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Confirmed with Link: [TOR/CBJ] TOR acquire Riley Nash for Conditional. 7th Pick in 2022

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BoredBrandonPridham said:
A person saying we have $5m in space would be referring to Andersen’s LTIR relief. But Leafs need to plan to activate Andersen off LTIR before the playoffs start, thus we can’t exactly acquire roster players to make use of that space.

Not including Andersen’s LTIR relief, we have $1.5m in deadline cap space that we can use to upgrade our roster.
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Okay. So only way to get that 5+ mill space is to have Andersen not get medically cleared and out for season thus remaining on LTIR.

There has been nothing indicated by team that Andersen is done for the year, so I see that as unlikely.

The other way would be to trade him or Kerfoot (3.5) to get some space?

For some reason I feel the team will still give Andersen a shot to get the net back (if he can), I don't see them putting him on LTIR for season if he can legit come back, and they won't trade him because they probably arent confident in the market and also locker room morale.

What do you think?
 
MattySnipes said:
Okay. So only way to get that 5+ mill space is to have Andersen not get medically cleared and out for season thus remaining on LTIR.

There has been nothing indicated by team that Andersen is done for the year, so I see that as unlikely.

The other way would be to trade him or Kerfoot (3.5) to get some space?

For some reason I feel the team will still give Andersen a shot to get the net back (if he can), I don't see them putting him on LTIR for season if he can legit come back, and they won't trade him because they probably arent confident in the market and also locker room morale.

What do you think?
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I honestly see no purpose to try and get Andy back in the starters net. There’s no previous playoff success that he can his hat on, nor is there any future salary commitment to him passed this season.
I just don’t see why with the way JC has played thus far that barring some crazy collapse should Andy be back in the starters crease ever again.
 
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MattySnipes said:
Okay. So only way to get that 5+ mill space is to have Andersen not get medically cleared and out for season thus remaining on LTIR.

There has been nothing indicated by team that Andersen is done for the year, so I see that as unlikely.

The other way would be to trade him or Kerfoot (3.5) to get some space?

For some reason I feel the team will still give Andersen a shot to get the net back (if he can), I don't see them putting him on LTIR for season if he can legit come back, and they won't trade him because they probably arent confident in the market and also locker room morale.

What do you think?
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what are you going on about????????????

they can keep Fred on LTIR till the reg season ends and then he can play when/if healthy,,there is no cap in the POs
 
This thread is a nice example of how something cool can go viral and suddenly grow spider legs. We all know we didn't acquire something entertaining, controversial or sexy like Hall, but this board is so heady, we know, that this is another example of the depth of present day Dubas.

I looked up Riley Nash on hockey db and hmmm, this guy had an nice offensive season not too long ago. Scored 17 goals in the regular season, in 2017.

His picture? Guy looks like a raw boned Confederate soldier, not much of a smile there, much more like a snarl. And man, do we ever need snarl in the playoffs.

Another interesting fact about him, good along the boards as well, bit feisty, but takes next to no penalties, very disciplined.

Dubas and Pridham held up another team , thanks to their financial power.

Lets look at where he went to school, Cornell, and his point totals.

This guy has something in that stick besides defence. He just knows that his greatest way to stick around as long as he can, is to be a complete shutdown. Centerman.

Dubie, the man with a plan.
 
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zeke said:
Somebody translate this into trade dollars plz.
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theyre just packing more $$ on the LTIR for the playoff run when a cap doesnt exist. Tampa is doing the same thing with Kuch (holding out til playoffs), thats a free 10m on the cap.

You put Andy/Nash on the LTIR you open 7ish mil so that brings an elite body in and you hold them out til playoffs and can be re-added come playoff time.

People think Andy might return before PO but if him staying out til then gets us a body like Hall, i would assume he'd stay off til the playoffs.
 
AllDay28 said:
theyre just packing more $$ on the LTIR for the playoff run when a cap doesnt exist. Tampa is doing the same thing with Kuch (holding out til playoffs), thats a free 10m on the cap.

You put Andy/Nash on the LTIR you open 7ish mil so that brings an elite body in and you hold them out til playoffs and can be re-added come playoff time.

People think Andy might return before PO but if him staying out til then gets us a body like Hall, i would assume he'd stay off til the playoffs.
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Exact amount they can take on in trade right now plz.
 
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zeke said:
Exact amount they can take on in trade right now plz.
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It's $5M if Andersen stays out until the playoffs start. Nash's LTIR doesn't help at all. If anything it makes things very slightly worse, because the Leafs apparently had room before they recalled Marincin, and they could have been banking that space to have slightly more projected on Monday (but this is like a few thousand dollars so whatever).
 
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Ya I see a lot of people confused but this trade didn't give the Leafs any extra cap space. They do currently have 5m in extra space due to Andersen being on LTIR, but they can only add someone into that space if Andersen is out until the playoffs, which we have no idea will be the case as of now. I can see the Leafs wanting to bring him back beforehand and get him into a few games because we may need him at some point in the playoffs with Campbell's recurring injuries and lack of experience overall. I'd imagine they think Andersen's injury is responsible for his really poor play this season considering how long he's been out for already
 
Cap'n Flavour said:
It's $5M if Andersen stays out until the playoffs start. Nash's LTIR doesn't help at all. If anything it makes things very slightly worse, because the Leafs apparently had room before they recalled Marincin, and they could have been banking that space to have slightly more projected on Monday (but this is like a few thousand dollars so whatever).
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No way Anderson stays out if he's healthy. He's a UFA at the end of the season and unless he has an agreement to return to the Leafs, his priority would be to get back in the net to try and impove his stock for his contract this summer. He wouldn't sit on LTIR if healthy just to help the Leafs, as nice as that would be. There would be an immediate complaint to the NHLPA.
 
Quares27 said:
Ya I see a lot of people confused but this trade didn't give the Leafs any extra cap space. They do currently have 5m in extra space due to Andersen being on LTIR, but they can only add someone into that space if Andersen is out until the playoffs, which we have no idea will be the case as of now. I can see the Leafs wanting to bring him back beforehand and get him into a few games because we may need him at some point in the playoffs with Campbell's recurring injuries and lack of experience overall. I'd imagine they think Andersen's injury is responsible for his really poor play this season considering how long he's been out for already
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Pretty sure it's 7.5m of cap space currently with both Anderson and Riley now on LTIR. When Anderson comes back that amount drops to 2.5m.
 
MattySnipes said:
Okay. So only way to get that 5+ mill space is to have Andersen not get medically cleared and out for season thus remaining on LTIR.

There has been nothing indicated by team that Andersen is done for the year, so I see that as unlikely.

The other way would be to trade him or Kerfoot (3.5) to get some space?

For some reason I feel the team will still give Andersen a shot to get the net back (if he can), I don't see them putting him on LTIR for season if he can legit come back, and they won't trade him because they probably arent confident in the market and also locker room morale.

What do you think?
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I could see Kerfoot moved for a forward upgrade that fills his capspace. Andersen isn’t being moved without a backup/1B option coming back, and I certainly don’t think he’s injured for the season.
 
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bpower said:
Pretty sure it's 7.5m of cap space currently with both Anderson and Riley now on LTIR. When Anderson comes back that amount drops to 2.5m.
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There's no extra 2.5M for Nash. That LTIR room is being used for Nash himself. And it's 2.75M, not 2.5.



Since then, they placed Nash on LTIR and got 2.75M more room, but that just sends the available space back to 5M, not 7.75.

Jimmy Firecracker said:
As long as Tampa exists and is hiding Kucherov no team will match their cap shenanigans.
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I mean it's not really shenanigans unless you think Kucherov's totally healthy now and keeping himself out of play. Otherwise, they're literally using LTIR for exactly what it's meant for - acquiring a player (or more) to replace the injured one.

If you mean the part about having daily salary totals way in excess of the nominal cap by the end of the season, well, ask the league about that.
 
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Cap'n Flavour said:
There's no extra 2.5M for Nash. That LTIR room is being used for Nash himself. And it's 2.75M, not 2.5.



Since then, they placed Nash on LTIR and got 2.75M more room, but that just sends the available space back to 5M, not 7.75.



I mean it's not really shenanigans unless you think Kucherov's totally healthy now and keeping himself out of play. Otherwise, they're literally using LTIR for exactly what it's meant for - acquiring a player (or more) to replace the injured one.

If you mean the part about having daily salary totals way in excess of the nominal cap by the end of the season, well, ask the league about that.
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You're wrong. At that time Nash had not been placed on the LTIR yet. Now he has, freeing up his cap hit as well.

Also, I was rounding.

 
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