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Confirmed Signing with Link: [TOR] Marner re-signs (6 years, $10.893M AAV) Part III

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Rants Mulliniks said:
You must be new to the Toronto market? It sells out every night regardless of who is there or how the team does.
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You do realize Rogers cares about TV ratings outside of the Toronto, right?

They have targets to meet and unsigned Marner isnt helping to achieve them.
 
Leaf Fans said:
Yes, the signing of Marner was a business decision. It was negotiated in good faith. "There's no way that stiffs in suits at Rogers and BCE would let Dubas start the season without him. They want butts in seats and TVs switched on, nothing else matters." This is wild speculation.
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Do you know the difference between speculation and a conspiracy? You know that the same people who own the Leafs, own the TV networks where their games are shown? And the cable companies that distribute TV?

Like, is this so hard to understand? If you own a TV station, you want to put the best product on TV. That's the furthest thing from a conspiracy.
 
BruinsBtn said:
Do you know the difference between speculation and a conspiracy? You know that the same people who own the Leafs, own the TV networks where their games are shown? And the cable companies that distribute TV?

Like, is this so hard to understand? If you own a TV station, you want to put the best product on TV. That's the furthest thing from a conspiracy.
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Yes, of course I know that. Do you know that teams have budgets and that GMs sign the players. And that there is no cabal of suits pulling the strings? Wild speculations lead to conspiracy theories. You do know that don't you?
 
Leaf Fans said:
Yes, of course I know that. Do you know that teams have budgets and that GMs sign the players. And that there is no cabal of suits pulling the strings? Wild speculations lead to conspiracy theories. You do know that don't you?
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Its called "owners"
 
Leaf Fans said:
Yes, of course I know that. Do you know that teams have budgets and that GMs sign the players. And that there is no cabal of suits pulling the strings? Wild speculations lead to conspiracy theories. You do know that don't you?
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Yeah because team ownership (which is bleeding money on at $5.2 billion contract) has no say. Welcome to the real world bud. This is a business.
 
lightstorm said:
You do realize Rogers cares about TV ratings outside of the Toronto, right?

They have targets to meet and unsigned Marner isnt helping to achieve them.
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garyturner3 said:
I apologize for not using more descriptive words for Kucherov then I guess? Yes, you're right, I do have a bias towards preferring young franchise centers and I explained why in my post. Which is why if ages are considered, I'd also choose Barkov and Eichel in addition to Matthews, McDavid and Mackinnon over Kucherov if I'm picking one player to start a franchise.
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Like talking to a stump sometimes. Have a good evening
 
BruinsBtn said:
Yeah because team ownership (which is bleeding money on at $5.2 billion contract) has no say. Welcome to the real world bud. This is a business.
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I have been in the real world. The rogers portion is bleeding money on their NHL deal which they out bid their BCE property TSN on The Leafs aren't bleeding money BCE isn't bleeding money. The Rogers portion is apparently bleeding money on their NHL (not the Leafs) TV deal.
 
Leaf Fans said:
I have been in the real world. The rogers portion is bleeding money on their NHL deal which they out bid their BCE property TSN on The Leafs aren't bleeding money BCE isn't bleeding money. The Rogers portion is apparently bleeding money on their NHL (not the Leafs) TV deal.
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Do you know what cable TV is? And did you know they're both in that business? And do you have any idea what their highest-rated shows are?
 
BruinsBtn said:
Do you know what cable TV is? And did you know they're both in that business? And do you have any idea what their highest-rated shows are?
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Yes, of course I know what cable tv is. Yes, I know that they are both in business. Do you know what their highest rated shows are. Do know that Rogers and BCE are diversified companies? Did you know that those subsidiaries have their on budgets. Did you know that Rogers is not losing money on the Leafs? Did you know that those companies would make more money if the Leafs make or advance in the playoffs? Did you know that those corporate suits had no impact in signing Marner and that this was done in good faith between the team and the player?
 
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Leaf Fans said:
Yes, of course I know what cable tv is. Yes, I know that they are both in business. Do you know what their highest rated shows are. Do know that Rogers and BCE are diversified companies? Did you know that those subsidiaries have their on budgets. Did you know that Rogers is not losing money on the Leafs? Did you know that those companies would make more money if the Leafs make or advance in the playoffs? Did you know that those corporate suits had no impact in signing Marner and that this was done in good faith between the team and the player?
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How naive.

But I'm just trying to throw Dubas a lifeline here. At least he'd have a leg to stand on if he was getting pressure from above. If not, yeesh.
 
Dache said:
Like talking to a stump sometimes. Have a good evening
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Seriously? You get bent all out of shape because I don't use descriptive enough phrases for your liking when talking about Kucherov and now you take a shot at me? I feel like I made my point pretty clear and responded to what you were whining about to clarify it even more. Luckily for you you won't have to talk to this stump anymore because you're not the type of person I'd prefer to waste my time with on here. Welcome to my ignore list and you have a good evening too.
 
BruinsBtn said:
But I'm just trying to throw Dubas a lifeline here. At least he'd have a leg to stand on if he was getting pressure from above. If not, yeesh.
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No, you're trying to claim that Dubas "overpaid" because team ownership cared about money over team quality and wouldn't let him do his job, which not only is there zero evidence for, there is mountains of evidence against.

Dubas paid that much because Marner was one of the best ELC players in the entire cap era, and better than anybody in this RFA class not named Matthews.
 
garyturner3 said:
Seriously? You get bent all out of shape because I don't use descriptive enough phrases for your liking when talking about Kucherov and now you take a shot at me? I feel like I made my point pretty clear and responded to what you were whining about to clarify it even more. Luckily for you you won't have to talk to this stump anymore because you're not the type of person I'd prefer to waste my time with on here. Welcome to my ignore list and you have a good evening too.
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You preferred to respond to that post so there’s that, and I’m not bent out of shape at all, but you use very flattering words to describe your player, but nothing to describe the player that’s been far superior the whole time Matthews has been in the league and expect no one to notice the bias? Come on now.
 
lightstorm said:
Point is, Marner knew all along that Dubas is going to fold.

There's no way that stiffs in suits at Rogers and BCE would let Dubas start the season without him. They want butts in seats and TVs switched on, nothing else matters.
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Unfortunately for your theory this isn't 15 years ago, its 2019, Shanahan is president and Dubas is his GM.
 
im happy with the Marner contract. its under 11M. slightly but still it is. kids a beast and even though I 100% believe his numbers were inflated with JT. he earned the contract and we are going to be treated every year of those 6years with him and JT together.
 
lightstorm said:
You do realize Rogers cares about TV ratings outside of the Toronto, right?

They have targets to meet and unsigned Marner isnt helping to achieve them.
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You honestly think fans outside of Toronto won't watch because Marner isn't there? We have watched far worse religiously for 50 years.
 
One of the main points of RFA status is to give teams the upper hand in negotiations with player who have not yet earned full free agent status. That arrangement allows teams to put together more competitive teams by paying less to RFA players and giving more cap space to sign UFAs. If, as a GM, you forfeit that advantage, you are a bad GM, not maximizing the cap assets.

What were Marner's options? Sit out? Let him sit, he won't be making any money and advancing his hockey career. Who suffers more, the Leafs or Marner? I bet it's the player. Sign an offer sheet? Sure, sign it. I have a hard time imagining an offer sheet with worse terms for the team, AAV and contract length. We saw what kind of offer sheets were being made with the Aho one. With a team so tight against the cap this year and in the next few, given how many players they would have to sign, even 1.5 million in cap space each year could make a huge difference.
 
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