Confirmed Trade: [TOR/ANA] Bernier to Anaheim for conditional 2017 pick

[Nizdizzle]

More or less.

Bernier gets out of Babcock's sight; the Leafs pay half his salary; and the Ducks take all his cap hit.

Everyone is happy.

From the foot of Bay St., the rest is all gravy.

The future considerations will probably be a seventh-round draft pick or something better, if and when the Ducks ever have a seventh to send over. The futures almost don't matter.

Soooo.... No, we don't know.

 

[Sempiternal]

Underrated goalie.

 

[Bleedred]

Underrated goalie.

I don't think he's underrated, but he certainly isn't the worst goaltender in the world like some Leafs fans make him out to be. I'd certainly rather keep him as a backup than have Garret Sparks, who was abysmal last year and is either not ready for the NHL or might not ever be NHL material.

There were certainly worst goaltenders than him last year and certainly way worse Leafs goaltenders over the last decade than him. The monster 5 hole scrub Gustavsson, Raycroft's bone dust and I'm probably forgetting one or two more. Even Reimer had a worst season there than Bernier last year (11-12) and was pretty much even in 14-15 with Bernier's 15-16 season.

Some people act like he's Anders Lindback.

 

[TMLeafs18]

Bernier will probably rebound and be awesome for the ducks just like reimer was for the Sharks. Then people will come on here ripping the leafs saying we messed up by getting rid of them. I can already see it now. Happy for him because a fresh start in a good situation. Also very happy the leafs don't retain and show the most confidence in Anderson by moving away any competition. Solid move for both clubs.

 

[varano]

do we know what the damn conditions are yet for hte pick

There are no conditions and no pick. He was supposed to be traded in the andersen deal but was owed bonuses that Anaheim didn't want to pay. Instead they waited for the leafs to pay it and now were trading him for nothing.

I wouldn't be surprised if its a 7th round pick in 2032 under the condition that by year end, he learns who nelson mandela is....

 

[The Winter Soldier]

Note, The Anaheim Ducks do not have their 6th or 7th rd picks in the 2017 draft.

* However, Ducks are going to get an unresolved conditional 2nd rd pick from the Leafs from the Anderson trade this draft. I doubt Bernier would retrieve that 2nd rd pick back.

But they do have 3rd-5th rd picks left. My guess is the conditional pick is as high as a 3rd rd pick, and as low as a 5th rd pick.

A 3rd rd pick would cancel out the Babcock compensation pick the Leafs will give to Detroit.

 

[Drew311]

Underrated goalie.

Yeah now that he doesn't play for Toronto. Yesterday morning he was considered a heap of trash on these boards.

 

[varano]

Note, The Anaheim Ducks do not have their 6th or 7th rd picks in the 2017 draft.

* However, Ducks are going to get an unresolved conditional 2nd rd pick from the Leafs from the Anderson trade this draft. I doubt Bernier would retrieve that 2nd rd pick back.

But they do have 3rd-5th rd picks left. My guess is the conditional pick is as high as a 3rd rd pick, and as low as a 5th rd pick.

A 3rd rd pick would cancel out the Babcock compensation pick the Leafs will give to Detroit.

What?? no...see my post above. The pick is nothing.

 

[MacerV]

What?? no...see my post above. The pick is nothing.

There are no conditions and no pick. He was supposed to be traded in the andersen deal but was owed bonuses that Anaheim didn't want to pay. Instead they waited for the leafs to pay it and now were trading him for nothing.

I wouldn't be surprised if its a 7th round pick in 2032 under the condition that by year end, he learns who nelson mandela is....

I fail to see your source.

 

[Confucius]

There are no conditions and no pick. He was supposed to be traded in the andersen deal but was owed bonuses that Anaheim didn't want to pay. Instead they waited for the leafs to pay it and now were trading him for nothing.

I wouldn't be surprised if its a 7th round pick in 2032 under the condition that by year end, he learns who nelson mandela is....

definition of an expert: someone who knows more and more about less and less. Bernier is an expert...

 

[uncleben]

What?? no...see my post above. The pick is nothing.

Yours is simply a conjecture, and a biased one at that.
There is no reason to suggest his return is "nothing".

Anaheim does not have a 6th or 7th round pick in 2017 and the pick was specified for the 2017 draft, so, as the trade stands, you cannot 1) say it is a 7th round pick in 2032 or w/e 2) say its anything less than a 5th.

 

[TheGroceryStick]

Yours is simply a conjecture, and a biased one at that.
There is no reason to suggest his return is "nothing".

Anaheim does not have a 6th or 7th round pick in 2017 and the pick was specified for the 2017 draft, so, as the trade stands, you cannot 1) say it is a 7th round pick in 2032 or w/e 2) say its anything less than a 5th.

The cond. Can be unreachable. Which make chances nil.
Bernier playing 60 games for example, with 5 as cond.
Everyone knows it wont be met, but you can't gift a player.

 

[Poignant Discussion*]

What?? no...see my post above. The pick is nothing.

And what in your post is anything but speculation?

 

[WTFMAN99]

Yours is simply a conjecture, and a biased one at that.
There is no reason to suggest his return is "nothing".

Anaheim does not have a 6th or 7th round pick in 2017 and the pick was specified for the 2017 draft, so, as the trade stands, you cannot 1) say it is a 7th round pick in 2032 or w/e 2) say its anything less than a 5th.

The cond. Can be unreachable. Which make chances nil.
Bernier playing 60 games for example, with 5 as cond.
Everyone knows it wont be met, but you can't gift a player.

5th could be the base and if certain parameters are met, it is upgraded...

 

[Poochie_D]

Ok so the Leafs retain 50 percent. I don't know how I missed that yesterday. Makes a little more sense.

 

[sxvnert]

The condition is likely an improbable target. 70 games played or cup win with Bernier playing X amount games.

 

[sxvnert]

Ok so the Leafs retain 50 percent. I don't know how I missed that yesterday. Makes a little more sense.

They didn't. Leafs paid the 2m bonus but the Ducks take on the entire $4,150,000 cap.

 

[CdnFan]

Anyone else find the timing of this curious?

Seems like they would have gotten more value mid season or at trade deadline....so why now?

Have to assume Lou is eying an addition to the roster that is going to increase the cap hit.

Any guesses?

 

[uncleben]

The cond. Can be unreachable. Which make chances nil.
Bernier playing 60 games for example, with 5 as cond.
Everyone knows it wont be met, but you can't gift a player.

5th could be the base and if certain parameters are met, it is upgraded...

Exactly, WTFMAN. Maybe it's unreachable (but that'd be a very bad trade for Toronto, poor asset management).
Maybe the conditional pick is a 2nd rounder.

We don't know. To suggest we know, and to decide that its going to be nothing is wrong.

Ok so the Leafs retain 50 percent. I don't know how I missed that yesterday. Makes a little more sense.

not quite. by paying his July 1 bonus, they effectively have already paid 50% of his salary for the year, but ANA still takes on 100% of the cap hit.

Anyone else find the timing of this curious?

Seems like they would have gotten more value mid season or at trade deadline....so why now?

Have to assume Lou is eying an addition to the roster that is going to increase the cap hit.

Any guesses?

i think the timing is certainly questionable, and the trade is frankly unnecessary at this time.

 

[Ziggdiezan]

I hope a cheap UFA goalie is signed. Would be silly to give up assets at this point for a backup on a rebuilding team. But this does look like Lou has his eyes on a trade or a signing as there is some cap space now.

 

[MastuhNinks]

I don't think he's underrated, but he certainly isn't the worst goaltender in the world like some Leafs fans make him out to be. I'd certainly rather keep him as a backup than have Garret Sparks, who was abysmal last year and is either not ready for the NHL or might not ever be NHL material.

There were certainly worst goaltenders than him last year and certainly way worse Leafs goaltenders over the last decade than him. The monster 5 hole scrub Gustavsson, Raycroft's bone dust and I'm probably forgetting one or two more. Even Reimer had a worst season there than Bernier last year (11-12) and was pretty much even in 14-15 with Bernier's 15-16 season.

Some people act like he's Anders Lindback.

He has more talent than a lot of bad goalies, he could still put it together and be a decent goaltender but he has the uncanny ability to put his team in a hole early. He had a run where he gave up a soft goal in the first 5 minutes of every game for what felt like a couple months. He would play decent after that, but the team was always trailing early which takes its toll. Bernier is far from the worst goaltender Leafs fans have watched in the past couple years but he is probably the most frustrating.

 

[Liferleafer]

Exactly, WTFMAN. Maybe it's unreachable (but that'd be a very bad trade for Toronto, poor asset management).
Maybe the conditional pick is a 2nd rounder.

We don't know. To suggest we know, and to decide that its going to be nothing is wrong.



not quite. by paying his July 1 bonus, they effectively have already paid 50% of his salary for the year, but ANA still takes on 100% of the cap hit.



i think the timing is certainly questionable, and the trade is frankly unnecessary at this time.

I think the Lou just wants it to be known who our 1G is...no questions...no debate. We will sink or swim with Andersen. For to long it's been an internal debate between Reimer/Scrivens...then Reimer/Bernier. There is no longer any debate.

 

[Michel Beauchamp]

It's not the .920 average.

It's the times he looks like he couldn't stop a 2-4 sliding across the ice through the five-hole.

You know: the game-breaking soft goals from centre ice and all. It makes the whole team jittery.

Thanks,

I did not realize that, duh.

 

[Michel Beauchamp]

And what in your post is anything but speculation?

His post was sarcasm/humor.

If you can't see that...

 

[Coatsy79]

I had hoped Bernier was the solution and at times he looked great

Certainly won't miss the .950% one night .850 the next though

Even though he and Andersen share similar seeming save % I'm hoping Andersen is more consistent