Confirmed with Link: [TOR/COL] F Denis Malgin for F Dryden Hunt

[The Iceman]

I think what might have happened is that Sakic no matter how hard he tried couldn't find a 5'6" 153pounder in his system, so instead resorted to offering his only sub 200 pound guy. Nothing really to do with any sociological divisions that exist in western society.

That said little guys do not beat big guys with any regularity in physical contests. It's just one of those things.

Cogliano says hi​

 

[LeafChief]

It's funny to see which posters are taking offense to the weird 'boomer' tweet.

 

[Gallagbi]

There's the spin I was looking for...

Its funny, i had the exact same thought the second I read your prior post on Marchment.

Edit - Seems to be getting worse with your Rask/Raycroft comparison

 

[Larcos_Unal]

Dubas knew Marchment would be good and would command a salary around $4.5M, so he traded him for Malgin, then traded him for Hunt to keep the cap hit at a minimum. Dubas is playing 4D chess you guys just haven't caught up, this is cap management 101.

 

[Menzinger]

100% correct.

Many Leaf fans wished Leafs management put MORE thought into their player personnel decisions.

Maybe Mason Marchment for Denis Malgin trade doesn't happen, if management could evaluate talent better and realize there is little value in acquiring a soft small 5-9 175 lbs player. Malgin has been a lightening rod for GM criticism ever since that very lopsided trade.

Remember after losing to TB last year, Leafs bringing in Denis Malgin and Adam Gaudette and Nicolas Aube-Kubel and selling that as rebuilding the bottom 6 replacing the likes of Jason Spezza, Ondrej Kase, Colin Blackwell and others departing etc was designed for team improvement,

So it does appear the fan base has a better grasp on talent level and impact than the GM does at times. That is why there is so much debate questioning questionable decisions.

Why do you think the most recent cup winning GM went out of his way to trade for him?

 

[kb]

Why do you think the most recent cup winning GM went out of his way to trade for him?

Sometimes.....when a poster is blinded by bias, they can't see they are decisively proving the opposite of their argument

 

[notDatsyuk]

Twelve pages about a trade of a marginal fourth liner with marginally better offence for a marginal fourth liner with marginally better defence.

Have we hit the midsummer doldrums already?

 

[Stephen]

Its funny, i had the exact same thought the second I read your prior post on Marchment.

Edit - Seems to be getting worse with your Rask/Raycroft comparison

What’s the spin on Marchment? Did we lose massive value in that or trade or not?
Was it an error in evaluation or not? Why is hindsight admissible in the Rask trade but not the Marchment trade?

 

[Stephen]

Why do you think the most recent cup winning GM went out of his way to trade for him?

You know, it would actually be really entertaining to see what would happen if Denis Malgin emerged as a Martin St Louis for Colorado just for the chaos of it.

I will go on record to say I absolve Dubas of all blame if that happened. I was not a fan of the player, and didn’t think trading him for Hunt today was a bad move.

But it would be interesting to see what others had to say, if they feel vindicated in the Marchment-Malgin conversation, only to have Malgin-Hunt happen. It would just be funny.

 

[notDatsyuk]

What’s the spin on Marchment? Did we lose massive value in that or trade or not?
Was it an error in evaluation or not? Why is hindsight admissible in the Rask trade but not the Marchment trade?

I don't think hindsight was necessary in the Rask trade. Anyone who watched the World Juniors could tell he was much better than Pogge. The only possible rationalization was that Pogge was Canadian, and there would have been negative press if he had been traded. The fact that he traded a good young player for an older declining one is a separate issue, which didn't need hindsight to call either.

Marchment may turn out to be the better player, but beyond size there wasn't much to differentiate between them at the time, so hindsight is/will be the way to call it.

 

[Mess]

Why do you think the most recent cup winning GM went out of his way to trade for him?

Why the Maple Leafs traded Denis Malgin for Dryden Hunt​

Toronto Maple Leafs' head coach Sheldon Keefe speaks about new left winger Dryden Hunt and discusses what he brings to the team after being traded from the Colorado Avalanche for centre Denis Malgin.

Desperate to fill a gaping second-line left wing hole, preferably for cheap, Malgin was given a legitimate shot to use his best attributes in Toronto, even winning a contentious roster spot over homegrown prospect Nick Robertson coming out of training camp. The man whose name comes up as a search error on HockeyFights.com was a long shot to refashion Toronto’s bottom six. But maybe Malgin’s offence could translate six time zones to the west and he could play third fiddle to a pair of the Maple Leafs’ elite.

Well, in his unceremonious final appearance as a Leaf, Malgin was a dash-2 in Saturday’s 5-2 loss to Washington, despite skating a season-high 15:30 alongside Mitch Marner and John Tavares — two stars who’ve made careers out of elevating those in their orbit. Malgin, 25, leaves Toronto (again) on a 12-game point drought and a 17-game goal drought. He registered two goals and two assists while appearing in 23 of the Leafs’ 32 games.

Enter Dryden Hunt, a pure fourth-line left wing who knows his job.

“Guy that plays hard. Pretty simple game. Physical and competitive,” Leafs coach Sheldon Keefe told reporters. “Not a lot has happened for him offensively in the NHL, but he has scored at the AHL level. Protects the puck well. To that end, brings a little different element to the depth of the team.". “It’s just a different type of player,” Keefe said of the trade. “We’re just trying to change up the depth of our team a little bit here.”

This is a depth move that could give Toronto’s fourth line some bite and flexibility.

But, like Malgin, Hunt doesn’t fill the top-six vacancy.

Why the Maple Leafs traded Denis Malgin for Dryden Hunt (and why another move is coming)

By beating the midnight holiday trade freeze and trading Malgin to the Colorado Avalanche for Dryden Hunt Monday, Dubas has completed another smart but minor deal.

www.sportsnet.ca

 

[Stephen]

It's funny to see which posters are taking offense to the weird 'boomer' tweet.

If there is such thing as a boomer approved 4th liner and a generation divide over a marginal player type who hits, I’m not understanding why the a new guard fanbase would be so happy about the GM acquiring such a player at the expense of skill. The original dunk made no sense. I’m not even a boomer by a long shot.

 

[Stephen]

I don't think hindsight was necessary in the Rask trade. Anyone who watched the World Juniors could tell he was much better than Pogge. The only possible rationalization was that Pogge was Canadian, and there would have been negative press if he had been traded. The fact that he traded a good young player for an older declining one is a separate issue, which didn't need hindsight to call either.

Marchment may turn out to be the better player, but beyond size there wasn't much to differentiate between them at the time, so hindsight is/will be the way to call it.

Hindsight shows that Marchment for Malgin was an error. The fact that there was a thought process that went into it or a risk assessment or talent evaluation at the time doesn't change that. Just like the extreme example of Rask for Raycroft.

But today's trade is really a standalone trade of 4th liners to give the team a different toolset.

 

[Mess]

There's the spin I was looking for...

1) Hunt for Malgin is a marginal trade which may fit our needs better going forward. It's uncontroversial with a some modest upside and is fine.

2) Malgin for Marchment was a massive L for the Leafs despite a lot of post rationalization. It's been dissected to death and has nothing to do with Hunt.

3) If we ever traded Kerfoot, it would have nothing to do with Kadri either. There's no continuation.

Since the Malgin for Marchment trade.

Malgin .. 31 games 2 goals 2 assists 4 points 6 Pims & -4 +/-
vs
Marchment 119 games 29 goals 47 assists 76 points 115 Pims + 34 +/-

The Marchment for Malgin trade a virtual wash statistically

I like the Malgin for Hunt trade, because Hunt plays with a backbone and willing to hit and check and good 4th line depth player, previously claimed on waivers by Avs.

Better fit for 4th line limited duty.

 

[Ciao]

Preferable to potentially losing Malgin on waivers for no return? This ultimately feels like a 'meh' transaction.

This is the only thing I can think of to rationalize this trade.

I could imagine Malgin being sent down and possibly claimed on waivers.

I really can't imagine what Dryden Hunt possibly brings to the Leafs. Don't they already have at least 14 or 15 better forwards?

Wouldn't another contract slot that could have been cleared by Malgin being claimed off waivers be better than picking up this schlep?

I really don't get it.

 

[notDatsyuk]

Hindsight shows that Marchment for Malgin was an error. The fact that there was a thought process that went into it or a risk assessment or talent evaluation at the time doesn't change that. Just like the extreme example of Rask for Raycroft.

But today's trade is really a standalone trade of 4th liners to give the team a different toolset.

I think you missed my point. Hindsight wasn't needed to know that Rask for Raycroft was bad.

Hindsight was or will be needed for Marchment/Malgin (I'm not sure that's definitive yet).

 

[Stephen]

I think you missed my point. Hindsight wasn't needed to know that Rask for Raycroft was bad.

Hindsight was or will be needed for Marchment/Malgin (I'm not sure that's definitive yet).

Yeah, the Rask for Raycroft looked bad the moment it was made, but it was a non NHL asset for an NHL asset as was the common defense on Marchment for Malgin. Once you factor in hindsight, the winners and losers becomes pretty obvious.

 

[Buds17]

This is the only thing I can think of to rationalize this trade.

I could imagine Malgin being sent down and possibly claimed on waivers.

I really can't imagine what Dryden Hunt possibly brings to the Leafs. Don't they already have at least 14 or 15 better forwards?

Wouldn't another contract slot that could have been cleared by Malgin being claimed off waivers be better than picking up this schlep?

I really don't get it.

I figure each team to envision somewhat of a purpose for its newest acquisition here. Due to injuries (COL) and pending UFA status (TOR) though, it seems fair to question just how much and for how long of a time that'll end up being? It's likely a bonus if this ultimately works out to be anything more than an exchange of lower in the lineup/depth options between contending teams.

 

[bossram]

It says as much as Arizona bailing on Conor Timmins in the midst of a Bedard tank campaign only for him to be a near PPG defensemen after a half dozen games.

Trades happen in pursuit of different fits, but nice try.

Your reasoning actually makes sense. Arizona doesn't want good players short-term to ruin the tank. Good thing they dealt him.

One of the things it could say is that an offense minded forward is what they need over a defense first forward.

That's actually a problem if this is Dubas' thinking.

 

[Leaf Fans]

That's actually a problem if this is Dubas' thinking.

Well, clearly it is from Colorado's point of view based on the post I quoted.

 

[rojac]

It's funny to see which posters are taking offense to the weird 'boomer' tweet.

I take a small amount of offense at the tweet. In general, I don‘t like the use of a demographic label like “boomer” to represent a mindset that may or may not applies to members of that demographic. Surely, there is a better way to label people with the mindset in question.

 

[rocketman588]

Trade is fine imo

Only way we lose it it if we waive Hunt ( unless he has already cleared) and he gets picked up

 

[DraftSchmaft]

Flipping offensive 5th liners for defensive 4th liners is a win in my books.

 

[Gilmour1996]

Perhaps Hunt insures that Simmonds has played his last game as a Leaf. Send Simmonds down. If he won't report to Marlies, suspend him and void his contract.

 

[Jacquestrapless]

Trade is fine imo

Only way we lose it it if we waive Hunt ( unless he has already cleared) and he gets picked up

And gain another contract slot.