Proposal: TOR - CHI

[Mrfenn92]

Prefer Chiarot over DeHaan, that said…we could talk Connor Murphy.

No issue with that at all. Not sure they’ll listen on Murphy or not. But who the heck knows.

 

[dj Mahoney]

Not sure if the Leafs would actually trade Knies right now (or in that deal). I suspect a more likely outcome would be something along the lines of:

-Connor Murphy
- Fleury @50%

- 2022 1st
- 2023 2nd (becomes 2023 1st if the Leafs make the finals this year, or if they make the semis and Fleury plays at least 50% of the games)
- Mrazek
- Dahlstrom
- Steeves, Abrusseze, Hirvonen, or Abramov

Pass Hawks dont need these scrubs !

 

[ClydeLee]

Pass Hawks dont need these scrubs !

Ya crazy, this offer is way too much from the Leafs. Trading for goalies at the deadlines is not a recipe for success, if they give a 1st plus, and just cheap bodies to fill they're in the money

 

[Space umpire]

I'm sure there are... but call me crazy, I just don't see him garnering at first round pick even with 50% retention.

Maybe I'm wrong and he does, but that doesn't mean it makes sense for Dubas to blow that 1st round pick on a pure-rental goalie.

It’s not just a pure rental. They gain cap AND dump Mrazek for 2 years of over payment.
Add a 5th round pick and Dermott or Holl and take deHaan. Use him as a 5, moving to the top 4 late to protect leads. Don’t overplay him and he will be a help.

 

[Dr Danglefest]

Don't believe that the Leafs would give up a "Chicago choice" of picks; as it would potentially handicap them for 2 years. Also don't see them "dipping into" next year's pool of picks on a Fleury deal. I'd also question whether the Leafs a prepared to burn their 1st on the goal-tending position.

That being said, the premise of Mrazek+ for Fleury at 50% makes a lot of sense. Leafs keep their Muzzin cap flexibility, get to push the reset button on the Mrazek signing; while Chicago gets a mediocre goalie for 2 years at a mediocre price.

I think if anything, a deal probably looks more like Toronto's 2nd 2022 and Travis Dermott as the plus; or that 2nd+ a non-Niemla/Knies/Robertson prospect...or maybe it's Toronto's 1st, but they get a 3rd back, or you put together something bigger where the Leafs get 2 of Hagel/Murphy/Fleury

why would the Hawks trade a piece that has good value for a cap dump with term, an OK Dman and a 2nd? I’m not seeing it

 

[Weltschmerz]

Y'know who Toronto's Goalies will be this post-season?

Jack Campbell & Peter Mrazek.

And we all can‘t wait to watch it.

 

[dj Mahoney]

Ya crazy, this offer is way too much from the Leafs. Trading for goalies at the deadlines is not a recipe for success, if they give a 1st plus, and just cheap bodies to fill they're in the money

Yes an every day goalie ,FLEURY generational !! 5 final appearances ,3 Stanley Cups 1st pick overall ,fresh off a VEZINA . Dubas doesn't have a leg to stand on . The Leafs are an embarassment with all the losing and up to 4 or 5 teams are in the running for Fleury. And I included Murphy who would also fit a huge need.

 

[seanlinden]

Pass Hawks dont need these scrubs !

The only difference between the deal I suggested and the deal you suggested is Knies vs. the 2023 1st/2nd conditional + an additional prospect.

 

[Just a Fan]

The only difference between the deal I suggested and the deal you suggested is Knies vs. the 2023 1st/2nd conditional + an additional prospect.

I’d move the 1st before Knies if possible

 

[seanlinden]

It’s not just a pure rental. They gain cap AND dump Mrazek for 2 years of over payment.
Add a 5th round pick and Dermott or Holl and take deHaan. Use him as a 5, moving to the top 4 late to protect leads. Don’t overplay him and he will be a help.

Honestly... come the offseason if the Leafs want to rid themselves of Mrazek, they'll be able to at minimal cost, maybe even get something for him depending on how the goalie market shakes out.

The removal of Mrazek doesn't all of a sudden change Fleury's value to a 1st.

 

[FerrisRox]

To Toronto

Fleury with 50% retention (3.5M)

To Chicago

1st rounder (2022 or 2023 CHI choice), 3rd rounder 2024, Mrazek (3.8M)

Seems fair.

The only issue is that Chicago would obviously prefer a deal where they don't have to take a player like Mrazek back.

This offer could be beaten by a team that doesn't saddle Chicago with a player like Mrazek.

 

[dj Mahoney]

Honestly... come the offseason if the Leafs want to rid themselves of Mrazek, they'll be able to at minimal cost, maybe even get something for him depending on how the goalie market shakes out.

The removal of Mrazek doesn't all of a sudden change Fleury's value to a 1st.

Teams are lined up to grab FLEURY .

 

[WTFMAN99]

I get MAF is desired but anyone could have had him in the off-season for basically nothing, I don`t see the 1st price tag. Maybe a 2nd but yea it`ll likely involve a bit of $$ going to Chicago.

 

[seanlinden]

why would the Hawks trade a piece that has good value for a cap dump with term, an OK Dman and a 2nd? I’m not seeing it

Because getting a 2nd, plus a reasonably young roster defenceman that can contribute today is pretty good value for a rental goalie.

As for Mrazek, not a ton of value either way, but the Hawks, who have 0 goalies under contract next year; could certainly use a tandem goalie... maybe 2 depending on how they feel about Lankinen/Soderblom.

It's not like the free agent market is flush with guys that are worthy of a tandem spot in the NHL. You could certainly argue that the hawks are better off taking Mrazek for 2 years, than investing 3+ on Koskinen, Koprisalo, Francouz, Jones or Holtby.

 

[seanlinden]

Seems fair.

The only issue is that Chicago would obviously prefer a deal where they don't have to take a player like Mrazek back.

This offer could be beaten by a team that doesn't saddle Chicago with a player like Mrazek.

Not so sure about that.

Chicago is going to have to get somebody to play goal for them next year. They aren't going to be high on Darcy Kuemper, Pavel Francouz', or even Marc Andre Fleury's list.

There aren't really any goalies out there today on the UFA market that a team like Chicago should be building around... and if all of the mediocre guys on the market want 3+ year deals to go to Chicago, then Mrazek could be an ideal option given that he doesn't have 3 years worth of commitment.

I'm not saying Mrazek has any sort of material value, but he's probably a better option than shopping in UFA for the Hawks.

 

[seanlinden]

Teams are lined up to grab FLEURY .

That there might be -- I just don't see him being the best use of a team's 1st round pick.

 

[Mrfenn92]

Not so sure about that.

Chicago is going to have to get somebody to play goal for them next year. They aren't going to be high on Darcy Kuemper, Pavel Francouz', or even Marc Andre Fleury's list.

There aren't really any goalies out there today on the UFA market that a team like Chicago should be building around... and if all of the mediocre guys on the market want 3+ year deals to go to Chicago, then Mrazek could be an ideal option given that he doesn't have 3 years worth of commitment.

I'm not saying Mrazek has any sort of material value, but he's probably a better option than shopping in UFA for the Hawks.

All depends on what direction Chicago goes franchise wise.

 

[seanlinden]

I get MAF is desired but anyone could have had him in the off-season for basically nothing, I don`t see the 1st price tag. Maybe a 2nd but yea it`ll likely involve a bit of $$ going to Chicago.

To be fair, clearing the $7m required to get him from Vegas is a lot more of a monumental task (for most good teams) than clearing the $3.5m at the deadline. That, combined with injuries, poor play, etc. means there are certainly more suitors for him approaching the deadline than there was in the offseason.

On the flip side though, most teams in the market to trade their 1st round pick (good teams) probably aren't looking for a #1 goalie; they probably view Fleury as a backup / #1b, and it's hard to justify a 1st round pick for a rental backup.

 

[seanlinden]

All depends on what direction Chicago goes franchise wise.

Seems pretty clear to me that they're in the midst of a not-all-the-way-in rebuild. I don't think even they hold a ton of hope for being in the playoffs next year.

That being said, even if they weren't on the rebuilding train, who's better than Mrazek that they're going to get to play goal for them next year? and is that goalie somebody that they're really going to want around in 2-3 years?

 

[Drumman44]

What about the following? Fleury is a rental, Hagel is on a steal of a contract for this season and the next two. Murphy would be a long term add but could swap for De Haan if you don’t want to add long term cap (obviously would swap Knies for someone else in that case)


Fleury (retained)
Murphy
Hagel


2022 1st
2023 2nd
Knies
Mrazek

 

[seanlinden]

What about the following? Fleury is a rental, Hagel is on a steal of a contract for this season and the next two. Murphy would be a long term add but could swap for De Haan if you don’t want to add long term cap (obviously would swap Knies for someone else in that case)


Fleury (retained)
Murphy
Hagel


2022 1st
2022 2nd
Knies
Mrazek

I'd think the Leafs would certainly jump on that, although I'd imagine the preference would be to trade Robertson over Knies if Hagel is coming the other way. Leaves Toronto with no real spot to integrate Robertson (who needs to play) and Knies is still a longer term project.

 

[Mrfenn92]

Seems pretty clear to me that they're in the midst of a not-all-the-way-in rebuild. I don't think even they hold a ton of hope for being in the playoffs next year.

That being said, even if they weren't on the rebuilding train, who's better than Mrazek that they're going to get to play goal for them next year? and is that goalie somebody that they're really going to want around in 2-3 years?

I have no issue with the op’s deal. Taking mrazek while not ideal is the cost of this trade. As far as finding a goalie for the next few years they would be able to. Still a starting spot for plenty of guys.

 

[Just a Fan]

What about the following? Fleury is a rental, Hagel is on a steal of a contract for this season and the next two. Murphy would be a long term add but could swap for De Haan if you don’t want to add long term cap (obviously would swap Knies for someone else in that case)


Fleury (retained)
Murphy
Hagel


2022 1st
2023 2nd
Knies
Mrazek

I’d be down as a Leafs fan.

 

[seanlinden]

I have no issue with the op’s deal. Taking mrazek while not ideal is the cost of this trade. As far as finding a goalie for the next few years they would be able to. Still a starting spot for plenty of guys.

Honestly, I don't think it's a factor at all -- I think Mrazek might actually be slightly appealing to Chicago.

I don't think anyone on the UFA market this year (other than maybe Campbell) is somebody you want to "hitch onto" for a 3+ year deal. Getting Mrazek for the next 2 and removing the pressure to get a guy with a large quantity of NHL experience before UFA may be appealing.

It's not like they're near the cap, if the Hawks can line up a trade for their future / long term #1 goalie, Mrazek doesn't get in the way of doing that.

 

[Mrfenn92]

Honestly, I don't think it's a factor at all -- I think Mrazek might actually be slightly appealing to Chicago.

I don't think anyone on the UFA market this year (other than maybe Campbell) is somebody you want to "hitch onto" for a 3+ year deal. Getting Mrazek for the next 2 and removing the pressure to get a guy with a large quantity of NHL experience before UFA may be appealing.

It's not like they're near the cap, if the Hawks can line up a trade for their future / long term #1 goalie, Mrazek doesn't get in the way of doing that.

Fair enough