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Weekes: [TOR] G Joseph Woll to sign extension 7/1 (3 years, $3.5-4M AAV)
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Gross.
I am not sure he’s a starter yet, atleast not without a starter to play behind for another season or two.
I am not sure he’s a starter yet, atleast not without a starter to play behind for another season or two.
Dumb if true.
I think Woll is good, and if he stays healthy can be really good, but he's the exact type of player you can really grind down on a contract.
Next to no track record, injury concerns, little leverage... you should be able to get him for 2 years at 2-2.5M. And for the Leafs over the next two seasons, every penny counts.
If you're giving him close to $4M, it should be a 5 year deal.
*Edit: Didn't realize this wouldn't kick in until after next season. That makes it better.
I think Woll is good, and if he stays healthy can be really good, but he's the exact type of player you can really grind down on a contract.
Next to no track record, injury concerns, little leverage... you should be able to get him for 2 years at 2-2.5M. And for the Leafs over the next two seasons, every penny counts.
If you're giving him close to $4M, it should be a 5 year deal.
*Edit: Didn't realize this wouldn't kick in until after next season. That makes it better.
HockeyVirus
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Only people doubting this are those who have no idea who he is and googled his stats IMO
Empoleon8771
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Giving Woll a $4 million AAV after he has played in 36 games in the NHL is....a choice, to put it lightly.
I think he's a solid goalie, but I really don't see why Toronto felt it necessary to give him this deal at this point. I feel like he could have had a good year playing 40 games next year and they could have gotten him to sign the same deal at that point.
I think he very likely ends up worth it, so it's not a problem, but I don't know why the Leafs felt it necessary to give him this deal right now.
I think he's a solid goalie, but I really don't see why Toronto felt it necessary to give him this deal at this point. I feel like he could have had a good year playing 40 games next year and they could have gotten him to sign the same deal at that point.
I think he very likely ends up worth it, so it's not a problem, but I don't know why the Leafs felt it necessary to give him this deal right now.
He had more of a record.
I think this is a little heavy?
Or I guess 92 million cap?
He's looked solid so far, and the contract has all the potential to work out well. But he has very little leverage and a small sample size. Every cap dollar counts.
HockeyVirus
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That is why they are locking him down for Samsonov money before he gets 1 year at arbitration of this exact contract or higher walking him to UFA next summer
PatLaFontaineASMR
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He's barely played any NHL games. Of course a lot of people aren't familiar with him.
He is injury prone & only has 30+ starts. That's definitley a gamble. Could be another Cal Petersen contract.
GoonieFace
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I don't know a ton about Woll, but my first thoughts were that this was a mistake...
Goalies are kind of voodoo, they have hot and cold stretches, I wouldn't want to give a goalie with such minimal NHL experience a 3 year deal at that kind of cap hit. Why not give him a 1 year @ 1mil one-way prove it deal or something like that? He really hasn't done much to deserve more based on his stat sheet.
Goalies are kind of voodoo, they have hot and cold stretches, I wouldn't want to give a goalie with such minimal NHL experience a 3 year deal at that kind of cap hit. Why not give him a 1 year @ 1mil one-way prove it deal or something like that? He really hasn't done much to deserve more based on his stat sheet.
Malkinstheman
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Most goalies nowadays become pumpkins, no matter how strong they started. This seems like too big of a commitment for a 40 game sample size.
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He's been pretty good when healthy, the problem is any time he gets on a roll he gets hurt. The talent is there though, look at his post season numbers over the 2 seasons he's played. Granted, we put him in when it was too late both times.
But it is risky when a guy who's 25 and already has a lot of injury history gets a 3 year deal. Like the guy pulled his back trying to make a diving save with 1 second left to try and keep the shut out vs the Bruins and missed game 7 for that.
I think people are going to be shocked at how much players cost this offseason.
Gonna be a LOT more than people expect.
What are the reports?
this, Zadorov wanting 6x6, Lindholm 8 mill+. Basically every report about negotiations has had VERY high AAVs.
Reinhart and Guentzel are 100% going to break 8 figures.
People forget just how much it costs to win UFA bidding wars.
Gonna be a LOT more than people expect.
What are the reports?
this, Zadorov wanting 6x6, Lindholm 8 mill+. Basically every report about negotiations has had VERY high AAVs.
Reinhart and Guentzel are 100% going to break 8 figures.
People forget just how much it costs to win UFA bidding wars.
HockeyVirus
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Woll is our Demko. Outstanding goalie, can he be healthy when we need him
Aashir Mallik
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He’s shown flashes of brilliance
Last year he was solid until he got hurt, and never got his footing back
He’s been money in the playoffs every time he’s played though. He has like a .933 though it’s only 7 games.
We are probably making a gamble, that next year he plays 40-45 games at 750k and then he becomes the 50-55 game started on this contract.
We also probably didn’t want to do 1 yr 1m because we have faith he can do the above, and so we’d have to pay upwards of 5 after that
I’m hesitant to be so sure that this is the best option myself, but I guess it’s a wait and see approach for now as a fan
AcerComputer
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I disagree. Feels like the contract Woll would get at the end of next year if all goes well for him. I don't see any savings here by signing him now. Cap should be like $2.5m-$3m x 3 to sign early - based on limited sample size and injury history.
HockeyVirus
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Yeah ok. Picture this. Woll puts up a .920 sv% and plays 40-45 games. He is our starter in the playoffs and finishes with a .925. He is 1 year from UFA with arbitration rights.
Pop quiz, which happens?
A) He takes a reasonable contract
B) He lets arbitration happen and gets award this contract or better and is walked to UFA
C) Our media the entire season starts saying Woll is looking for 6M and how the Leafs are screwed and need to give it too him?
It is a combination of C and B FYI
Zonk
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Maples Leafs Hot Stove has an interesting column on the pros and cons of signing Woll at this time. (On the "pro" side, Leafs are buying two UFA years.)
mapleleafshotstove.com
Report: Maple Leafs set to bet on Joseph Woll with three-year contract extension
According to Kevin Weekes, the Maple Leafs appear to be on the verge of investing $3.5-4 million AAV in a three-year contract extension for Joseph Woll, who, at age 26, has just 39 games of NHL experience. Woll is signed for one more season at a bargain $766k cap hit and would’ve been an RFA […]
mapleleafshotstove.com
