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[PromisedLand]

I am technically right. Leafs have not announced Freddy out for the season. So the space we have available to use for the remainder of the season does not include Freddy’s space.

negotiations are on going with the doctor to provide a medical note that Freddy cannot play till after the end of the season

Also, Freddie is being told "bud, your stats are not that great for the season, you are a pending UFA; if you hold out till the end of the season; in the negotiations as a UFA you can say you were injured and to look at other season's stats and exclude this season's stats for a better payday"

 

[Isaac Nootin]

This "strategy" only makes sense if they are looking for a goalie.... I don't think they are looking for a goalie

Exactly.

Imagine willingly going into the rest of the season and playoffs with Jack Campbell and Hutchinson as your goaltending depth. Especially considering Campbell's history of injury.

 

[BoredBrandonPridham]

Ya Andersen’s injury won’t be announced before the TDL, weakens their negotiating position

If one is negotiating a trade that would make it impossible for them to activate Andersen off LTIR, i think one does not have a negotiating position they think they do.

 

[The Podium]

If one is negotiating a trade that would make it impossible for them to activate Andersen off LTIR, i think one does not have a negotiating position they think they do.

Unless Andersen is fully capable of coming back at some point but since he is already on LTIR there is no obligation to take him off. If a deal for a goalie falls through - activate Andy when he’s ready. If the deal goes through, keep him on LTIR until the season is over.

 

[PromisedLand]

I will be busy tomorrow between 11 am and 2 pm so won't be able to frequently check the boards; any rumous of any new deals for the Leafs? checked twitter it is freakin' crickets

 

[Wafflewhipper]

Freddy isn’t out for the season. When he gets healthy, Leafs have to re-activate him. They won’t be using that $5m of space, sorry to tell you. But you can dream!

How does conditioning assignment work when they send Andersen to the Marlies. What I’m asking is can they activate him straight to the Marlies for a conditioning stint. I think they can send him for a full two weeks correct? There is 1 month left in the season as of tomorrow.

 

[BoredBrandonPridham]

since he is already on LTIR there is no obligation to take him off

There is obligation to take him off. If he is fit to play, you are obligated to activate him off LTIR.

 

[Wafflewhipper]

Exactly.

Imagine willingly going into the rest of the season and playoffs with Jack Campbell and Hutchinson as your goaltending depth. Especially considering Campbell's history of injury.

They need a goalie bad. Both could have reoccurring injuries in the playoffs. Boom done.

 

[Brobust]

I will be busy tomorrow between 11 am and 2 pm so won't be able to frequently check the boards; any rumous of any new deals for the Leafs? checked twitter it is freakin' crickets

The leafs haven't been attached to anyone for a while now.

We'll see what happens.

 

[saltming]

I will be busy tomorrow between 11 am and 2 pm so won't be able to frequently check the boards; any rumous of any new deals for the Leafs? checked twitter it is freakin' crickets

Lou might have started it but Dubas is now the master of the cone of silence

 

[The Podium]

There is obligation to take him off. If he is fit to play, you are obligated to activate him off LTIR.

Riiiight, Kucherov has been practicing for 2 months because he is unfit to play.

 

[Eternal Leaf]

I will be busy tomorrow between 11 am and 2 pm so won't be able to frequently check the boards; any rumous of any new deals for the Leafs? checked twitter it is freakin' crickets

NRD said the Leafs are serious about getting Hall. He's pretty reliable as an insider.



I think they are likely waiting to see what happens here before looking at plan B (whatever that is).

 

[Wafflewhipper]

This is exactly correct. Leafs saying something makes it a fact. You know what they haven’t said? That Freddy is out for the season.

You know what that means? We can’t presume to use the cap space that he fills.

So factually speaking, the Leafs do not have that cap space to use yet, until they learn and announce otherwise.

Think of it this way. If someone says “Hey guys how much cap can we use at the deadline?”, the answer shouldn’t just involve trading a player away and say you can’t prove it won’t happen. Like I can’t say that Leafs have an extra $3.5m to use because hey they could trade Kerfoot. It’s assumed that the capspace you have to use is based on what you know, not based on what is not factual and especially highly unlikely.

The trades they make will answer everyone

 

[saltming]

NRD said the Leafs are serious about getting Hall. He's pretty reliable as an insider.



I think they are likely waiting to see what happens here before looking at plan B (whatever that is).

I'm not sold on Hall. Is he what he is now or just lacking motivation for the past 4 seasons?

 

[BoredBrandonPridham]

Riiiight, Kucherov has been practicing for 2 months because he is unfit to play.

He got actual surgery. Andersen has been day to day for a couple of weeks. Not even close to comparable.

 

[The Podium]

He got actual surgery. Andersen has been day to day for a couple of weeks. Not even close to comparable.

There are mountains of evidence regarding activating players off LTIR only when convenient. Not to mention with soft tissue injuries there is always a vague timeline and nothing quantifiable that a doctor can use to say the player is ready to go. This isnt a broken bone where a doctor knows 4-6 weeks always. With that said, Andersen might actually be out the rest of the season.

 

[Eternal Leaf]

I'm not sold on Hall. Is he what he is now or just lacking motivation for the past 4 seasons?

I think the overall effect will be good.

You slot Hall in the top 6 and move Hyman down to the third line.

Things in favor of Hall are that he doesn't mind forechecking (it's a natural part of his playstyle), he's a natural left winger, and he can skate well.

Things going against him are of course his current performance, lack of winning, and a general inclination to go into spurts of improv where he breaks away from the team's system to do his own thing (think of Marner's brain fades but with a shoot-first mentality).

At the right price, I think he's a good option and will fit in nicely. But that lack of playoff experience is a bit of a blind spot that can go either way.

 

[Isaac Nootin]

He got actual surgery. Andersen has been day to day for a couple of weeks. Not even close to comparable.

Would you find it weird if Kucherov is miraculously back exactly in time for Game 1 of the playoffs?

 

[sxvnert]

NRD said the Leafs are serious about getting Hall. He's pretty reliable as an insider.



I think they are likely waiting to see what happens here before looking at plan B (whatever that is).

If we could get him on the cheap (3rd + B prospect) otherwise I would pass.

 

[saltming]

I think the overall effect will be good.

You slot Hall in the top 6 and move Hyman down to the third line.

Things in favor of Hall are that he doesn't mind forechecking (it's a natural part of his playstyle), he's a natural left winger, and he can skate well.

Things going against him are of course his current performance, lack of winning, and a general inclination to go into spurts of improv where he breaks away from the team's system to do his own thing (think of Marner's brain fades but with a shoot-first mentality).

At the right price, I think he's a good option and will fit in nicely. But that lack of playoff experience is a bit of a blind spot that can go either way.

Fair analysis.
My worries are
1) on the top line does his shoot first mentality throw off the balance of that line? A shooter will look to get into position for the shot whereas a pure forechecker like Hyman disrupts the defensive setup and allows the shooter to find spots easier.
2) as you said his spurts of improv. Whereas mariners improv is withing the line chemistry, Hall as as a shooter might create disharmony in that line.
Seeing Galy on that line last night though makes me think it could work, but then I also think adding Hall to the 3rd line would seriously tilt favor of matchups in out favor and allow him to regain some confidence playing against lesser compitition

 

[TheScandal89]

I think the overall effect will be good.

You slot Hall in the top 6 and move Hyman down to the third line.

Things in favor of Hall are that he doesn't mind forechecking (it's a natural part of his playstyle), he's a natural left winger, and he can skate well.

Things going against him are of course his current performance, lack of winning, and a general inclination to go into spurts of improv where he breaks away from the team's system to do his own thing (think of Marner's brain fades but with a shoot-first mentality).

At the right price, I think he's a good option and will fit in nicely. But that lack of playoff experience is a bit of a blind spot that can go either way.

Assuming Kerfoot has to be moved, I prefer this over Hyman to third line.

Galchenyuk - Matthews - Marner
Hall - Tavares - Hyman
Mikheyev - Spezza - Nylander
Thornton - Engvall - Simmonds

I put Engvall on the 4th line because Spezza, Simmonds and Thornton together are waaaaaay to slow. I think we need a 3rd centre still. You could but Nash in the 4th line for playoffs, but idk if your going to scratch Simmonds or Thornton.

 

[Leafsfan74]

I think the overall effect will be good.

You slot Hall in the top 6 and move Hyman down to the third line.

Things in favor of Hall are that he doesn't mind forechecking (it's a natural part of his playstyle), he's a natural left winger, and he can skate well.

Things going against him are of course his current performance, lack of winning, and a general inclination to go into spurts of improv where he breaks away from the team's system to do his own thing (think of Marner's brain fades but with a shoot-first mentality).

At the right price, I think he's a good option and will fit in nicely. But that lack of playoff experience is a bit of a blind spot that can go either way.

If Leafs pick up Hall, it will be the first trade I disagree with Dubas on.

I see how it could work from a line structure standpoint, I have just never viewed Hall as a Gamer. Once the playoffs start, you're going to need the most relentless "refuse to lose" players in your lineup.

Leafs have the most difficult element in place on their top two lines, goal scoring, chemistry and system adherence. They found some character in the offseason. Why not continue on what they added that has worked so well for them this season?

 

[conFABulator]

If Leafs pick up Hall, it will be the first trade I disagree with Dubas on.

I see how it could work from a line structure standpoint, I have just never viewed Hall as a Gamer. Once the playoffs start, you're going to need the most relentless "refuse to lose" players in your lineup.

Leafs have the most difficult element in place on their top two lines, goal scoring, chemistry and system adherence. They found some character in the offseason. Why not continue on what they added that has worked so well for them this season?

That's a fair point and a concern. My first thought was how could we be opposed to a trade before we even know what we had to give up? But there is an opportunity cost here...whoever we acquire will impact whoever else we acquire...if anyone at all...we only have so many spots in the lineup, so much trade currency, and so much cap space...so acquiring Hall would likely be our only significant forward addition and I too want us to get someone with a track record of driver, determination and playoff wars...having said that, you have to think that Hall knows this is the year he has to show he can raise his game in crunch time...the question is can he do it? A motivated Hall on a discounted price is still attractive and intriguing to me.

 

[saltming]

That's a fair point and a concern. My first thought was how could we be opposed to a trade before we even know what we had to give up? But there is an opportunity cost here...whoever we acquire will impact whoever else we acquire...if anyone at all...we only have so many spots in the lineup, so much trade currency, and so much cap space...so acquiring Hall would likely be our only significant forward addition and I too want us to get someone with a track record of driver, determination and playoff wars...having said that, you have to think that Hall knows this is the year he has to show he can raise his game in crunch time...the question is can he do it? A motivated Hall on a discounted price is still attractive and intriguing to me.

I think we acquired a player like that in Nash and I'm thinking, hoping that it's the focus on any player we get for the playoff push

 

[conFABulator]

I think we acquired a player like that in Nash and I'm thinking, hoping that it's the focus on any player we get for the playoff push

Me too (thinking Nash is that type and a shrewd move)....and this is a Nash thread, so thanks for turning this back there. As for what we add next, and I believe we will...I think we need to focus on fit, both in the room and in the line-up and I think we need motivated guys that add to our compete-level...Nash is this. Hall is hopefully this.