Confirmed with Link: [TOR/COL] F Denis Malgin for F Dryden Hunt

[Christ]

Ironically enough, Hunt for Malgin is what I do when I look at boxscores after each game...he turned out to be quite the elusive prey.

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At least he was consistent!

 

[Tarmore]

Seems like you're letting them off easy. A big part of their job is having the ability to see the potential that is there but hasn't been realized yet.
They got it wrong in this instance, it happens.

Monday morning QB syndrome. deal with the information available. Situations and people change, not really predictable or someone would have figured it out and made billions.

 

[ACC1224]

Monday morning QB syndrome. deal with the information available. Situations and people change, not really predictable or someone would have figured it out and made billions.

It's their job to know this stuff, using foresight they predict how players will perform within their roster/system. What is it you think they do, just hope for the best? There are only 32 of these jobs in the world, you have to give them a little credit for knowing what they are doing.

 

[Tarmore]

Reasonable takes for the most part and we’re mostly on the same page except the last paragraph.

Marchment for Malgin was a bad trade. I’d say I had no real feelings on Marchment at the time but never liked Malgin at all. Hindsight had made it even worse.

But evaluating what you get at the time doesn’t make sense. Dubas deserves real credit for Douglas for Timmins this year and did a great job with it because he traded a mystery box for another mystery box which is turning out to be a big prize with hindsight. If you took the same philosophy, he wouldn’t get credit for that trade?

Yes and no. I would give him credit for the trade an there were immediate benefits. If Timmons turns into a #1 dman in a couple of years, I don't give credit, for the trade. For the development yes, trade no

Just the way I do it. There are other ways.

It's their job to know this stuff, using foresight they predict how players will perform within their roster/system. What is it you think they do, just hope for the best? There are only 32 of these jobs in the world, you have to give them a little credit for knowing what they are doing.

I think they have more information and data than we dream of to make the decision. But it's not a formula.

I still maintain that if Marchment stays a Leaf no way he develops into the player he is today. Full marks to florida for sticking with it and obtaining the results.

 

[Dekes For Days]

There are a lot of concrete claims in this post for a guy who a) doesn't watch the Marlies, and b) doesn't post about prospects outside of the NHL whatsoever.

It's not even claims. It's just the undeniable facts of the situation. And you're wrong; I do watch the Marlies, and stay up to date with our prospects. In fact, the prospect thread is one of my favourite threads on this forum, because it's pretty much the only one that isn't primarily consumed by negativity, petty arguments, and people trying to create false narratives. It's mostly just information, and being excited about our prospects doing well.

You are all of a sudden very vocal about Marchment post-trade, when I can't recall one post of your's about his game with the Marlies.
Just referencing Marchment's age and 4 game sample size in the NHL as some mic drop analysis on a player's development is jokes.

Do you normally recall 4-year old posts by other users about mediocre AHLers? Of course I'm more vocal about him post-trade, because people started misrepresenting what he was and the entire situation. My assessment of what Marchment was and his development was accurate. He had shown small bits of growth over his 4 years with the organization, but that still only resulted in a mediocre AHLer who had largely stagnated, who didn't look very good in his short time in the NHL, who was approaching UFA status, and who was at an age where further significant development was extremely unlikely.

It's not even like Florida saw it any differently. They were desperate for depth, and still immediately sent him to the AHL. And the next year, he was a healthy scratch half the time.
And if you go back to the trade thread on here, there were barely any posts because he was so irrelevant that nobody cared, but the overwhelming consensus in that trade thread from those who did post was who cares, he sucks.

There are certainly some people here who are suddenly very vocal contradicting their earlier stance, but it's not me.

 

[Brad C]

I would have rather traded for Helen Hunt

She would be on the PA looking for Mike Hunt

''Anybody seen Mike Hunt"

 

[SeaOfBlue]

To me this is a who cares trade .. 2 crap players with different 4th line styles .. da bigger issue was BRUTAL trade of Mason for Malgin to begin with .. if you watched enough Marlie games like I did back then it was freakin obvious .. but with Dubie eye test means very little clearly .. oh well it was overall BRUTAL but you have to expect this from non hockey guys

You clearly did not watch Marlies games if you thought Marchment was a good player... He was mediocre at his peak. His skating was not going to be anywhere close to good enough for our system.

Good for him for figuring it out in Florida, but that doesn't change the fact that he was a nothing prospect here and Malgin had a lot more potential to turn into something. Which is not too dissimilar to the McKegg-Hyman trade. Or even Douglas-Timmins for that matter. I am guessing you didn't like either of those either, or do you only like the trades that work out? You must love that we got Hunt, since we got the Marchment/McKegg player in the deal this time.

I am making that Marchment-Malgin trade again, just like I would make the McKegg-Hyman and Douglas-Timmins trades again. So far, we are 3/3 in getting guys who can take an everyday shift in the NHL out of those trades, and only one guy we have sent back can say the same... So if, for example, CBJ wanted to do Bemstrom for McMann, I'd do that trade too. Maybe we can go 4/4, and McMann seems like the kind of guy who would thrive in Columbus.

 

[ACC1224]

Yes and no. I would give him credit for the trade an there were immediate benefits. If Timmons turns into a #1 dman in a couple of years, I don't give credit, for the trade. For the development yes, trade no

Just the way I do it. There are other ways.


I think they have more information and data than we dream of to make the decision. But it's not a formula.

I still maintain that if Marchment stays a Leaf no way he develops into the player he is today. Full marks to florida for sticking with it and obtaining the results.

They definitely have much more insight than we do as fans, it's all part of their job.

 

[IPS]

I prefer to give Dale Tallon credit for demonstrating some excellent foresight on a B level prospect. Something our GM couldn't do. Isn't the whole point of assessing prospects being able to foresee what they can become, not judging them as the player they currently are? Who gives a f*** if Marchment wasn't a good player at the particular moment they traded him.

But I guess it's better to just say the player wasn't any good and the Panthers won the trade on blind luck. Some folks just can't seem to grasp this being a results-based business.

 

[Knies iT]

You clearly did not watch Marlies games if you thought Marchment was a good player... He was mediocre at his peak. His skating was not going to be anywhere close to good enough for our system.

Good for him for figuring it out in Florida, but that doesn't change the fact that he was a nothing prospect here and Malgin had a lot more potential to turn into something. Which is not too dissimilar to the McKegg-Hyman trade. Or even Douglas-Timmins for that matter. I am guessing you didn't like either of those either, or do you only like the trades that work out? You must love that we got Hunt, since we got the Marchment/McKegg player in the deal this time.

I am making that Marchment-Malgin trade again, just like I would make the McKegg-Hyman and Douglas-Timmins trades again. So far, we are 3/3 in getting guys who can take an everyday shift in the NHL out of those trades, and only one guy we have sent back can say the same... So if, for example, CBJ wanted to do Bemstrom for McMann, I'd do that trade too. Maybe we can go 4/4, and McMann seems like the kind of guy who would thrive in Columbus.

Wasn't Marchment supposed to turn into a "pumpkin" this year?

 

[SeaOfBlue]

Wasn't Marchment supposed to turn into a "pumpkin" this year?

He was supposed to. He is doing okay. Not as well as he did last year and is still going through a lot of hot and cold streaks. When he is hot, he is dominant. When he is not, he looks like a healthy scratch candidate. He is marginally out producing our shutdown guys at ES and isn't doing a lot on the PP, so he is not exactly blowing the roof off of things overall considering he is being deployed in very favorable situations.

He also turns into a pumpkin in the playoffs so that will need to change.

 

[crump]

Hunt will wear #20. Mason Marchment’s number comes full circle. Some other greats that have worn #20. Ed Belfour, Mike Johnson (you know he’ll mention it) Bob Pulford, Nick Ritchie, Riley Nash, David Steckle, Christian Hanson, Frank Corrado, David Booth.

 

[notDatsyuk]

No, but again, if we go with reductio ad absurdum, it was a non NHLer for an NHLer, but proven as a terrible trade with hindsight.

Let's use another example, but a positive example this time so it doesn't upset anyone. Dubas traded Douglas for Timmins which was pretty much a nothing burger non NHLer for barely NHLer. Recent hindsight has proven this trade to be an early win with very big NHL upside for the Leafs and Dubas. Is this trade inadmissible as a success? Or is this a massive W? Similar scenario to Malgin-Marchment, but the results are the underpinnings changing because of favorable results for our team?

I already used reductio ad absurdum to suggest we should have gotten Oskar Olausson (a non NHLer) for Malgin (an NHLer). I don't think that trade, or Rask for Raycroft, needs hindsight.

At the moment, Marchment for Malgin looks like a loss for us, and Douglas for Timmins looks like a win for us. I just think it's too early to apply hindsight on either.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

It's rare that I would prefer to lose a guy on waivers but in this case I would have preferred if they had clared a contract slot.

 

[notDatsyuk]

Hunt will wear #20. Mason Marchment’s number comes full circle. Some other greats that have worn #20. Ed Belfour, Mike Johnson (you know he’ll mention it) Bob Pulford, Nick Ritchie, Riley Nash, David Steckle, Christian Hanson, Frank Corrado, David Booth.

"Greats"? I recognize Balfour and Pulford, but who did those other names play for?

 

[saltming]

I know it was sold that way, but did anyone really believe it?

I don't think anyone who watch Rask in the Jr's thought it was good

 

[Its not your fault]

I would have liked to just open the roster spot rather than taking on Hunt. I'll admit I dont know much of anything about Hunt.

They did that a few days ago.

 

[diceman934]

Can he play RW?

We need a LW and an upgrade in our bottom 6. He can fill one of those spots.

 

[therealkoho]

Boomer is not used as a demographic description anymore. It's a pejorative term "denoting not young and enlightened" and used by the young and stupid.

concise, I like it

 

[therealkoho]

I know it was sold that way, but did anyone really believe it?

they should have believed it because that's exactly what he was

 

[Nhlpowerweek]

This seems like a loss to give Malgin a fresh start.

Dryden Hunt is basically another ZAR. Low skill but good defensively and hits.

Hunt also cant score from nowhere.... seen him play this season and he plays very very hard. But cant finish at all and doesnt get the bounces ether..... He should pray more and do good because something is treally off.

 

[therealkoho]

Reasonable takes for the most part and we’re mostly on the same page except the last paragraph.

Marchment for Malgin was a bad trade. I’d say I had no real feelings on Marchment at the time but never liked Malgin at all. Hindsight had made it even worse.

But evaluating what you get at the time doesn’t make sense. Dubas deserves real credit for Douglas for Timmins this year and did a great job with it because he traded a mystery box for another mystery box which is turning out to be a big prize with hindsight. If you took the same philosophy, he wouldn’t get credit for that trade?

The Marlie Calder run could've been called the Marchment Express, he might not have burned up the scoresheet but he did score some very important goals and was on the ice for a bunch more. Something must've happened that made the Leafs sour on him because Keefe loved him, ohok I get it now

 

[rimshot]

Hunt will wear #20. Mason Marchment’s number comes full circle. Some other greats that have worn #20. Ed Belfour, Mike Johnson (you know he’ll mention it) Bob Pulford, Nick Ritchie, Riley Nash, David Steckle, Christian Hanson, Frank Corrado, David Booth.

Not a single skater worthy of donning Pulford's old number. Eddie the Eagle was worthy but goalies are a breed apart.

 

[DarkKnight]

I guess you could say this, Malgin turned out to be exactly the same as his first stint with the Leafs. A tweener that didn’t fit and couldn’t gel, skilled but hard to see as a playoff regular. My only criticism then, Dubas thinking it would be different this time.

 

[Gallagbi]

We need a LW and an upgrade in our bottom 6. He can fill one of those spots.

You thinking he bumps ZAR? I cant see ZAR moving up the lineup and Engvall, Kerf both looked like better 3rd line options - especially with them as PKers