Value of: Top 6 scoring winger to the Leafs

[Canuck Luck]

Proposed this before and some leafs fans have accepted it:

jt miller at 50% for nick ritchie + 2022 1st + 2022 2nd + 2023 1st.

Cap hits are almost a wash. 125k difference and same term.

comparative deal is coleman at 1.8M for 1.5 seasons costs Nolan Foote (under 1 yr removed from being a 1st round pick) + a mid level 1st. This barely costs more than that (2 late 1sts and a late 2nd) for a much better player whilst also sending a cap dump back

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

If that were the case, he would have been on waivers instead of Adam Brooks and/or Michael Amadio.

Reality is, Engvall's been a versatile, plug-in-anywhere forward for the team. He can play C, he can be a really good compliment on the LW with Kampf, he's never really going to hurt the team.

Is he the best use of ~$500k over a league minimum player? possibly not, but even if you replace him with a league min player, Toronto is still over the cap.

I think the original plan was for him to go on waivers

 

[seanlinden]

I think the original plan was for him to go on waivers

Likely so...

But given that Mikheyev started the year hurt, they obviously didn't have to.

The point of my comment is/was, if the Leafs wanted rid of Engvall, they would have put him on waivers... not Adam Brooks and then subsequently Michael Amadio.

 

[HockeyVirus]

They don’t have 4 extra players. They’re at the league standard roster of 23. Which means they can’t even get Mrazek off the LTIR list without reducing the cap by $3m first. Sending Will down only clears $750k. So they still need to clear $2.3m to even get Mrazek back. Thst means running a reduced roster just to get cap compliant. There’s no way they can make a trade for a top 6 scorer without sending out at least as much cap as they bring in

Dude, they were cap compliant to start the season with 9 F and 7D, 2 goalies. They will be cap compliant again.

 

[bruins4thecup65]

DeBrusk and Moore plus a first and a second for Nylander?

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

DeBrusk and Moore plus a first and a second for Nylander?

Not a chance

 

[SnizzMitch]

top 6 winger !?!
we need a more upgraded defensemen

The Leafs need more scoring? Dont see it. Any moves by the Leafs should be made to help prevent goals against.

I believe the Maple Leaf should focus more on defence

the defense sucks, and leads the league in giveaways. just because it hasnt cost us games lately, doesnt mean it isnt a major issue.
come playoffs, those giveaways are often buried.

lol did any of you guys watched a leafs game since 2019? because it sure doesnt seem so.

 

[summer tooth]

lol did any of you guys watched a leafs game since 2019? because it sure doesnt seem so.

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[Ciao]

Proposed this before and some leafs fans have accepted it:

jt miller at 50% for nick ritchie + 2022 1st + 2022 2nd + 2023 1st.

Cap hits are almost a wash. 125k difference and same term.

comparative deal is coleman at 1.8M for 1.5 seasons costs Nolan Foote (under 1 yr removed from being a 1st round pick) + a mid level 1st. This barely costs more than that (2 late 1sts and a late 2nd) for a much better player whilst also sending a cap dump back

Then again, other Leafs' fans like me hope and pray that the Leafs don't mortgage the future like that.

Two firsts and a second is a non-starter for me.

I don't even like JT Miller all that much anyway.

There's a problem in the Canucks' dressing room. I don't know that JT Miller is the problem, but on the other hand, I don't know that he isn't. All I know is that he seems to be involved in whatever the problem is, and I'd rather the Leafs stay away from him while they're playing so well now.

As they say – if it ain't broke, don't break it!

 

[Ciao]

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Well, here's a clue: the Leafs have a good defence corps and they are playing very good defensive hockey as a team in front of a pretty good goaltender.

Defence was a problem years ago, but that is no longer the case.

 

[bernmeister]

He would be an absolute moron for doing so. He's 28 years old, he's coming off seasons where he's produced 59 in 70, 49 in 56, and 14 in 16 so far this year. He's going to go get himself a 6-7 year deal at $6m+, and set his career for life. If he's going short term, the AAV only goes up considering the risk/challenge with pursuing UFA as a 31 year old.

As for Strome himself, maybe he's worth a 1st round pick -- if he is, go trade him for one. I can tell you with certainty that the Leafs aren't going to be trading a first round pick for him; certainly not Kerfoot + a 1st.

fair enuf
but just adding like I said, he will not dictate the market like Zib did.

No one will give him 6-7 term unless the annual rate is crazy low, and if that is the case, he should just do 2 yrs at a time.
IF he proves every [other] year he still cuts the mustard, the market will respond and reward him w/short term offers.
Not long term

 

[bernmeister]

You're out to lunch if you think Strome is going to take a 4y x 4.5m contract. Can you give me an example of a comparable player that signed a similar contract? Because I can give you many examples of comparable players that signed contracts 6mil and over for 6+ years...

I did not say that.
I said he wants more, but his market is 6, 6.5 short term, and growing up a Leafs fan, and given they have a good shot at the cup, he may give them 4 yrs at 5-5.25 per.

4.5 is his current salary.
You must have seen my quoting that, or referencing in a deal if NY retained max half that would go down to 2.25.

 

[Namikaze Minato]

DeBrusk and Moore plus a first and a second for Nylander?

Thread title:
Top 6 scoring winger to the leafs.

Your brain:
Hey will you trade your best winger for our healthy scratch, a cap dump in the minors and a late first?

 

[Canuck Luck]

Then again, other Leafs' fans like me hope and pray that the Leafs don't mortgage the future like that.

Two firsts and a second is a non-starter for me.

I don't even like JT Miller all that much anyway.

There's a problem in the Canucks' dressing room. I don't know that JT Miller is the problem, but on the other hand, I don't know that he isn't. All I know is that he seems to be involved in whatever the problem is, and I'd rather the Leafs stay away from him while they're playing so well now.

As they say – if it ain't broke, don't break it!

And that’s how you miss out on guys like jt miller and ROR. They go to dysfunctional organizations, are unhappy with the dysfunction and losing so the “rumours” always get directed at them since they are the only ones to speak up or show emotion. They become available and you get cold feet.

2 1sts and a 2nd is the bare minimum it would take to get a jt miller caliber player at 2.625M with 1.5 + years left.

blake Coleman at 1.8M for 1 season + some odd games and a 2nd playoff run cost Nolan Foote (not even 1 full season after being drafted in the late 1st) + a potential lottery 1st.

825k salary difference while jt miller is twice the player coleman is. Not to mention we are taking back 2.5M for the same term for a player with 0 value. All it costs is an additional 2nd

 

[Bourne Endeavor]

Leafs need a top 6 LW that can score at 50% retained and a team that can take a couple smaller contracts back. Hard trade to make but there is one guy that fits this if Dubas is willing to make a deal with the Devil and that's Evander Kane. Other than that they would probably have to wait till closer to the deadline

If the Canucks finally fire our moron GM and embrace a rebuild, we could probably do just that. Miller at 50% and Toronto dumps a contract on us... depending on the return, of course.

 

[93gilmour93]

If the Canucks finally fire our moron GM and embrace a rebuild, we could probably do just that. Miller at 50% and Toronto dumps a contract on us... depending on the return, of course.

JT Miller definitely fits also depending on what the return would be to the Canucks

 

[Golden_Jet]

Dude, they were cap compliant to start the season with 9 F and 7D, 2 goalies. They will be cap compliant again.

Explain how they can bring back Mrazek and Mik then.

 

[thusk]

I'm not sure why people that high on jt miller

This season, they should have pretty good option at trade deadline

Evgeni Malkin
Claude giroux
Joe pavelski
Thomas hertl
Filip forsberg
Richard Rackel
Dustin brown
Jeff carter
Reilly smith
David perron
Bryan rust
Bergeron( not on that list because i dont see him leaving bruins

Just right there 11 pretty good option who could leave at a better price depend how of the remaining game until deadline will go

 

[Fogelhund]

I'm not sure why people that high on jt miller

This season, they should have pretty good option at trade deadline

Evgeni Malkin
Claude giroux
Joe pavelski
Thomas hertl
Filip forsberg
Richard Rackel
Dustin brown
Jeff carter
Reilly smith
David perron
Bryan rust
Bergeron( not on that list because i dont see him leaving bruins

Just right there 11 pretty good option who could leave at a better price depend how of the remaining game until deadline will go

Nearly every player that you've mentioned there, is on a team currently in a playoff spot... most of these guys won't be traded.

 

[AvroArrow]

Proposed this before and some leafs fans have accepted it:

jt miller at 50% for nick ritchie + 2022 1st + 2022 2nd + 2023 1st.

Cap hits are almost a wash. 125k difference and same term.

comparative deal is coleman at 1.8M for 1.5 seasons costs Nolan Foote (under 1 yr removed from being a 1st round pick) + a mid level 1st. This barely costs more than that (2 late 1sts and a late 2nd) for a much better player whilst also sending a cap dump back

That's a massive over payment for JT Miller. For reference, the leafs traded two 1sts and a second for Phil Kessel, who was a RFA and signed here long term. That is horrendous for Toronto. JT Miller is a very good player, but nobody is giving you two 1sts + a 2nd for him. Not worth gutting the future for.

 

[Mike Dukarm]

Hoffman or Toffoli

 

[Canuck Luck]

That's a massive over payment for JT Miller. For reference, the leafs traded two 1sts and a second for Phil Kessel, who was a RFA and signed here long term. That is horrendous for Toronto. JT Miller is a very good player, but nobody is giving you two 1sts + a 2nd for him. Not worth gutting the future for.

As you said you were getting an unsigned Kessel signing for a massive amount. That trade is also from over a decade ago. It doesn’t equate to todays market.

2 years of miller at 2.625M costs a lot. I already posted a comparable that’s at least only 2 years ago as to how I came to that evaluation. Teams would definitely pay that price if they will pay a 1st for goodrow or 2 1sts for Blake Coleman.

If anything 2 1sts and a 2nd is a low ask for miller at 50% retention compared to the 2 examples. That doesn’t even add in that we are taking back 2.5M in salary for the duration of his contract.

 

[Edgelord]

As you said you were getting an unsigned Kessel signing for a massive amount. That trade is also from over a decade ago. It doesn’t equate to todays market.

2 years of miller at 2.625M costs a lot. I already posted a comparable that’s at least only 2 years ago as to how I came to that evaluation. Teams would definitely pay that price if they will pay a 1st for goodrow or 2 1sts for Blake Coleman.

If anything 2 1sts and a 2nd is a low ask for miller at 50% retention compared to the 2 examples. That doesn’t even add in that we are taking back 2.5M in salary for the duration of his contract.

Can't do the 2 1sts
however a 1st+Amirov+2nd+Ritche is at least palatable. Even toss in an other 3rd to a team if they will retain 1.3 of the 2.6.
Miller at 1.3, with Ritche's 2.5 going out is for sure worth a 1st+high end prospect+2nd+3rd+Ritche
That extra 1.2 cap space would be big for us for call ups.

 

[MagicalRazor]

PHILL

 

[thusk]

Nearly every player that you've mentioned there, is on a team currently in a playoff spot... most of these guys won't be traded.

If playoff would start tomorrow

Pittsburgh out
-malkin
-rust
Philly
-giroux
Nashville or san jose 1 with 2nd wild card and the second one out
-forsberg or hertl
Vegas out
- smith
Lak out
-brown

So minimum 6 of 11 player i talked about are player from team outside of playoff right now.

You can add

phil kessel
Max domi
Johnny gaudreau ( if calgary fall)
Alexander radulov