Proposal: Tor-Dal

[Mr Misty]

Have a look at their teams, Honka has been given all kinds of opportunity, Kapanen hasn't. Honka has been very impressive this year, Kapanen has also been very impressive now that he's playing in a scoring role - he was 11th in forward scoring on the Marlies last year and was still over .5ppg as a 19 year old. That's not blowing the doors off, but without ice time, line mates and pp time he wasn't in a position to put up big points

RHD value is a fair point

His inability to play a bigger role on his team is definitely a strength and not a weakness.

 

[beepeearr]

Have a look at their teams, Honka has been given all kinds of opportunity, Kapanen hasn't. Honka has been very impressive this year, Kapanen has also been very impressive now that he's playing in a scoring role - he was 11th in forward scoring on the Marlies last year and was still over .5ppg as a 19 year old. That's not blowing the doors off, but without ice time, line mates and pp time he wasn't in a position to put up big points

RHD value is a fair point

I would counter that Honka wasnt given anything, he earned it, and like I said he also did it as a 19yo too, just as a defenseman.

 

[Randy Randerson]

His inability to play a bigger role on his team is definitely a strength and not a weakness.

The leafs farm system is pretty deep, perhaps you've heard?

The team he was playing for was the Calder favourite all season, only one of the players ahead of him was a teenager and he's a top 10 prospect/among the leaders for the Calder trophy this year

It was a ridiculously deep team that he was playing on, had nothing to do with him. If he was able to take time from those guys, he would also be a top 10 prospect

 

[Randy Randerson]

I would counter that Honka wasnt given anything, he earned it, and like I said he also did it as a 19yo too, just as a defenseman.

That's fair, I'm not knocking Honka, just saying that there's more to Kapanen's production not being exceptional than meets the eye. He was thoroughly blocked by 10 older players who were more ready for the pro game and one top 10 prospect in Nylander

 

[Halla]

Statements like this are exactly why your opinion is false.


There's absolutely no way in hell Kapanen is a surefire Top 6 forward. The kid struggled a tonne when he was in the NHL for his brief stint and to this point he hasn't shown much in the AHL either.



Calling Honka a small offensive Dman is another example of why your opinion is false. He's 6"0 and almost 200 pounds. That's not small(Not big either, pretty average). He's also much more well rounded then you seem to think he is.



This is such a typical post from a Leafs fan. Your prospects are the ones to be surefire Top 6 players every single time despite not showing anything to suggest this is true. While the other teams prospect is filled with imaginary question marks to his game.

9 pts in 8 games this year as a 20 year old, the same age most players are rookies in the AHL.

20g,29a,49pts in 77 total games thus far. mostly as an 18-19year old junior aged player. hasnt shown much, lol. hilarious

 

[Mr Misty]

The leafs farm system is pretty deep, perhaps you've heard?

The team he was playing for was the Calder favourite all season, only one of the players ahead of him was a teenager and he's a top 10 prospect/among the leaders for the Calder trophy this year

It was a ridiculously deep team that he was playing on, had nothing to do with him. If he was able to take time from those guys, he would also be a top 10 prospect

I'm not interested in "what ifs," I don't have any time for people who round guys up to 20 or 30 goal scorers. He did, or he didn't; I suggest you stick to things that actually happened.

 

[Halla]

His inability to play a bigger role on his team is definitely a strength and not a weakness.

doesnt this apply to both guys?

 

[dechire]

The leafs farm system is pretty deep, perhaps you've heard?

The team he was playing for was the Calder favourite all season, only one of the players ahead of him was a teenager and he's a top 10 prospect/among the leaders for the Calder trophy this year

It was a ridiculously deep team that he was playing on, had nothing to do with him. If he was able to take time from those guys, he would also be a top 10 prospect

Did you know that the Texas Stars actually won the Calder Cup the season before Honka joined the team ? And yet he managed to establish a top role on that team.

 

[Halla]

maybe the leafs should go for a guy that isn't 5'10?
we already have carrick as a small RHD. I think they see what they have with Kapanen. in regards to niemi/lehtonen, if they dont wanna give up a decent piece to dump one of them (and no, oleksiak isnt that) then they can keep them and not have space to grab a fleury/bishop/halak.

 

[Randy Randerson]

I'm not interested in "what ifs," I don't have any time for people who round guys up to 20 or 30 goal scorers. He did, or he didn't; I suggest you stick to things that actually happened.

That's great that you're not interested in context, but as they say, data without context is meaningless

Kapanen is now a fixture on the Marlies, he's over ppg and the team is still favoured to win the Calder cup. So, those are things that are actually happening when he's getting opportunity

 

[dechire]

maybe the leafs should go for a guy that isn't 5'10?
we already have carrick as a small RHD. I think they see what they have with Kapanen. in regards to niemi/lehtonen, if they dont wanna give up a decent piece to dump one of them (and no, oleksiak isnt that) then they can keep them and not have space to grab a fleury/bishop/halak.

I realize that it's really difficult to spend 2 minutes googling a team's cap situation but Dallas is fine and can absolutely afford to sign Ben Bishop this summer. If they really wanted to make a deadline trade they could put Hemsky on LTIR for 4m since he's done for the season.

 

[Halla]

Did you know that the Texas Stars actually won the Calder Cup the season before Honka joined the team ? And yet he managed to establish a top role on that team.

yeah with stud prospects like fortunus and meech ahead of him, it is amazing they gave their top d prospect that much ice time!

 

[Mr Misty]

doesnt this apply to both guys?

Honka led the defense in scoring and was 7th on the team in points.

 

[dechire]

yeah with stud prospects like fortunus and meech ahead of him, it is amazing they gave their top d prospect that much ice time!

Or that John Klingberg guy if you're going to be posting random names

 

[Halla]

I realize that it's really difficult to spend 2 minutes googling a team's cap situation but Dallas is fine and can absolutely afford to sign Ben Bishop this summer. If they really wanted to make a deadline trade they could put Hemsky on LTIR for 4m since he's done for the season.

I wasnt referring to this summer. I was talking about soon. their goaltending is terrible. it only takes about 10 seconds to check the standings and see dallas with 3 wins in 9 games. pretty poor for a cup contender. are you seriously trying to suggest dallas is ok with 16-18M on goalies so they dont have to lose a prospect?

 

[Mr Misty]

That's great that you're not interested in context, but as they say, data without context is meaningless

Kapanen is now a fixture on the Marlies, he's over ppg and the team is still favoured to win the Calder cup. So, those are things that are actually happening when he's getting opportunity

In what way is being a 4th liner on a team evidence of accomplishment? Maybe if he was a 1st liner instead he'd have more points but he wasn't and he didn't. Nobody gets credit for all the opportunities they didn't get.

 

[Randy Randerson]

Did you know that the Texas Stars actually won the Calder Cup the season before Honka joined the team ? And yet he managed to establish a top role on that team.

It does not appear that's the case - he was the 3rd highest scoring defenseman on that team, and it went from 1st in the conference the year before to 5th in the conference

Also, not sure why that applies, he wasn't playing on the team when it was a 1st place team like the one that Kapanen was buried on. The Stars 1st place was 106pts, the Marlies last year were 114 as well

 

[Halla]

Or that John Klingberg guy if you're going to be posting random names

I decided to select guys that were only in the AHL more than 2 weeks

 

[Halla]

In what way is being a 4th liner on a team evidence of accomplishment? Maybe if he was a 1st liner instead he'd have more points but he wasn't and he didn't. Nobody gets credit for all the opportunities they didn't get.

Kapanen was never on the 4th line that I can remember. Clune and Soshnikov were the regular wingers. lets be honest you havent ever seen kapanen play in the AHL live or on tv right ?

pretty easy to pull stats off hockeydb and then say a junior aged player is struggling in the AHL

 

[Randy Randerson]

In what way is being a 4th liner on a team evidence of accomplishment? Maybe if he was a 1st liner instead he'd have more points but he wasn't and he didn't. Nobody gets credit for all the opportunities they didn't get.

still over .5ppg as a teenager in the AHL, good production

your position might have merit before this season started, he's tearing up the league as a fixture now that he has the opportunity, so if you want to tear him down for not doing anything without opportunity to then you have to give credit for doing very well when the opportunity presents itself. And if you don't, then you're only giving credit to the points that support your narrative

 

[dechire]

I wasnt referring to this summer. I was talking about soon. their goaltending is terrible. it only takes about 10 seconds to check the standings and see dallas with 3 wins in 9 games. pretty poor for a cup contender. are you seriously trying to suggest dallas is ok with 16-18M on goalies so they dont have to lose a prospect?

Goaltending isn't the problem so no they aren't looking to make a desperation move on that front. And as I said, Hemsky is out 5-6 months which puts his earliest return date during the post-season. His 4m is available if the Stars want to use it.

 

[Mr Misty]

Kapanen was never on the 4th line that I can remember. Clune and Soshnikov were the regular wingers. lets be honest you havent ever seen kapanen play in the AHL live or on tv right ?

pretty easy to pull stats off hockeydb and then say a junior aged player is struggling in the AHL

It wasn't me who said he was 11th on the team in points, I just assumed that if he was so good, he would be scoring in line with his icetime. If he isn't capable of that, it certainly strengthens his case.

 

[Halla]

It wasn't me who said he was 11th on the team in points, I just assumed that if he was so good, he would be scoring in line with his icetime. If he isn't capable of that, it certainly strengthens his case.

he played 44 games....kinda played in the world juniors and a bit in the NHL. maybe stop making assumptions about things you know nothing of?

by the way 6th in playoff team scoring, 4th among forwards...but that doesnt really help your cherrypicking of the stats does it?

 

[Raymoondo]

Leafs87 you're the reason why I ****in hate the Toronto Maple Leafs & there fans, this offer is the spitting image of a Toronto Maple Leafs fan trade offer, shut up & delete you're account you clown, Honka is gunna be an amazing 50 point D WATCH

Wow, managed to use the wrong word both times.

 

[Halla]

Goaltending isn't the problem so no they aren't looking to make a desperation move on that front. And as I said, Hemsky is out 5-6 months which puts his earliest return date during the post-season. His 4m is available if the Stars want to use it.

lehtonen has a .900sv%, niemi is at .893. Dallas could have nearly 6m space with hemsly on ltir, but if they were comfortable getting another goalie without moving one they would have done it already.