Proposal: Tor - Clb

[Leaf19]

There's a lot of hyperbole in this thread, should be fun to look back at in a few years

How about both teams stick with what we have and move on? No deal to be made here.

 

[WTFMAN99]

Nylander and JVR both have value, but I'd prefer Werenski and Jenner. D are harder to find than small wingers. As for JVR and Jenner, both are talented, both have the ability to score 30, it just comes down to preference. All 4 players have good value, no one listed here is garbage. Just doesn't make sense for CBJ IMO.

Nylander is 6'0 and plays centre (all the time in the AHL and NHL last year) and is just moving to wing this year due to our depth at centre now and Babcock wants him to break in there.

Just thought I'd point that out since there a subtle jab made, centres like Nylander who have first line C potential have great value on the market I'd imagine.

 

[Sundinisagod]

Nylander for Werenski straight up is worth consideration from both sides. Both players drafted 8th overall just one year apart. Nylander with an extra year of development is a bit safer. The RHD thing is overblown since both Rielly and Werenski do just fine on their 'wrong' side.

 

[CBJWerenski8]

Nylander for Werenski straight up is worth consideration from both sides. Both players drafted 8th overall just one year apart. Nylander with an extra year of development is a bit safer. The RHD thing is overblown since both Rielly and Werenski do just fine on their 'wrong' side.

No its not. Nylander is a fine prospect, value might be fair, but we need defenseman.

 

[Menzinger]

Value fine for Toronto, but would have zero interest in that trade.

I think it's foolish for the Leafs to trade any of their bluechip guys - particularly a centre like Nylander.

 

[JohnnyJacket13]

Nylander for Werenski in a vacuum is fair.

But in the Jackets case, I would prefer Werenski just because he stabilizes their future blue line, and also we have Dubois coming up, with Wennberg, Jenner and Dubinsky already at C.

 

[Menzinger]

Nylander for Werenski in a vacuum is fair.

But in the Jackets case, I would prefer Werenski just because he stabilizes their future blue line, and also we have Dubois coming up, with Wennberg, Jenner and Dubinsky already at C.

Which is totally understandable.

The same goes with me and Nylander - I see him giving the Leafs an excellent centre core once he and Matthews hit their primes.

 

[7even]

To be fair, Jenner hasn't done it consistently and JvR has. But that's different than "it doesn't happen".

That's a big qualifier.

 

[AvroArrow]

Both teams say no. Leafs need a strong veteran presence. And Willie may be our 2C or 1st line RW for the next decade. Love Werenski, but after seeing what Nylander has been able to do at every level thus far i would be unwilling to move him. Value is there imo, but since JVR is close to being a UFA i can see why some posters feel it favors Tor. But either way i would pass.

 

[Soups On]

Strictly in terms of value, I think it's fair. But like many have said, don't see either team doing it.

 

[Pyrophorus]

Jenner doesn't pass, nor play make

#CyYoung

 

[Makar Goes Fast]

toronto says yes, columbus says toronto needs to add

 

[DrTucker]

Value is pretty close, maybe a small add for Toronto, but it would only be a small add. As A leaf fan I would prefer Jenner over JVR, but not so much as to blow a ton of assets to acquire him.

 

[Cynick]

I'd take Nylander over Werenski and Jenner over JVR (really like JVR but Jenner is a building block-type player on any team). I think the value is probably there, depending on how much you value each individual player (they're all very good/going to be very good) but I would keep/take Columbus' players by a hair or two.

 

[bobg1]

Nylander and Werenski is probably a wash - Columbus has some good defenseman in their system as it is and can afford to part with him if it did land them a potential #1C

However Jenner and JVR isn't all that close, as much as I really do like JVR, he's got 2 years left, Jenner is RFA still after his contract and is younger and therefore does hold more value.

Yes because JVR is more valuable than Jenner. These comments of yours are inanely untrue

 

[EscapeGoat]

And Toronto would have to add more. Quite a bit more IMO.

Yeah agreed, Leafs would have to add Lupul I think.

 

[Danger boy]

I'd add a hot dog to that deal!!

 

[PG Canuck]

Not sure how many forwards CBJ needs. They might value Werenski more because he plays D.

 

[stevo61]

Not sure how many forwards CBJ needs. They might value Werenski more because he plays D.

Yeah management rushed things before and it fell flat so now the focus turned to building the D and then add the forwards. Youth and skill, they could possibly go into next season with their oldest top 4 defender being 25. I doubt Werenski displaces JJ right off the bat but through the season I think he will make it interesting

 

[indigobuffalo]

Terrible for both teams. IMO CBJ gets the better value but they just dealt a major piece last year to acquire a top-end defensive prospect, and are still pretty weak on the backend.

Werenski is a hugely important piece to the CBJ organization.

They don't really need that package.

And including Jenner seems wildly unnecessary. Leafs have ample forward prospects. Seems like a "and I'll also take that player I really like" type add-on for no good reason.

Lastly, Toronto needs to give Nylander time to establish himself. He needs to establish that he's a legit NHLer at his age/draft valuation.

Other teams are just treating him like a dud prospect that Leaf fans are trying to unload rather than giving him the respect he deserves as a top prospect.

 

[PG Canuck]

Yeah management rushed things before and it fell flat so now the focus turned to building the D and then add the forwards. Youth and skill, they could possibly go into next season with their oldest top 4 defender being 25. I doubt Werenski displaces JJ right off the bat but through the season I think he will make it interesting

With the addition of PLB in the system and some pretty good younger forwards already producing, I don't think it's absolutely necessary.

As you said, they seem to be build from the defense onward this time.

 

[Jackets16]

To Toronto:
Zach Werenski
Boone Jenner

To Columbus:
William Nylander
James van Riemsdyk

As a Columbus fan, no thank you.

 

[WTFMAN99]

Yes because JVR is more valuable than Jenner. These comments of yours are inanely untrue

Your ability to comprehend what I wrote boggles my mind.

 

[Leon Draisaitl]

leafs fans saying no

 

[leaflover]

leafs fans saying no

I'm one of them. Toronto is still in the beginning of the rebuild and despite nice looking potential they have no idea what they really have. This is a development and assessment season and next year may just be another one. I'm more interested in identifying where the team is at first, afterwards you can make adjustments based on knowledge rather than assumptions.
I absolutely love Jenner, and Werenski's potential, like some Leafs prospects looks wonderful, but just like them nobody knows for sure. So the value is probably quite good, unfortunately the timing isn't right yet
I guess I have more patience than most here and I'm not scared to take more time and make sure things are right.