Top-200 Hockey Players of All-Time - Preliminary Discussion Thread

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DN28

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Wait, are you guys actually redoing the top 100? Because Makarov, Fetisov, Tretyak, Kharlamov and Firsov were all voted top 100 two years ago.

No but new voters who didn't parcipate in the Top-100 project from 2018/19 will submit a list where some of these players will be ranked.

I didn't want to speak only about players to-be-ranked somewhere in 100-150 range.
 
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No but new voters who didn't parcipate in the Top-100 project from 2018/19 will submit a list where some of these players will be ranked.

I didn't want to speak only about players to-be-ranked somewhere in 100-150 range.

I get your point but... where Makarov, Fetisov, et all rank on the aggregate list is basically irrelevant to this project.
 

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I get your point but... where Makarov, Fetisov, et all rank on the aggregate list is basically irrelevant to this project.

I know.. Just that previously some posters asked for more info about Iron Curtain era players and I wanted to start from firsts.. I'll get to unranked players soon.
 

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I know.. Just that previously some posters asked for more info about Iron Curtain era players and I wanted to start from firsts.. I'll get to unranked players soon.
I enjoyed your write-up and look forward to the next one.

How would you weigh the importance of domestic vs international performance for CSSR players?
 
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I'm going to be lazy and keep the current 100 and maybe slot a couple of guys in but the last 50 players in the 1170-220 range is going to be harder than I thought alot of great players that could be in or out flip of a coin really.
 
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Who's including Jean Ratelle? He has a rather weird career arc. He wasn't anything early on (although maybe a lack of ice time/opportunity held him back) but then put together some big seasons with the Rangers and won the Pearson one year. He was fairly disappointing in the playoffs until being traded to BOS, where he had some solid years to finish off his career.

He seems kind of like a centre version of MSL, I suppose, although Marty never had a reputation for being a playoff choker.

He's on my list currently, but his playoffs are a bit concerning.
 

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-Modano- He's getting in here if I like it or not, I'm sure of it. But I just watched him play so much and he was a very GOOD player, but I don't remember him taking over a game at any point in time.

I think highly of Modano. You're right, he never had that one defining season, but he was consistently great (franchise centre) from year to year (much like his contemporary Mats Sundin). Very few players at that level were so steady from year to year.

One thing to keep in mind with Modano is Bob Gainey gradually molded him into a responsible two-way forward (and Ken Hitchcock kept him in that role). Watch him play in, say, 1993 and 2000, and the difference is clear. We can't give players credit for what they could have done, but I think it's fair to recognize that Modano could have scored more if he focused less on defense (or was given a more offense-oriented linemate than Jere Lehtinen).

Comparing him to Sundin (once again) - I have little hesitation in ranking Modano higher. Their production is close (their seven and ten year VsX are within a couple of points of each other). Sundin was adequate defensively but Modano was much stronger. Modano has a better playoff resume. And although Sundin is (correctly) recognized for producing with relatively weak linemates, the same is true of Modano (yes he played on stronger teams, but that's mostly due to better defensive players, which doesn't boost his scoring totals). The one thing that keeps this comparison close is Sundin was excellent in international tournaments.

I still need to put together my list but I suspect I'll have Modano around 150th and Sundin around 200th.
 

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Just some late weekend thoughts while we try to make a start of this-
[At the risk of being a little derivative...]

Here follows a link that will contain a lot of worthy candidates for at/around the top of our lists:
Final vote of the History of Hockey Top-100 project

This link may give you an overview of many more deserving names:
History of Hockey Top 100 Aggregate List

(One point, though- I'm not really happy with the weighting on that list. For instance, I'm more impressed by Mike Modano's six mentions in submitted lists than I am by Dale Hawerchuk's three-- even though Hawerchuk's higher placements means that he's higher up on the Aggy List than Modano is.)

Hall-of-Fame standard:
If you're not sure whether someone you're inclining to list belongs in the Hockey Hall of Fame, then that player probably doesn't have any business being on your list. In fact, if you can make a mental separation- Upper Division Hall-of-Famers/Mainstream Hall-of-Famers/Lower Division Hall-of-Famers, then the Lower Division Hall-of-Famers should generally be spurned, too.

There are nearly 290 players in the Hockey Hall-of-Fame. The 'Top-100' list contains just about all of the Upper Division ones, not-yet-retired players who WILL be Upper Third Hall-of-Famers, and a couple of non-NHL Soviets whom the H-o-F committee, with absurd stubbornness, have yet to seriously entertain. That said, it's not anti-Soviet bias that's keeping them out- the non-NHL Czechoslovak players have also received similarly graceless treatment.
 

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Where do you fit Jonathan Toews among Sundin and Modano?

I'd say, with little hesitation, that Modano's the better player. I know Toews is the one with a Selke, but I'm not convinced that he was actually a better defensive player when you compare their primes. That's based strictly on the eye test. Even if Toews is better defensively, the gap between them offensively is much bigger (Modano was a top twenty scorer seven times vs twice for Toews).

The "#1 centre on three Cups winners" argument is impressive for Toews. But Modano was #2 in scoring the playoffs two years in a row while playing great two-way hockey (winning one Cup, then losing to New Jersey the next year). And he was pretty good on the 1991 Stars' completely unexpected run to the SC Finals (though strictly a one-way forward at that point). Maybe you can argue that Toews had the better career strictly because 3>1, but I don't think it's a very good argument.

Toews and Sundin are tough to compare - very different players. It's pretty obvious what their relative strengths and weaknesses are. I'd likely slot in Toews around 200 as well, so he'll probably be in the same vicinity as Sundin, just that they get there different ways. (This is based on gut feel as I haven't put together the list yet).
 

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Does @BenchBrawl have any of those old Ottawa Senators dynasty newspaper clippings handy from the last project? I remember walking away from those being impressed at how important Georges Boucher was portrayed to those teams.
 

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Just some late weekend thoughts while we try to make a start of this-
[At the risk of being a little derivative...]

Here follows a link that will contain a lot of worthy candidates for at/around the top of our lists:
Final vote of the History of Hockey Top-100 project

This link may give you an overview of many more deserving names:
History of Hockey Top 100 Aggregate List

(One point, though- I'm not really happy with the weighting on that list. For instance, I'm more impressed by Mike Modano's six mentions in submitted lists than I am by Dale Hawerchuk's three-- even though Hawerchuk's higher placements means that he's higher up on the Aggy List than Modano is.)

Hall-of-Fame standard:
If you're not sure whether someone you're inclining to list belongs in the Hockey Hall of Fame, then that player probably doesn't have any business being on your list. In fact, if you can make a mental separation- Upper Division Hall-of-Famers/Mainstream Hall-of-Famers/Lower Division Hall-of-Famers, then the Lower Division Hall-of-Famers should generally be spurned, too.

There are nearly 290 players in the Hockey Hall-of-Fame. The 'Top-100' list contains just about all of the Upper Division ones, not-yet-retired players who WILL be Upper Third Hall-of-Famers, and a couple of non-NHL Soviets whom the H-o-F committee, with absurd stubbornness, have yet to seriously entertain. That said, it's not anti-Soviet bias that's keeping them out- the non-NHL Czechoslovak players have also received similarly graceless treatment.

I think this is a good way of looking at it. As I mentioned, I haven't put together my list yet, but this is how I was planning to approach it.

There's 289 players in the HOF. 8 of them are women (I assume the list is men only - no?). So that's 281 male players.

We can pretty easily discard from the top 220 a number of HOF'ers- Lowe, Boivin, Wilson, Zubov, Duff, Shutt, Bauer, Gillies, Andreychuk, Ciccarelli, Mullen, LaFontaine, McDonald, Laprade, Smith, Weiland, and Cheevers. (I'm not even going into players like Anderson, Nieuwendyk, Federko, Carbonneau, Gartner, Neely, and Housley - who I can see some, although weaker, arguments for). That gets us down to around 260.

But then you have a bunch of players who are clearly deserving who aren't yet in the Hall - say a dozen European players, plus Jagr, Crosby, Ovechkin, Kane, McDavid, Thornton, Bergeron, Chara, Keith, Karlsson, Lundqvist. Then there's borderline players like Alfredsson, Toews, the Sedins, Elias, Roenick, Fleury, Zetterberg, Datsyuk, Stamkos, Luongo, etc. That gets us back to around 290.

The point is - as a general rule of thumb, if you're ranking 220 players, they should be clearly above the bottom rung of the Hall of Fame. (Going back to what someone said before about Barasso - personally I'd have him in the Hall but I recognize that he'd be in the lower tier. So for that reason I doubt he'll make my list).
 

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The Ottawa Journal - Jan 26, 1916

Boucher, who can rough it with the best of them, is proving a worthy sub for the great Eddie Gerard.He was on for a time in Quebec and the report was brought back that he sailed into Joe Hall and Harry Mummery in a way that made them wonder what had been let loose.

Game #1: The Ottawa Journal - Dec 24, 1919 (3-0 W vs. TOR)

Position: Sub

Cleghorn and Gerard couldn't have been improved upon and George Boucher showed flashes pf nice stick work.

Game #2: The Ottawa Journal - Dec 29, 1920 (2-0 W vs. HABS)

Position: Sub

Game #3: The Ottawa Journal - Jan 2, 1920 (3-2 W vs. QB)

Position: Sub

Game #4: The Ottawa Journal - Jan 5, 1920 (3-4 L vs. TOR)

Position: Sub

Game #5: The Ottawa Journal - Jan 8, 1920 (4-3 W vs. HABS)


Position: Sub/D

In the final period George Boucher went on in place of Sprague Cleghorn, who was hurt and held up for repairs.Boucher did some nifty work while he was on and irritated the Canadien attack. The Canadiens kept swarming round the Ottawas' goals, and only elegant work by the defence kept them at bay.

Game #6 - The Ottawa Journal - Jan 12, 1920 (7-1 W vs. QB)

Position: Sub

Game #7 - The Ottawa Journal - Jan 15, 1920 (2-1 W vs. QB)

Position: Sub/LW

Game Notes: Boucher was first-class at left wing

Game #8 - The Ottawa Journal - Jan 19, 1922 (2-3 L vs. HABS)

Position: Sub

(no time to fill the details)

Game #9: The Ottawa Journal - Jan 22, 1920 (12-1 W vs. QC)

Position: Sub

Ottawas played magnificiently.The subs were given a good warming and showed that they are but little behind the regulars.[...] Boucher was one of the outstanding stars of the game.George wielded a weighty stick athwart(?) the man of George Carpenter.The latter's fighting name didn't have any terrors(?) for Boucher, and when Carpenter cross checked him he responded with a lusty(?) clout.

George Boucher drole the last one home in five minutes, and the band played God Save the King.

Game #10: The Ottawa Journal - Jan 26, 1920 (3-5 L vs. TOR)

Position: Sub

Cleghorn was the outstanding star of the team.[...] Gerard was a close second and Boucher showed some excellent hockey while he was on.

Game #11: The Ottawa Journal - Jan 29, 1920 (7-0 W vs. TOR)

Position: Point (Partner: Gerard, Boucher replaced Cleghorn who did not play)

George Boucher subbed for Cleghorn and turned in a splendid game.Boucher worked like a beaver and played a finished stick.He tore off a dazzling goal when he outstepped the Toronto defence and blazed a high shot from point that caught Mitchell off his guard for the Ottawas' fifth tally.

Gerard and Boucher gave him the bumps every time he stepped into their sector and Joe Matte wasn't by any means a shining star.

Gerard kept up a series of rushes throughout the session and started the scoring carnival when he dashed through a wide open defence for Ottawas first goal. Boucher has been referred to.

Boucher was given a rest for tossing Cor. Denneny.

Boucher hooked the puck from Matte and tore through a wide open defence for a lovely goal in three minutes.

Game #12 - The Ottawa Journal - Feb 2, 1920 (10-3 W vs. HABS)


Position: Cover Point (Partner: Gerard, replaced Cleghorn who did not play)

Boucher played magnificient hockey. He scored the flashiest goal of the night when he stickhandled right through the whole Canadiens team and beat Vezina on a well placed shot. His stick work was a treat.

Boucher was the outstanding star of the game.

Game #13: The Ottawa Journal - Feb 5, 1920 (5-0 W vs. QB)

Position: Sub

For the winners, Cleghorn and Broadbent were about the best, though Darragh, Gerard and Nighbor worked hard.Boucher was on the ice for only a few minutes as was Denneny. (Boucher still scored a goal, the fifth)

Game #14 - The Ottawa Journal - Feb 9, 1920 (3-4 L vs. TOR)


Position: Unknown

Matte took a wallop at Gerard in the third period and flattened Eddie against the board. It was an unexpected attack. George Boucher steamed up and crashed Matte for the count. While they were exchanging pleasantries on the side preparatory to going over the side, Goldie Prodgers chimed in.

Game #15 - The Ottawa Journal - Feb 12, 1920 (4-3 W vs. HABS)

Position: Cover Point (Partner: Cleghorn, Boucher replaced Gerard who did not play)

Boucher at point and Cleghorn at cover worked like Trojans. Both were disposed to work forward of their area, but their blocking and rushing was superb. Boucher scored a great goal and while Cleghorn didn't appear in the summary he left little to be desired in his play.

Game #16 - The Ottawa Journal - Feb 16, 1920 (3-2 OT W vs. HABS)

Position: Cover Point (Partner: Cleghorn, Boucher replaced Gerard who did not play)

IT WAS AN OVERTIME MATCH.JUST THREE MINUTES HAD ELAPSED WHEN CY DENNENY FLIPPED IN A LOOSE PUCK IN FRONT OF THE NETS, WHICH DROPPED FROM VEZINA'S PADS AFTER GEORGE BOUCHER HAD MADE A DESPERATE EFFORT TO SCORE.

Game #17 - The Ottawa Journal - Feb 19, 1920 (9-3 W vs. QC)

Position: Point (Partner: Cleghorn, Boucher replaced Gerard who only played five minutes)

Boucher gave a brilliant stickhandling display and scored a goal.

Boucher gave Malone a cross-check and was sent off.

Game #18: The Ottawa Journal - Feb 23, 1920 (4-3 W vs. TOR)


Position: D (Partner: Cleghorn, Boucher replaced Gerard who did not play)

George Boucher took the puck through the Toronto line and worked his way between Randall and Hefferman.
He looked hopelessly sandwiched but turned around and drove a hard backhander that glanced off Lockhart's skate into the twine in five minutes

Boucher gave an elegant display of stickhandling and held the puck all the way down to goal where he let fly a dangerous shot at Mitchil.

Game #19 - The Ottawa Journal - Feb 26, 1920 (6-3 W vs. HABS)

Position: Point (Partner: Cleghorn)

Boucher scintillated both offensively and defensively.He had little trouble in stickhandling his way through the Canadiens defence.

Game #20: The Ottawa Journal - Mar 1, 1920 (1-0 W vs. TOR)

Position: Cover Point

WONDERFUL DEFENCE: Gerard, Cleghorn and Boucher played a remarkable defensive game.

The game was fairly clean till near the finish when Randall opened up a wound on Boucher's head with a vicious wallop.Boucher had to have his head stitched and caved in from the wallop.

Notes: George Boucher suffered a severe concussion and was in bad shape for several hours.
The blow that Randall gave him was a vicious swipe and there was only slightly over a minute to play.

Game #21: The Ottawa Journal - Mar 4, 1920 (7-4 W vs. TOR)

Position: Sub/LW

In the final period it looked as though Randall and Boucher were going to collide.
Buck started after him in a determined manner, but Cooper Smeaton sent him to the side when he cross-checked Randall.

George Boucher wasn't used very much, but showed his usual flashy stickhandling.

Boucher replaced Cy Denneny in the first period.

Game #22: The Ottawa Journal - Mar 8, 1920 (4-3 W vs. HABS)

Did not play

Game #23: The Ottawa Journal - Mar 9, 1920 (11-6 W vs. QB)

Position: Point (Partner: Gerard, Boucher replaced Cleghorn who did not play)

George Boucher showed some of his usual brilliant stick work.Buck worked the rubber in uncanny fashion and the Quebec team looked kind of queer at times when they started chasing him.

Boucher juggled the puck through the whole Quebec team and scored in six minutes.

Game #24: The Ottawa Journal - Mar 11, 1920 (4-10 L vs. QB)

Position: Sub

1920 Stanley Cup Finals

Game 1: The Ottawa Journal - Mar 23, 1920 (3-2 W vs. Seattle)

Position: W

A beautiful attack by Georges Boucher six minutes later saw him crowded to the rail by Rowe. He made a deft pass that was caught by Gerard. The latter steadied himself and drove a liner that bounced off Holmes' pads, and Darragh, sweeping in like an express train, slapped the puck into the corner of the net.

Georges Boucher, alternating with Punch Broadbent and Cy Denneny was the best of the trio. His stickhandling was superb. He went like an express train on the soft going.

Boucher sent Walker sprawling.

Boucher did some elegant stick work but lost the puck in a pool.

Game 2 (3-0 Ottawa) - Ottawa Citizen Mar 25, 1920

Position: Rover

PCHA Rules (seven men per side, forward pass)

Georges Boucher, the individual star of the big match, was cheered to the echo throughout.

With the Pacific Coast rules in vogue, the Ottawas retained their usual defence of Benedict, Cleghorn and Gerard, while Boucher was played at rover.

Benedict, Cleghorn, Boucher and Darragh played the entire sixty minutes, while Gerard was only off for his three minutes rest (penalty), Denneny and Broadbent alternating on the wing.

While all the Ottawa's played good hockey under the circumstances and the team as a whole lived up to its reputation as one of the greatest that has ever stepped out on the ice, a team which makes good under any kind of conditions, one player stood out brightly in the big struggle; Georges Boucher. For the full hour the husky New Edinburgh boy was up and down the ice like a flash. He rushed in dazzling style, backchecked with great effect and became the most consistent puck carrier on the ice. Boucher stickhandled in and out of the maze of Seattle players like a wizard, and time after time he brought the crowd to its feet.

Boucher rocked Holmes with a waist high shot

Boucher made a great try and showed superior stickhandling but Rowe backed in and stopped him up.

Boucher did some excellent stick handling and almost scored.

Boucher started the period with some pretty stick work.

Game 3: The Ottawa Journal Mar 29, 1920 (1-3 L vs. Seattle)

Position: LW

It was simply an off night for the Senators, and something that happened to the best of teams.[...] Boucher worked hard, but was given close attention. He showed some fine stick work at times.

Boucher flashed through and Holmes cleared nicely.

Boucher made his way through and whipped the first counter past Holmes in five minutes.

Boucher took a sniping shot that bounced off Holmes' pads and the latter came out of his nets to clear.

Darragh and Boucher checked back well as did Nighbor, but couldn't work in close.

Nighbor came through and passed to Boucher and the latters shot just crazed the post.

Boucher and Nighbor worked hard.

Game 4: The Ottawa Journal - Mar 31, 1920 (2-5 L vs. Seattle)

Position: Rover

For the Senators, all seemed to be below par with Gerard and Cleghorn best. The line never got going and couldn't work any system. Individual rushes by Boucher, Darragh and Denneny usually fell short.

Boucher took a pass from Darragh and failed to score, when he had only the goaler to beat.

Game 5: The Ottawa Journal - Apr 2, 1920 (6-1 W vs. Seattle, Ottawa wins Stanley Cup)

Position: LW

Georges Boucher plays brilliantly and is largely responsible for the victory.

Georges Boucher was the star. The master manipulator of the puck brought the crowd to its feet time without number with his wonderful stick work. His goal was a beauty (making the game 1-1).Nighbor was a close second, his poke check paralyzed the Seattle forwards and was as valuable as a third defenceman.

Walker came like a blue streak and headed Boucher off. The latter was through again but holmes saved."

Walker split a three-man rush and Boucher missed a great opportunity.

Boucher is playing a wonderful game

Ottawa Citizen 12 Dec, 1920

Should Star This Season

This will be Boucher's fifth season with the Ottawas. George broke in fresh from the ranks of the New Edinburgh club and has been one of the most valuable men in the Ottawa squad. Last year, he filled almost every position on the team. He figured on the Ottawa defense and did dazzling work in the deciding games of the first half when Sprague Cleghorn was out of action, and he subsequently replaced Capt. Eddie Gerard with equal success. In the world series against Seattle, through the games both in Ottawa and Toronto, Boucher was probably the brightest star on the Ottawa team. He should be one of the most effective men in the National Hockey League this winter. His versatility is a great asset to the Ottawas, as he goes up to the line or back to the defense without a murmur.

Ottawa Citizen Dec 30, 1920


Position: Sub

Boucher, who acted in a substitute capacity, played a first-class game and he will be heard from again this season. He scored two goals.

Boucher added another (goal) shortly afterwards on an individual effort from outside the defence.

Ottawa Citizen Dec 30, 1920

An agreement was made by the various clubs that they would assist Hamilton in order to round out the circuit.

[...]

Ottawa had the privilege of reserving seven men, after which the Tigers would be able to select one. Ottawa, naturally, reserved Benedict, Cleghorn, Gerard, Nighbor, Darragh and Denneny, their regular six, and Georges Boucher, one of the best utility men in the game. They left Broadbent, Graham, McKell and Bruce.

[...]

Manager Thompson notified President Calder of the NHL that he did not want Broadbent, but that he had been advised that Boucher wished to go to Hamilton and that he would claim him. He also asserts that he was told by the Ottawa club owners that if Boucher wished to go they would not prevent it. This is refuted by officers of the Ottawa's, who say that they never entertained any idea of allowing Boucher to change his colors.

Game #4 - Ottawa Citizen Jan 4, 1921 (8-2 W vs. MTL, 1 goal)

Position: Point (Partner: Gerard)

BOUCHER MADE GOOD ON OTTAWA DEFENCE

With Sprague Cleghorn off the defence, Georges Boucher moved back to point.

Boucher played a grand game on the Ottawa defence and Gerard was (?) spectacular and effective throughout.

...got an assist on the (?), which Georges Boucher (?) through.

Denneny tallied his (?) after a rush with Darragh in (^) minutes and his third in threee minutes when Georges Boucher gave him a pass.Georges Boucher then rushed with Denneny and made it 4 to 1

Game #5 - Ottawa Citizen Jan 7, 1921 (5-1 W vs. HAM)

Position: D (Partner: Gerard)

Georges Boucher was injured in a collision with Matte and had to go off for repairs, but he soon resumed play and was a tower of strength to the Senators.

Ottawa continued to outplay the home club and though Joe Malone led his team mates to many brilliant attacks, the Gerard-Boucher defence proved invincible and Benedict had comparatively little to do.

Benedict, Boucher and Gerard were always effective on the defence.

Ottawa appeared to improved as the game wore on, though both Gerard and Boucher received hard bumps, both were going like wildfire at the finish.

Game #7 - Ottawa Citizen Jan 13, 1921 (2-0 W vs. MTL)

Position: Point (Partner: Gerard)

Darragh, of course, stood out as the brilliant inidivudal hero of the big struggle, but Gerard, Boucher, Nighbor and Denneny shared his glory.

Game #13 - Ottawa Citizen Feb 3, 1921 (4-3 W vs. TOR, 1 goal)

Position: D (Partner: Gerard)

Georges Boucher dodged through on one of his celebrated rushes and tied the score. It was a beautiful play and the crowd gave Boucher a big round of applause.

Jack Darragh rushed with Georges Boucher and put in a side shot.

Benedict was very good in the goal, and the Boucher-Gerard defence stood out brilliantly, as usual

Game #15 - Ottawa Citizen Feb 10, 1921 (7-4 W vs. HAM, 1 goal)

Position: Point (Partner: Gerard)

Georges Boucher carried it down after one minute of play and shot.The puck bounded out and Cy Denneny slammed it back into the nets, while the crowd cheered itself hoarse.

...and Boucher scored in four minutes.

Boucher drew a major foul in this period for slashing and for three minutes, the Stanley Cup holders played one man short.

Boucher and Gerard were very effective and both Ottawa defence men figured in the scoring as usual.

Game #22 - Ottawa Citizen Mar 3, 1921 (2-3 L vs. TOR)

Georges Boucher, who has struggled along for the greater part of the second half with a very painful hip, was out of the game altogether.He is under the care of Dr. Lorne Graham, and the Ottawa will be fortunate if they get him back in readiness for the championship playoff next week.

The defense evidently missed Boucher, who witnessed the game from the Ottawa bench.

1920-1921 PLAYOFFS

OTTAWA SENATORS(NHL) vs. TORONTO ST. PATS(NHL)

Game 1: The Ottawa Journal - Mar 11, 1921 (5-0 W vs. TOR)

Position: D (Partner: Gerard)

BUCK BOUCHER TREATS CROWD TO STICK HANDLING FESTIVAL AND SCORES THREE GOALS

Under Picture: GEORGES BOUCHER, who was the outstanding player on the ice last night.He scored three out of five goals, and was a wizard with the stick.

Boucher gave a grand exhibition.

Boucher showed stickhandling wizardry of high order

Boucher drew Forbes from the net and flipped the puck into the open net.It was a fitting culmination to a clever individual play, Boucher having stickhandled his way through practically the whole St. Pat team.

Game 2: The Ottawa Journal - Mar 15, 1921 (2-0 W vs. TOR)

Position: D (Partner: Gerard)

Game Notes: Randall and Boucher renewed their feud of a year ago when Boucher was cut down while not expecting an attack. Every year Randall gets one bad game out of his system.

Game Notes: Boucher again had the fans gasping with his stick work. Time after time he went skimming along with the puck hanging to his stick and plastered Forbes with terrific shots.

1921 Stanley Cup Finals

OTTAWA SENATORS VS. VANCOUVER MILLIONAIRES(PCHA)

Game 1: The Ottawa Journal - Mar 22, 1921 (1-3 L vs. VAN)

Position: Sub

BOUCHER AND DARRAGH OTTAWA STARS

STARS WHO SHONE IN LAND OF THE SUNSET (pictures of Georges Boucher and Jack Darragh): Georges Boucher, specially mentioned by the Vancouver World's special writer in his dispatch to The Journal.

Note: Sprague Cleghorn worked hard, as did Boucher.The stick-handling of the latter was a treat.

Game 1 (Extra): Vancouver Daily World - Mar 22, 1921 (1-3 L vs. VAN)

Position: D (Partner: Gerard, Cleghorn as Sub, contradicting Ottawa Journal)

For the Senators, Benedict showed up more brilliantly than any of the other stars.[...] Boucher played a splendid game. The (Ottawa) defenders checked hard, and many times brought the Vancouver forwards down when they were about to make a shot which might have scored.

Boucher went through, but Cook robbed him of the puck when he looked dangerous.

Boucher made a good run, but his shot went straight to Lehman, who had no difficulty in saving. By nice combination the Senators took the puck down and Boucher nearly scored, but was afraid, and a good chance was lost.

Boucher intercepted a pass from Mackay to Harris and broke up a very dangerous piece of play

Game 2: The Ottawa Journal - Mar 25, 1921 (4-3 W vs. VAN)

Position: Point (Partner: Gerard, with Sprague Cleghorn as Sub)

Boucher took a quick pass from Cleghorn and scored Ottawa's first goal.

The forwards, aided by Boucher, raked Lehman fore and aft(?) with well directed shots.

The second period was but a few seconds old when Boucher went the puck in Vancouver's net on an off-side. The play remained in the Millionaire's area several minutes. Boucher's shooting bothered Lehman constantly/

Game Notes: Georges Boucher steadied the Senators when he shot through and capped a classy goal.

Game Notes: Boucher was irrepressible and whirled his way through the Millionaires at will. He had Lehman jumping like a jack rabbit to stand off his drives.It was the first goal off Boucher's stick that injected the punch and power into the Ottawa attack.

Game 2 (Extra): Vancouver Daily World - Mar 25, 1921 (4-3 W vs. VAN)

Position: D (Partner: Gerard, Sprague Cleghorn at LW)

Cleghorn broke through and passed to Boucher, who scored Ottawa's opening goal. This was hard luck for the Millionaire who had just made a fine attack on Benedict and three of their players were stretched on the ice when the goal was scored.

Harris was nearly successful (in scoring), but was put off his shot when Boucher checked hard.

Game 3: The Ottawa Journal - Mar 28, 1921 (3-2 W vs. VAN)

Position: D (Partner: Gerard, Sprague Cleghorn at Rover)

...Desireau, who tried a diagonal pass across the centre space to Harris. It was too slow, however, Boucher intercepting. He bored into the Vancouver defence as far as Duncan. That long-armed defender cut short his charge...

Boucher tripped Duncan and was also penalized.

GREAT DEFENSIVE: Ottawa usually relieved by sending one man on a lone expedition. Gerard usually acted as puck carrier and his great dashes kept the fans tense through the period. Boucher also aided greatly. His great stickhandling bothered Vancouver and he showed marked ability in holding the puck with a hand of players buzzing round him.

Game Notes: Boucher again proved himself a master with the stick, and his long rushes that usually ended with a shot on Lehman marked him out.

Game 3 (Extra): Vancouver Daily World - Mar 28, 1921 (3-2 W vs. VAN)

Position: Rover (Cleghorn at D, contradicting Ottawa Journal)

(Repetition from Ottawa Journal, see above)

Game 4: The Ottawa Journal - Apr 1st, 1921 (2-3 L vs. VAN)

Position: LW

The Ottawa team started out with Boucher at left wing

Boucher, who had been checked in a rush, regained the puck and stickhandling his way through shot from close in, which beat Lehman.

Boucher who was working like a horse brought Ottawa into the fight by a superb bit of stick work which carried him right through and he made sure by (?) in Lehman and scoring.

Boucher gathered the first honor in the third period by gaining after faceoff. He went as far as Duncan and met with disaster.

Game No

Game 4: Vancouver Daily World - Apr 1st, 1921 (2-3 L vs. VAN)

Position: LW

OUT TO GET REFEREE ION: The game became so rough in the final period that some serious trouble looked threatening, and when Boucher went on the ice after serving a sentence he said: "I am going out to put my stick on Ion". Fortunately for Boucher the referee did not hear this remark or trouble would certainly have resulted.

Overall: Boucher was also conspicuous and helped his team in many excellent pieces of work.

Game 5: The Ottawa Journal - Apr 5, 1921 (2-1 W vs. VAN, Ottawa wins Stanley Cup)

Position: Rover (with Cleghorn at Cover Point)

Game 5: Vancouver Daily World - Apr 5, 1921 (2-1 W vs. VAN, Ottawa wins Stanley Cup)

Position: Rover (from Apr 4)

Boucher made a splendid effort and drew Lehman right out of his net and with a clear goal before him sent the puck some two feet wide.


Game 5: Ottawa Citizen Apr 5, 1921 (2-1 W vs. VAN)

Position: C

OTTAWA RETAINS WORLD'S HOCKEY CHAMPIONSHIP

The Ottawa's caused a big surprise when they again shifted their team and placed Boucher at center with Nighbor at rover, but it worked splendidly as Nighbor laid back and fairly devoured the Vancouver passes. Boucher was brilliant throughout. His poke check worked to perfection.

They realized that it was all over and that they had won. Georges Boucher let loose a happy shout and keeled over, but the others danced and shouted in their glee.

Memorable scenes were enacted in the huge concrete arena when the bell finally rang out to end the suspense, but in the dying moments of the match, a free fight broke out and the police were on the ice for the first time during the series. Eddie Gerard, who had been made a target for the Vancouver criticisms, stopped Cook with a body check. They clashed and Cook struck at the Ottawa captain savagely. Sprague Cleghorn, rushing into the melee, knocked Cook head over heels with a swing to the jaw. Duncan rushed up and cut Boucher across the head, flooring the Ottawa player, and Denneny and Harris got into it.

1921-1922

Game #8 - Ottawa Citizen Jan 12, 1922 (7-2 W vs. TOR, 2 goals)

Position: D (Partner: Gerard)

(Some quotes are ambiguous as to who it is describing between Georges and Frank Boucher)

Cameron took the play back and his shot went off Benny's pads, Boucher transferring the puck to the other end where Roach made three stops in succession from Broadbent, Gerard and Nighbor.(Frank or Georges Boucher?)

Benedict again rose to the occasion and Boucher carried the rubber out. Cameron got through as far as Boucher and stopped there, Boucher rushing to get in a hard shot that Roach barely reached in time.

Randall went to Boucher who gave Roach a chance to make a remarkable save on his hard shot (Frank or Georges Boucher?)

Buck Boucher was sandwiched on an individual attempt and Noble carried the play back.

Nighbor and Boucher went up together and the play ended just as Boucher stepped into a sandwich trying to get through. (Frank or Georges Boucher?)

Finally, Buck Boucher rushed and passed to Broadbent. The latter whipped it into Roach's pads and Buch grabbed the rebound for the sixth goal in nine and half minutes.

Buck Boucher rushed three times in succession to pass to Bruce(?), but the latter had trouble with his stick and could not get the drives away.

Game Notes

The Gerard-Boucher defence had it on ''Red'' Stuart and Cameron.''Buck'', besides playing superior game on defence, shone brilliantly in his rushes, getting a couple of goals for himself in the final period.

Game #14 - Ottawa Citizen Feb 2, 1922 (4-2 W vs. MTL)

Position: D (Partner: Gerard)

Gerard and Nighbor were both playing brilliantly at the time they retired (from injuries) and Georges Boucher shouldered the lion's share of the evening's work with Cy Denneny and Broadbent. This trio were brilliant throughout and Clancy was one of the best in the game.

Georges Boucher stood out like a lighthouse and smashed attack after attack in startling fashion.

Game #18 - Ottawa Citizen Feb 16, 1922 (6-6 D vs. MTL, 1 goal)

Position: D (Partner: Gerard)

The stars of the game for Ottawa were Eddie Gerard, Georges Boucher and Frank Nighbor.

Georges Boucher took up the puck single-handed, evaded Berlinquette and Couture and scored a low, hard shot.

...after which Georges Boucher assisted Punch Broadbent to score...

Georges Boucher took the rubber up to Vezina twice, but failed to net it.

Game #20 - Ottawa Citizen Feb 23, 1922 (4-3 W vs. MTL, 1 goal)


Position: D (Partner: Gerard

Game #24 - Ottawa Citizen Mar 9, 1922 (2-7 L vs. HAM)

Position: D (Partner: Gerard)

Ottawa's defense has fallen down badly in the past few games. Benedict was none too good in the nets against Hamilton, while Gerard and Boucher were very much off color. Watch them come back against Toronto tomorrow night.

1921-1922 PLAYOFFS

OTTAWA SENATORS(NHL) VS. TORONTO ST. PATS(NHL)

Ottawa Citizen Mar 11, 1922

Harry Cameron is the dangerous man on the Toronto team and will have to be held down if Ottawa's are to bring back the championship. He has done great execution against the Senators to date as he invariably waits until he gets Georges Boucher down the ice and then breaks up "Buck's" side of the ice at terrific speed.

Game 1: The Ottawa Journal - Mar 12, 1922 (4-5 L vs. TOR)

Position: D (Partner: Gerard)

First Gerard went off then Nighbor and finally Broadbent was chased for a cross check of Noble. With the score tied 4-4, and Toronto up six men to three it looked like a parade.[...] For three minutes Benedict, Denneny and Boucher stood off the charge of the excited Saints till Gerard came to their rescue.

The defence of Boucher and Gerard was magnificent.

In the second session, Gerard and Boucher started with great rushes Roachward.

Boucher and Dye all slide for the puck at the same time. Boucher got there first and saved a sure goal.

Game Notes: Ken Randall spoke to Georges Boucher for the first time in two years. Georges rejoined with a stiff body check when Randall inquired the time of day.

Game 2: The Ottawa Journal - Mar 14, 1922 (0-0 T vs. TOR)

Position; D (Partner: Gerard)

(The spectators) saw a miserable game of hockey played under execrable circumstances (ice was poor), and saw a great team in its last desperate stand go down with colors flying as great in defeat as they ever were in victory.

The final five minutes were saturated with excitement.[...] ... and Georges Boucher and Smillie hurled battle taunts at each other on the penalty bench.

ALL TRIED HARD: Boucher at point with his bobbling stick working fancy patterns with the puck tried all he knew. Several times over anxiety and the tripping of Cameron and Stuart beat him out of chances for goals. He used his body with telling effect.

1922-1923

Game #8 - Ottawa Citizen Jan 11, 1923 (6-2 W vs.MTL, 1 goal)

Position: D (Partner: Gerard)

Georges Boucher then started a rush that terminated with a check at center ice, but Denneny picked up the loose puck and wide of the defense to score the tieing goal on a backhanded shot.

Buck Boucher broke alone and came close with a deadly shot.

And Boucher rushed from end to end to walk through the Habitant defence with a brilliant bit of stickhandling and drive the puck past Vezina.

Game note: Gerard and Boucher were both great.

Game #10 - Ottawa Citizen Jan 18, 1923 (1-2 L vs. MTL)

Position: D (Partner: Gerard)

Only at one stage of the game did Ottawa players overshadow the locals, that being when Boucher relieved after breaking up an attack of Canadiens and passed to Broadbent, who beat Vezina and tied the score.

Ottawa players went through the game as if overtrained, and never ta any time did Gerard and Nighbor turn in the game they are capable of. Denneny and Georges Boucher were the outstanding players of the team, although Boucher detracted from his usefulness by three trips to the penalty bench.

Boucher relieved for Ottawa, and started a bombardment on Canadiens' net, Vezina saving on three occasions.

Georges Boucher drew his second penalty for charging at Billy Boucher.

Boucher was sent to the penalty bench for the third time. On this occasion he talked back to Referee Smeaton.

Game #12 - Ottawa Citizen Jan 25, 1923 (1-2 OT L vs. TOR)

Position: D (Partner: Gerard)

GEORGES BOUCHER TURNS IN BEST GAME SEEN IN TORONTO FOR SOME TIME.

Boucher and Roach were the outstanding performers, the Ottawa defence man playing the best game seen here in many a day. His rushes featured the game, as did Roach's phenomenal work in front of the St.Pats' net.

No better exhibition than that given by Boucher has ever been seen here. He completely outdressed the locals nearly every time he gained possession of the puck, and his stickhandling was amazing.

In the last period he led the attack on the local net and fed his forwards unselfishly, but they could not get the puck past Roach, who was the star of the Irish team.

Near the close of the game, Boucher staggered off the ice almost completely exhausted.

Boucher and Denneny missed when right in front of Roach.

Roach made a great stop of Boucher's hard drive.

Stuart rushed from end to end but Boucher poked the puck away.

Boucher and Denneny beat the defence...

Boucher's stickhandling was the feature of the game. Boucher rushed from end to end and passed to Denneny who evened the score.

Boucher shot through and passed to Broadbent

Boucher engineered another dangerous attack but Roach stopped Denneny's shot.

Game #14 - Ottawa Citizen Feb 1, 1923 (2-1 W vs. TOR)

Position: D/C (Partner: Gerard)

Gerard, Boucher and Darragh star for senators.

Ottawa started out without the services of Nighbor and Boucher went to center ice with Clancy on the defence. (Nighbor returned at the halfway mark of the 1st period)

Nighbor came back, Boucher going back to the defence and Clancy to the bench.

Nighbor, Boucher and Denneny pulled one of the fine players of the game when they worked a three-man pass right in on the nets but Roach blocked Boucher when it looked curtain.

Boucher drove a couple dead on with no luck

Game Notes:

Cameron and Adams hammered away but Gerard and Boucher held them safe till the final whistle ended it.

Eddie Gerard led the Senators with a sparkling game and Boucher shone both on the attack and defence

Gerard and Boucher, particularly the latter, outshone the Toronto defence.

Game #16 - Ottawa Citizen Feb 8, 1923 (3-0 W vs. MTL, 2 goals)

Position: D (Partner: Gerard)

GEORGES BOUCHER BIG STAR OF BRILLIANT SENATOR VICTORY

...the first great goal scored by Georges Boucher in the third period has not been equaled for many moons.

Boucher's Great Play: Georges Boucher then sped away (?) and after working slowly through the defence, shoved the puck between Couture's feet, slipped through the defense and beat Vezina. He received a tremendous ovation.

Couture dumped(?) Boucher (?) Buck looked good for another

From the faceoff Boucher again (?) through with Nighbor trailing when he slowed at the net...(?)

Darragh followed in on another rush of Georges Boucher's to (?)

Game Notes:

Easily the best, "Buck" Boucher was of course the hero of the night and he richly deserved(?) the honors. His work standing out over any other player on the ice.

The Boucher's renewed the family feud with much vigor, Georges had the decision by a long way by reason of a neat coup which he pulled in the final period.

For a number of years yet, it is to be hoped that Georges Boucher will continue to turn in great games, but when the great "Buck" starts to slip those who had the pleasure of watching him go last night will have a kindly thought.

Game #18 - Ottawa Citizen Feb 15, 1923 (4-6 L vs. TOR)

Position: D (Partner: Gerard)

Game #20 - Ottawa Citizen Feb 22, 1923 (6-1 W vs. TOR)

Position: D (Partner: Gerard)

Denneny gave a marvelous exhibition of puck carrying and shooting and was the main works of the Ottawa team. Close to his heels came Boucher and Nighbor, though the former made four separate trips to the penalty box.

Denneny drove a couple dead on and Boucher broke with Broadbent trailing him. He swung into the defence and shot and Punch laced the rebound back behind Roach for the first one.

Darragh and Boucher combined beautifully for a goal that was offside, and immediately after Boucher missed by a (?) margin.

Boucher went in alone for the last effort of the game and the bell saved Roach from one more try.

Game #24 - Ottawa Citizen Mar 6, 1923 (0-2 L vs. TOR)

Position: D (Partner: Gerard)

Boucher skated into Stuart and the local player rapped him in the mouth.

Stuart and Boucher almost came to blow.

Boucher and Dye mixed it and were penalized.

Dye and Boucher on again.

1922-1923 PLAYOFFS

OTTAWA SENATORS (NHL) VS. MONTREAL CANADIENS (NHL)

Game 1: Ottawa Citizen Mar 8, 1923 (2-0 W vs. MTL)

Position: D/LW (Partner: Gerard)

OTTAWA HOCKEY TEAM SHUT OUT CANADIENS IN FIRST GAME 2 TO 0

The game was violent, and resulted in a near riot.Referee Marsh was assaulted and the police had to intervene.

In the second period Ottawa assumed the aggressive against the fast tiring Canadien team and after Sprague Cleghorn had gone to the bench for slashing Georges Boucher, Cy Denneny went down with Boucherm took the latter's pass and shot a beautiful goal through Vezina's legs.

...they moved Georges Boucher to left wing in the third period to cover his brother, Billy.

Gerard, Boucher and Nighbor went the full sixty minutes

Then again, the double pass, Boucher to Denneny to Boucher, sifted through, but Buck was outguessed.

Gerard and Boucher formed a grand defence and each assisted in scoring one of the Ottawa goals. Their defensive work was superb and on the offensive they were also great.

To pick out a star of the Ottawa's would be close to doing other members an injustice, for they were all there a thousand way. But, if we were forced to make a choice, we would call on Georges Boucher and Frank Nighbor for general effectiveness. They were at their best, and that's that. But they all were great-great-great.

Game 2: Ottawa Citizen Mar 10, 1923 (1-2 L vs. MTL, wins series 3-2)

Position: D (Partner: Gerard)

OTTAWA, NATIONAL HOCKEY L'GUE CHAMPS' WIN ROUND FROM CANADIENS BY 3-2 SCORE, LOSE FINAL GAME IN PLAY-OFF SERIES, 2-1

CHAMPIONS LEAVE TONIGHT FOR COAST TO DEFEND STANLEY CUP

"Buck" Boucher drilled the first one at Vezina.

Gerard, G. Boucher and Broadbent all rushed in succession.

Boucher and Darragh combined

Boucher and Broadbent swung in a combine that had Georges in a tight corner

...and then Berlinquette relieved Malone at center. He immediately pepped up the Canuck attack, and on his second try, was run into the corner by Georges Boucher.

Boucher and Darragh went in close with no luck.

Pitre came down as far as Boucher and Gerard, and Darragh too the play to the other end.

Joliat relieved at the defence and swing in the center with Billy Boucher flanking him. He went between Georges Boucher and Eddie Gerard and when he passed to the wing, brother Bill grabbed the disc and slid right in on Benedict to pick a corner for the second goal. This tied the score in the series.

... and Buck Boucher just failed to get the corner

Buck Boucher got in two shots with no luck

Boucher, Darragh and Denneny combined dangerously, but they were turned aside.

Denneny and Georges Boucher worked a double pass through the defence, and Joliat saved a sure goal.[...]Buck Boucher's rush ended the frame.

Berlinquette rushed through the center and his pass to Billy Boucher looked good for a goal, but Georges Boucher saved the day when he slid full length with stick extended to shove the rubber into the corner.

Buck Boucher drew a minor for a trip on Berlinguette

Gerard rushed and the fans howled for Buck Boucher to pile it up, but he lost out in the corner.

OTTAWA SENATORS (NHL) VS. VANCOUVER MAROONS (PCHA)

Game 1: The Ottawa Journal - Mar 17, 1923 (1-0 W vs. VAN)

Position: D (Partner: Gerard)

Clancy and Geo. Boucher sent in shots on Lehman which resounded all over the arena when they hit this gentleman's chest.

George Boucher and his brother Frank stafed some very pretty work in skating and stickhandling with the advantage in favor of Frank.

Georges Boucher skated the length of the ice for a shot on Lehman. Duncan took the puck away from him and was through the Ottawa defence. George Boucher seized his sweater and held him. George collected the first penalty of the evening.

Georges Boucher and Cook followed immediately after (a "fight" between Gerard and Harris), and staged a battle in centre ice.

Game 2: Ottawa Citizen Mar 20, 1923 (1-4 L vs. VAN, 1 goal)

Position: D (Partner: Gerard)

"Buck" Boucher gravevines through for solitary Ottawa counter in final period.

Georges Boucher, Defence ace of the Ottawa's, scored the only senators goal in last night's game.

Both Gerard and Georges Boucher stepped into the Vancouver forwards with considerable force.

Georges Boucher again tried conclusions with his younger Brother Frank, but did not fare so well as on the first occasion.

Georges Boucher broke away but was cut short at the Vancouver blue line.

Georges Boucher was penalized for tripping Skinner. Ottawa continued the game with five men.

The period ended with Georges Boucher skating furiously to escape his brother Frank who (?) to his heels in an effort to hook(?) the puck away from him.

Cook came up the center and passed to Skinner. They lost the puck to Georges Boucher, who fell on his way down the ice, but from a recumbent position did some nice handling and passed to Nighbor.

Harris took the puck and came down center for a long shot. Georges Boucher picked up the rebound, skated the full length and scored Ottawa's first goal.

Georges Boucher immediately afterward (an attack by Gerard and Denneny) received a round of applause for wizardry in stickhandling.

Press Box Notes:

The Ottawa defence appeared badly scattered, failing to block with their customary accuracy.

Shortly after the third period commenced, "Buck" Boucher went down the left boards and whistled one past Lehman from twenty feet out.Right after he went through again and carried rounds of applause with his wonderful stickhandling which gave him another shot, but was saved by Lehman.

Senators failed to show the dash and snap which characterized their play on Friday night. Their checking was very weak, Broadbent alone being the only one stepping in front of an opponent

Game 2 (Extra) Calgary Daily Herald - Mar 20, 1923

George Boucher was the bright individual star for the Senators. He has no peers in movements designed to bring goals and the one he got for his team was well deserved. He was cheered again and again last night, not a voice being raised against him, although his tactics on defense were much more strenuous than anything charged to Gerard who seemed off color all evening.

Game 3: Ottawa Citizen Mar 24, 1923 (3-2 W vs. VAN)

Position: D (Partner: Gerard)

Georges Boucher received round after round of applause from the big gathering on his serpentine(?) rushes. At times his elusive stickhandling made the Vancouver players look silly and the brunette defence man was all-powerful when it came to slowing down the opposing forwards or any other goal seekers.

Nighbor and Boucher gave a fine exhibition of stickhandling.

Frank Boucher after growing himself superior to his brother in the second game, again fell under the shadow of the fraternal alliance and seemed unable to solve the style of play displayed by Georges Boucher.

Game 4: Ottawa Citizen Mar 27, 1923 (5-1 W vs. VAN, wins series 3-1, 1 goal)

Position: D (Partner: Gerard)

Benedict, Gerard, Boucher, Nighbor, Broadbent and Denneny constitute the grandest super-six that has ever graced the National League.

But Clancy wasn't alone in his glory. Benedict, Boucher, Gerard, Nighbor, Denneny, Broadbent and Hitchman- they were all heroes.

Nighbor, Broadbent and Denneny went the entire round, except for a few penalties, and so did Georges Boucher

At one stage of the match in the third period there were only Georges Boucher and Frank Nighbor in front of Clint Benedict, but this trio manipulated the play without a score against them until relief came from Harry Broadbent, who had been penalized, and Denneny came in place of Hitchman, who had also been penalized.

"BUCK" CROSSES MAROONS: Ottawa's took command of the play ...?... Georges Boucher electrified the vast throng(?) by one of his masterful pieces of stickhandling and, when everybody, including the Vancouver defence, thought he was going to pass the puck across to Broadbent on right wing, he crossed(?) them all by slamming it with lightning-like speed into the Vancouver net, completely dumbfounding Lehman, who was not looking for the shot.

In the second period Punch Broadbent made it three to nothing with one of his home-run drives after taking a lively pass from Georges Boucher.

Georges Boucher broke away with two beautiful rushes which brought applause from the crowd.

EVERY MAN A STAR: It would hardly be fair to the Senators as a whole to mention anyone in particular. Every player gave his very best except in the second match of the series, when the whole team seemed more or less disorganized.[...] Captain Eddie Gerard and Georges Boucher for the defence were solid as the Rock of (?).They used their heads(?) when danger threatened and reserved their strength for the opportune moments knowing full well they were woefully short on substitutes.

Those who saw the game will remember Georges Boucher for his uncanny stickhandling and...

1923 Stanley Cup Finals

OTTAWA SENATORS (NHL) VS. EDMONTON ESKIMOS (WCHL)

Game 1: Edmonton Bulletin Mar 31, 1923 (2-1 W vs. EDM)

Position: D (Clancy)

Two points stand out from the run of the game. They are firstly that the Eskimos were able to penetrate to the Ottawa goal despite the wonderful defence of Benedict, Clancy and Boucher.

Georges Boucher made a spectacular rush which ended in a trip for which Ottawa received a penalty shot taken by Cy Denneny.

Even Georges Boucher was forced to forget his famous stick-handling and shoot from far out.

Georges Boucher went the length of the ice and made a brilliant effort to stickhandle his way through.

Boucher and Nighbor were skating their fastest, but appeared unable to get anywhere.

Game 1 (Extra): The Ottawa Journal - Mar 30, 1923

BOUCHER CRIPPLED

The game had only been under way ten minutes when Georges Boucher was corked and he limped badly through the rest of the period. A skate ripped through his boot, and he was cut almost to the bone. Boucher held on grimly, contend9ing himself with defensive play, but finally he forgot hurt and all after Hitchman scored, and he took chances on permanent injuries by his work.

Game 2: Edmonton Bulletin Apr 2, 1923 (1-0 W, Ottawa wins Stanley Cup)

Position: D (Partner: Gerard/Clancy/Hitchman?)

Georges Boucher played the first part of the game despite a badly cut foot received in the first game.

1923-1924

Game #2 - Ottawa Citizen Dec 20, 1923 (5-2 W vs. TOR, 2 goals)

Position: D (Partner: Hitchman)

GEORGES BOUCHER AND CY DENNENY EACH SCORE BRACE OF GOALS

To Georges Boucher, pride of New Edinburgh, goes a large share of credit for beating the visitors. Georges turned in one of the greatest displays ever given by a hockey player on any man's ice, scoring two goals on magnificent individual rushes, and might have scored the third had he been selfish enough to try. As it was, he made another spectacular rush and with only the net guardian to beat, passed the disc over to Cy Denneny, who gets credit for the counter.

...to Corbeau, who lost possession to Boucher near Ottawa's net. Boucher went straight to the center for a close-in shot.

Boucher went through the entire squad [...] and scored.

Game #3 - Ottawa Citizen Dec 27, 1923 (3-2 OT W vs. MTL)

Position: D (Partner: Clancy)

Georges Boucher also played well on the defence end. Possibly not as spectacular as he was in the recent game with St. Patrick's but equally as effective.

Game #5 - Ottawa Citizen Jan 3, 1924 (4-3 W vs. TOR)

Position: D (Partner: Hitchman)

Boucher was hurt when he tried to hurdle Stuart's stick.

Boucher scored but it was off-side.

Boucher tripped Adams after the local center man had beaten the defence.

Boucher tripped Noble, saving a goal, and was banished just as Hitchman came on.

Game #7 - Ottawa Citizen Jan 10, 1924 (2-1 W vs. MTL)

Position: D (Partner: Hitchman)

Every player on the Ottawa team was at his best from Benedict out. Georges Boucher and Hitchman, who started on the defence end, both turned in splendid games...

Game #11 - Ottawa Citizen Jan 22, 1924 (3-2 W vs. MTL, 1 goal)

Position: D (Partner: Hitchman)

...and finally Georges Boucher made it two to nothing for Ottawa by rushing past Odie Cleghorn and beating Vezina with a shot from a difficult angle.

The crowd called for a penalty against Georges Boucher who dropped Morenz with a check over the head.

Nighbor was penalized for tripping and Georges Boucher objected.

Georges Boucher was penalized for tripping Odie Cleghorn.

Game #12 - Ottawa Citizen Jan 24, 1924 (5-1 W vs. TOR, 2 goals)

Position: D (Partner: Hitchman)

GEORGES BOUCHER AND NIGHBOR EACH SCORE A BRACE OF GOALS, HITCHMAN THE OTHER.

Georges Boucher again demonstrated that he is a great player, not only defensively but offensively. He scored the first two goals for Ottawa and inaugurated a number of other attacks.

...the visitors staged a number of individual rushes, chiefly by Clancy and Boucher, and Roach was tested several times.

Game #14 - Ottawa Citizen Jan 31, 1924 (7-2 W vs. TOR)

Position: D (Partner: Hitchman)

From the Press Box: Georges Boucher did not add any counters to his goal-getting record, but he played a most effective game nevertheless. His rushes, always spectacular, kept St. Pats defence guessing all the time.

The final score was 7-2 in Ottawa's favor.[...] All the players that Manager Gorman sent out on the ice took part in the scoring bee(?) except Boucher, Hitchman and Clancy and that trio assisted in getting some of the tallies.

Just before the game ended, Georges Boucher went through and passed over to Campbell and "Spiff" took it upon himself to make the champs' total seven.

Game #15 - Ottawa Citizen Feb 4, 1924 (0-1 D vs. MTL) ***(KNEE INJURY)***

Position: D (Partner: Hitchman)

GEORGES BOUCHER ACCIDENTLY INJURED AND OUT OF GAME IN SECOND PERIOD

Georges Boucher went out of commission in the second period, the result of a collision with Sprague Cleghorn. There was no blame attached to the latter, it appearing to be purely an accident but Boucher's knee was badly wrenched and he was unable to return to the game.

Georges Boucher was the first to draw a penalty in the game. The Ottawa defence man checked Joliat hard(?) early in the opening period and while the check appeared fair in Ottawa eyes, Referee Ross thought differently. Then early in the second period, Boucher met Sprague Cleghorn head-on and went the latter went down, another penalty fell to Boucher, who maintained that the check was perfectly legitimate and so it appeared to the latter, but the referee said Boucher had used his elbow unfairly and the Referee's decision was final.

While he was in the game, Georges Boucher was at his best and Hitchman also turned in a splendid game along side Boucher.

Game #16 - Ottawa Citizen Feb 7, 1924 (4-0 W vs. MTL)

Did not play

Canadiens were without Sprague Cleghorn in their line-up, the big fellow occupying a seat along side Manager Leo Dandurand, on the players' bench, and Ottawa's line-up lacked Georges Boucher, so it was all even as far as players went. Billy Coutu was back on Canadiens' defence and "King" Clancy took Boucher's place, and as the play went, Ottawa's had the best of the break as Clancy was much better than Coutu.

The champs' defence stars of last season, Eddie Gerard and Georges Boucher, occupied seats on the players' bench, and helped Manager Gorman direct the champs to victory over their keenest rivals.

Game #18 - Ottawa Citizen Feb 14, 1924 (2-4 L vs. TOR)

Did not play

Game #20 - Ottawa Citizen Feb 22, 1924 (0-3 L vs. MTL)

Position: D (Partner: Hitchman)

GAME LACKS THRILLS

The game, however, had none of the thrills customary in contests between the two teams (OTT & MTL).Canadiens did their best to make it a real contest, but Ottawa was never in the picture. Whether it was that the players were paying an extra toll for their experience while snowbound Wednesday afternoon and night aboard a train, whether it was that they missed the services of Frank Nighbor and felt the loss of Georges Boucher's effectiveness-the latter playing with an injured knee that handicapped him greatley- or that the Senators knew they were safely in the play-off and the result did not matter, at any rate Ottawa gave the impression of not being interested in the tussle.

Hitchman and Georges Boucher were frequently spread on the defence. This latter allowed Joliat and Coutu in turn to get through, only to miss the goal by inches.

Clancy missed a good opening made by Georges Boucher.

CANADIENS TO PLAY IN OTTAWA SATURDAY

Georges Boucher will be in better condition for tomorrow night's game. Boucher saved his injured knee all he possibly could last night and he could go to the post sound against Canadiens.

Game #22 - Ottawa Citizen Feb 28, 1924 (7-4 W vs. HAM, 1 goal)

Position: D (Partner: Hitchman)

GEORGES BOUCHER BACK IN BEST FORM

Cy Denneny, Spiff Campbell, Harry Broadbent and Georges Boucher were the other scorers for the champs.

The speed of Georges Boucher and Frank Clancy had the Tigers rather bewildered.

The game showed the complete return to form of Georges Boucher, who gave one of his greatest hockey displays. "Buck" went at top speed repeatedly, and time after time, stick-handled his way through for a shot on "Jumping Vernie".

He (Nighbor) was on in place of Hitchman, and along side Georges Boucher, which made a classy defence.

1923-1924 PLAYOFFS

OTTAWA SENATORS VS. MONTREAL CANADIENS

Game 1: Ottawa Citizen Mar 10, 1924 (0-1 L vs. MTL)

Position: D (Partner: Hitchman)

The ice was in very poor condition

Georges Boucher was benched for bumping brother too strenuously.

There was no score in the opening period, and five minutes of the second had clapsed when canadien's counter came, and it was a flukey goal which might easily have been disallowed. A scramble occurred near the Ottawa net and when Georges Boucher attempted to clear, the puck struck Hitchman's leg and Morenz batted it accross the record line.

The work of Georges Boucher and Hitchman on the champs' defence was all that could be desired. They played their positions perfectly. Boucher was the only player on either side who was able ot manipulate the puck on the sloppy surface to any extent. Several times this great stick-handler went through for open shots on Vezina but Chicoutimi was at his best and tossed the puck off as though it were the size of a toy balloon.

Game 2: Ottawa Citizen Mar 12, 1924 (2-4 L vs. MTL, loses series by 3 goals)

Position: LD (Partner: Hitchman RD)

CANADIENS WIN N.H.L. TITLE BY DEFEATING OTTAWAS AS 4 TO 2 WINNING ROUND BY 3 GOALS

A spectacular play by Georges Boucher seven minutes later, when he assisted Cy Denneny to score Senators second and last tally.

In the writer's opinion, only Hitchman and Georges Boucher were up to form on the Ottawa team.
AFTERMATH

Ottawa Citizen Mar 14, 1924

MANAGER GORMAN HITS BACK IN DEFENCE OF OTTAWA PLAYERS

[...]

"Georges Boucher's injury last month was another wicked blow. It slowed up the great defence man, and he has not since been himself. Had it not been for this injury, Boucher would have had a banner season." - Gorman

1924-1925

Game #2 - Ottawa Citizen Dec 4, 1924 (2-1 W vs. MTL)

Position: D (Partner: Hitchman)

Ottawa's had eight penalties, three to Clancy, two each to Georges Boucher and Hooley Smith and one to Captain Nighbor but in no case were their offences of a serious nature.

It was the first time in many years that local hockey patrons had seen an Ottawa team step in as the Senators did last night. Georges Boucher, "King" Clancy and "Hooley" Smith were not long letting their opponents know that they were not going to take their bumps passively. This trio especially, retaliated and even Frank Nighbor, who in scores of previous games, had never played anything but the puck, stepped in and gave body-check for body-check and was playing brilliantly until put out of action.

Coutu drew a penalty for giving Georges Boucher the knee, which threw the Senator defence man sprawling on the ice.

Georges Boucher was suffering from a boll on his hand, which was greatly aggravated by a blow from brother Bill early in the fracas, but "Buck" turned in a splendid game nevertheless.

Press Box Note: Two men who did an immense amount of work were Cy Denneny and Georges Boucher. Both played hard, clean games and were always effective.

Game #4 - Ottawa Citizen Dec 11, 1924 (3-6 L vs. TOR, 1 goal)

Position: D (Partner: Gorman)

And, the Senators were at full strength as far as players go. Georges Boucher was back in his regular place on defence, and Manager Gorman was able to send his strongest lineup, but in the first two periods the Senators displayed the poorest hockey that local fans have ever seen them turn in.

Boucher was below his regular good form the result of a lay-off of a week due to boils(?) but he tried hard all the time, and that's more than can be said for some of his team-mates.

Game #5 - Ottawa Citizen Dec 16, 1924 (10-2 W vs. BOS, 2 goals)

Position: D (Partner: Clancy)

GEORGES BOUCHER, KING CLANCY AND HOOLEY SMITH EACH SCORE TWICE.

G. Boucher came skating down the side lines, feinted past the defense and stuck it in the corner for the Senators' fifth counter.

Boucher's short dribbles were confusing but without score.

Fowler came out twice to break up Senators' attack with Boucher and Denneny carrying.

Boucher slipped a score though Fowler in 12 minutes. It was after a Clancy rebound.

Mr. Frank Ryan referred to the splendid combination of the Ottawa forwards, Nighborm Denneny and H. Smith, and also the brilliant stickhandling of Georges Boucher.

Game #8 - Ottawa Citizen Dec 24, 1924 (1-2 L vs. MTL)

Position: D (Partner: Clancy)

Noble flipped it in Connell, who had little chance on the play (interference).Georges Boucher, who was acting captain in the absence of Frank Nighbor, protested vigorously to no avail.

The first clash occurred between Georges Boucher and Punch Broadbent, but nothing serious happened.

Connell played a good game in the Ottawa's nets, and Boucher and Clancy in front of him played well, the King especially, but the absence of Nighbor compelled Coach Green to use every combination at his disposal...(unreadable).

Game #11 - Ottawa Citizen Jan 5, 1925 (2-0 W vs. HAM)

Position: D (Partner: Clancy)

Boucher went high on a dazzling rush, but Denneny missed the pass.

The goalie made a marvelous stop of a shot from Boucher just as the bell sounded to close the game.

Game note: At one time, Ottawa's were two men short, Nighbor and Clancy decorating Fred Denneny's throne, but Buck Boucher, Denneny and Smith formed a stonewall defence.

Game note: Georges Boucher showed a splendid game all through. Between times he found time and opportunity to extend New Year's felicitations to one Kenneth Randall, an acquaintance of old-standing.

Game #13 - Ottawa Citizen Jan 12, 1925 (4-0 W vs. MTL, 2 goals)

Position: D (Partner: Clancy)

There were plenty of the stiffest variety of body checks. The customers saw Georges Boucher knock heavy Dunc Munro sprawling, with a perfectly fair check when the Montreal defence man was all set to stop him, and they later saw Boucher take a high dive when he glanced off the side of "Dutch" Cain

In the final period, Georges Boucher, single-handed, accounted for two more goals after two of the most brilliant plays ever seen on local ice. In each instance he bewildered his opposition by dazzling stick-handling, combined with speed, the like of which is rarely witnessed on any ice.

The defence of Boucher and Clancy could not have been improved upon.

The Munros, Dunc and Gerald, looked like the best defence pair in Maroon jerseys, but they did not show the class of Boucher and Clancy.

The big four grapplers on Montreal's forward line were unable to get their hoo' on the speedy Senators, and at times they looked quite ordinary as Clancy, Boucher and Nighbor would speed away from them.

Game note: One of the pleasing incidents of the match was a bit of real sportsmanship exhibited by Georges Boucher in the second period. Boucher tore in on one of his several clever rushes, and going between the Maroon defence men. Cain flopped him neatly, but severely, over his knee. It was a nasty tumble , but Buck appreciated the clever blocking of the Montrealer and had a big smile form him when he regained his feet.

Game #14 - Ottawa Citizen Jan 15, 1925 (2-3 L vs. TOR)

Position: D (Partner: Clancy)

...and then Holway and Boucher went off for a sparring match.

Game #16 - Ottawa Citizen Jan 22, 1925 (4-5 L vs. HAM, 1 goal)

Position: D (Partner: Clancy)

Randall and Boucher were both penalized for mixing it.
Game note: One of the pleasing incidents of the match was a bit of real sportsmanship exhibited by Georges Boucher in the second period. Boucher tore in on one of his several clever rushes, and going between the Maroon defence men. Cain flopped him neatly, but severely, over his knee. It was a nasty tumble , but Buck appreciated the clever blocking of the Montrealer and had a big smile form him when he regained his feet.

Game #2 - Ottawa Citizen Dec 4, 1925 (2-0 W vs. BOS, 1 goal)

Position: D (Partner: Clancy/Gorman)

Ex-captain and captain of Ottawa N.H.L. team (under pictures of Nighbor and Boucher, in that order), now league leaders, who turned in clever games against Boston Bruins last night.This pair of veterans will be seen at their best tomorrow night against Pittsburgh Pirates in the Auditorium.

The checking, which was rather feeble in the early part of the period, became a little more (?) near the end.Stan Jackson roughed up(?) with Georges Boucher and both were given minor penalties.No hard feeling prevailed, however, as both were laughing as they headed to the offenders' bench.

CAPT. BOUCHER GETS ONE : (?) Minutes after this period, Boucher went down left boards, dragging out to center and passed the puck to left wing, where Denneny took possession, but the shooting angle was bad from the side and Cy whipped it back to Boucher, who landed the puck in the net before Stewart could see it.The play was easily the best of the night.

Boucher and Clancy were sound defensively, few Bruins getting in a dangerous position, and both rushed well.

Ed Gorman started out on left wing and finished up on the defence with Boucher, Clancy going to the bench. Previous to this Boucher had been given a rest.

Game #6 - Ottawa Citizen Dec 16, 1925 (2-1 W vs. BOS)

Position: D (Partner: Clancy)

Boucher went down all (?) and banged in a warm one that nearly fooled "Doc" Stewart.

The hard work (?) Boucher returned the puck for a (?) on Stewart

Game #8 - Ottawa Citizen Dec 24, 1925 (4-2 W vs. TOR, 3 goals)

Position: D (Partner: Clancy

CAPT. GEORGES BOUCHER STARS IN SENATORS' 4 TO 2 VICTORY OVER ST. PATS IN AUDITORIUM

The locals came back strong in the last period, with Georges Boucher scoring his third goal of the match and putting the game away.

Capt. Georges Boucher Stars: It was a great night for Senators' skipper."Buck" fattened his goal-getting record by three after turning in one more brilliant game, but a few minutes before the contest ended he encountered a little hard luck, when one of his ankles was wrenched sliding into the boards.

Neville replaced Adams repeatedly at center, but couldn't make much headway against Nighbor, Clancy and Boucher, neither could Pete Bellefeuille or Doc Smythe, who took turns on the forward line.

For the locals, Capt. "Buck" Boucher was the outstanding star, although Nighbor did all he was required to do.

King Clancy, out in front, teamed up with Boucher in a strong defence.

When Boucher skipped by the defence and wafted a low one at him.

Boucher broke out alone,.Denneny hustled up onto the job and passed back when Boucher fed him the back at the defence. Buck just reached it and tipped it over Roach, who had gone down to try to save.

Boucher kept right on in a straight line and went between Corbeau and Day. His cross-fire was too much for Roach.

Bert McCaffrey went ambling up right wing, crowded in on Boucher's side and hammered another past Connel from three feet out.

Once more Georges Boucher set out for Roachville. He again fed Denneny and then grabbed the rebound from Cy's shot to peg it back into the hemp.

Georges Boucher was hurt when he stopped Corbeau, his knee being twisted.

Game #11 - Ottawa Citizen Jan 2, 1926 (0-3 L vs. TOR)

Position: D (Partner: Clancy)

Before he scored in the third period, he faed a shot shoved the puck between Georges Boucher's skate and then drove the rubber against the twine with a great shot from the side.

...in the first period, but Clancy, Boucher and Connell played well defensively and broke up numerous promising attacks.

Game #12 - Ottawa Citizen Jan 6, 1926 (4-0 W vs. Maroons)

Position: D (Partner: Clancy)

Captain Georges Boucher, evidently retaliating for a wicked check from Dunc Munro earlier in the game, hooked Dunc in the mouth causing the claret to flow, but the former football star came back into the fray more determined than ever.

Georges Boucher was at his best. His defensive play was sound and his rushes gave the opposition plenty to work over. "Buck" was given a rough ride, but gave back about as much as he received.

Georges Boucher turned in another wonderful game. Buck was there both ways and showed just what a real good hockey player he is by staying in there under plenty of provocation. The Maroo harrying did not bother him a bit.

From end to end they swept, Boucher flooring Munro when the latter was dangerous

Boucher broke through the center with Clancy and Denneny on right and left side respectively, Munro pilled over on the King and Noble had to check Boucher. Buck fed it to Cy and Benny had so little chance to block the blazing drive that he never moved until he turned to pick it out of the net.

Stewart rushed ot the blue line and Boucher brought it back. He rapped Munro in the teeth when the latter checked him and got his second rest.

Stewart continued to look for trouble. He butt-ended Boucher and was chased again.

Game #14 - Ottawa Citizen Jan 12, 1926 (1-0 OT W vs. NYA)

Position: D (Partner: Clancy)

Boucher, who had played a particularly brilliant game, was out for two minutes for Tripping Red Green.

New York fans expected much from the Ottawa team. They had been told all about the great speed of "King" Clancy, the wizardry of Captain Georges Boucher, the wonderful play of Frank Nighbor, the sharpshooting of Cy Denneny, and the great team-play of the boys from Canada's capital. Now they believe it all.

Burch woke the crowd up with a snappy run through the whole Senators' team but Boucher stopped him in the nick of time.

Game #16 - Ottawa Citizen Jan 20, 1926 (2-1 W vs. MTL)

Position: D (Partner: Clancy)

Their defense was really wonderful, Boucher, Clancy and Nighbor completely bottling up the attacking Canadiens, and the goal tending of Connell was again superb.

GOOD TEAM PLAY: [...] Boucher and Clancy played perfectly.

Game #17 - Ottawa Citizen Jan 22, 1926 (3-2 W vs. NYA)

Position: D (Partner: Clancy)

Game notes: Georges Boucher showed Ottawa fans another splendid exhibition. "Buck" was right in his element. The fast, open game gave him plenty of room to do his stuff, and some of his stick work was nothing but dazzling.

Boucher was away for two hard drives

Buck shook Randall up with a high check but it got by.

Game #25 - Ottawa Citizen Feb 17, 1926 (1-0 W vs. MTL)

Position: D (Partner: Clancy)

Georges Boucher Stars.

In the final period and especially toward the end, Canadiens threw everything they had into the offensive. They went down three, and sometimes four, abreast, but found the defence of Georges Boucher and Frank Clancy, ably augmented by Hooley Smith, just about unbeatable.

BUCK AND KING STAR: The work of Captain Georges Boucher and King Clancy, as a defence pair, could not have been improved upon, for they made few mistakes. The Ottawa skipped drew a couple of penalties that he did not think he was entitled to. They appeared to be the results of family feud, Billy and Georges bumping into each other whenever the occasion presented itself. The Ottawa captains' rushes were, as usual, spectacular. His stick-handling was superb, and at times he forced applause from the hostile customers. His generalship had much to do with the Senators victory.

Neither could Canadiens (score) when Georges Boucher was chased for tapping Mantha's sore nose.

ON THE DEFENSIVE: When Clancy was off (on the penalty bench), Georges Boucher gave a perfect exhibition of stickhandling in holding the puck and successfully killing time. He was chased by brother Billy of Canadiens. Georges won the family feud of the moment when Billy was chased for tripping him.

Georges Boucher was chased for heavy play and Ottawa was handicapped.

Game #28 -Ottawa Citizen Feb 24, 1926 (1-1 D vs. Maroons)

Position: D (Partner: Clancy)

GEORGES BOUCHER INJURED AND FORCED OUT OF GAME IN FIRST PERIOD

BOUCHER INJURED: The Ottawa's were unlucky in the win for they had a decided (?) in the play. They were unlucky in more ways than one. Georges Boucher, their brilliant defence player, was put out of action in the first period. He had been playing magnificent hockey up to the time he had a collision with Nels Stewart, mar(?) husky player. The two collided head on like battering rams. Boucher, upon arising, was unable to move his right leg and it was subsequently discovered that he was injured in the groin, despite that, he attempted to resume play in the early part of the second period.

SOUND DEFENCE: Out in front of Connel, Georges Boucher, as already stated, was in grand form until he was forced to leave the ice. His rushes were, as usual, spectacular, and his drives low and dead on the net.

BUCK IMPROVED: Late tonight, Dr. Harry Whitley, who came over with the team, stated that while Georges Boucher's injury was painful, he would be alright in a day or two.

Game #31 - Ottawa Citizen Mar 5, 1926 (1-0 W vs. NYA)

Did not play(?)

The Senators were fortunate in the early part of the season about to close, in escaping serious injuries and took advantage of the condition to race off into a long lead.This lead came in mighty handy recently as Old Man Misfortune finally overtook them and a few of the reliables were incapacitated.

Captain Georges Boucher, Edwin Gorman and "Hooley" Smith were the greatest casualties.

[...]

The Senators' skipper, "Buck" Boucher, is in rather bad shape but will be sound enough to step out against Odie Cleghorn's Pittsburgh Pirates in the Auditorium next monday night, or Dr. Harry Whitley is wrong in his opinion.

1925-1926 PLAYOFFS

OTTAWA SENATORS vs. MONTREAL MAROONS

Game 1: Ottawa Citizen Mar 24, 1926 (1-1 D vs. Maroons)

Position: D (Partner: Clancy)

CLANCY RISES TO STARDOM - Georges Boucher And Frank Nighbor Lead Senators In Brilliant Uphill Battle On Montreal Ice.

OTTAWA DEFENCE GREAT: The fact that the Maroons obtained only one goal was due largely to the brilliant work of the Ottawa defence pair, Clancy and Boucher, who broke up rush after rush in the Ottawa defence.

ALL OTTAWAS GOOD: It would be difficult to pick out an Ottawa star on the Senators' team, for they all played excellent hockey except in the second period, when the line appeared somewhat demoralized, but once they all got in their stride they were able to a little more than hold their own. Alex Connell gave a good exhibition regardless of the long shot that beat him, and the defence of Clancy and Boucher could hardly be improved upon.

Bill Phillips tricked his way by two Ottawa forwards, but Boucher saved.

Stewart rushed to the Ottawa defence. He was laid low by Georges Boucher and the crowd roared like mad.It was ruled a fair body.

Noble stopped Boucher's rush (down 4 men vs. 6), but kicked the puck in clearing.

Phillips tricked Nighbor at center, but could not beat Boucher. Boucher rushed and was felled(?) at the defence by Siebert's tough body.

Noble sensed a break and he rushed. He outguessed Gorman and Boucher, but with the goaler at his mercy, could not beat the brilliant Connell in the Ottawa net.

Georges Boucher was chased for heavy play on Siebert and the Maroons had an edge in man power.

Georges Boucher and Siebert started a private feud, but it was all words.

Boucher chopped at Stewart and was warned.

Georges Boucher was showing signs of ill-temper and was finally chased for a high-stick on Munro's head.

BOUCHER IN ARGUMENT: Georges Boucher gave Referee Hewitson an argument on being warned for packing a high stick.

Montreal was doing most of the attacking, but the Ottawa defense was impregnable.

"BUCK" SEES RED: Georges Boucher was stopped by Broadbent and objected. Munro talked to Boucher when he remonstrated with Broadbent. Boucher threw his glove in Munro's face and was chased. Stewart jostled Boucher as he skated among players hunting for his lost mitten and Stewart was benched.

ECHOES FRO MTHE BIG BATTLE: Kin Clancy's spectacular dashes and Boucher's remarkable stickhandling in the first session evoked cheers even from the extremely partisan crowd.

ECHOES FROM THE BIG BATTLE: Captain Georges Boucher was the outstanding player among the Ottawa in the second period, but was given a very heavy ride by the bulky Maroon defence, so much so that Georges retaliated on one occasion and drew a penalty.

Game 2: Montreal Gazette Mar 29, 1926 (0-1 L, Maroons wins the series 2-1)

Position: D (Partner: Clancy)

MAROONS CAPTURED N.H.L. TITLE WITH WIN OVER OTTAWA

Georges Boucher drew an early penalty for a high one on Phillips

Stewart stole the puck from Boucher behind the Ottawa net and Broadbent joined in a scramble around Connell's cage.

It was the victory of an up and coming young team, one possessing speed, experience, craft and above all, club spirit, over a machine which could not stand the withering and heavy pace of the younger opposition. It was heavy going for such veterans as Nighbor, Denneny and Georges Boucher. Ottawa had not recovered from Thursday's game.

1926-1927

Game #7 - Ottawa Citizen Dec 8, 1926 (3-2 W vs. CHI, 1 goal)

Position: LD (Partner: Clancy)

Boucher tied it up by a beautiful shot with only five seconds left in the period shooting from the left of the rink after a hard drive through the Chicago defence (on the power play).

"King" Clancy, Boucher, Hooley Smith and Adams also did some brilliant work.

Kilrea just missed a shot after a pretty pass from Boucher.

Boucher is causing Chicago plenty of trouble.

Game #8 - Ottawa Citizen Dec 10, 1926 (3-1 W vs. DET, 1 goal)

Position: LD (Partner: Clancy)

"Buck" Outguess "Happy": Georges Boucher's drive wasn't a fluke- it was just a slip on the part of the cougar custodian.

Next to Nighbor and Smith, Clancy, Boucher and Kilrea were most prominent for the Senators. The defence men contributed some brilliant puck-carrying, as well as sturdy defending, while Kilrea was a "skating fool" all night.

Game #10 - Ottawa Citizen Dec 15, 1926 (2-0 W vs. NYA)

Position: D (Partner: Clancy)

The final period found the Americans fighting furiously, but once more they were turned aside by the magnificent defensive machine, consisting of Connell, Clancy and Boucher, aided always by a (?) set of forwards who skipped from the advanced trenches to aid those behind at every sign of danger.

Burch knowed the under pinning from Georges Boucher as a start to the last period, evidently by way of wiping off an old score.

The defence of Connell, Clancy and Boucher, for the Ottawa team, was the best ever seen in this city, and if the forwards made any mistakes they were not visible to the naked eye.

Game #13 - Ottawa Citizen Dec 24, 1926 (1-0 W vs. NYR)

Position: D (Partner: Clancy)

The Boucher-Clancy defence again worked to perfection, and both carried a lot of trouble to their opponents when they began rushes towards the New York net. Boucher's stickhandling was superb as it usually is, and the speed of Clancy, on different occasions, carried him well into Rangers territory for wicked shots on Winkler.

Game #16 - Ottawa Citizen Jan 5, 1927 (1-2 OT L vs. BOS)

Position: D (Partner: Clancy)

Clancy, who battled with Sprague Cleghoirn, was banished three times, and Boucher twice.

Game #18 - Ottawa Citizen Jan 12, 1927 (4-1 W vs. TOR)

Brydge and McCaffrey could not come to the mark set by Boucher and Clancy.

Bailey and Carson worked well together but Ottawa's defence was too much for them.They didn't get by Clancy and Boucher very oftren, and when they did, they had "Shutout" Alex Connell to deal with, and Connell was on his best behavior last night, although he did not have near the amount ogf work to do that his rival, Roach, had to contend with.

Game #26 - Ottawa Citizen Feb 2 (2-4 L vs. NYA)

Position: LD (Partner: Clancy)

Boucher engineered one of his many rushes and was chased into the corner.He raced the puck around to Kilrea who (?) against the fence, passed it out in front.

Georges Boucher was immense. He checked hard and cleanly, engineered any number of dangerous attacks and worked Forbes into a state of frenzy with his smoking smashes at the American cage.

Game #28 - Ottawa Citizen Feb 10, 1927 (3-5 L vs. CHI)

Boucher stole the puck from Dick Irvin, when the Chicago captain had skated clear for a free shot at Connell in front of him. It was a pretty play.

Clancy and Boucher played well for the Senators.

The Senators started out with a rush. Boucher, Kilrea and Hooley Smith making matters hot for the Hawks, and breaking through time after time and fighting desperately to score.

Game #30 - Ottawa Citizen Feb 16, 1927 (2-2 D vs. NYR)

Position: D (Partner: Clancy)

Boucher and Clancy played their usual strong game on defence, holding out such clever goal-getters as the Cook brothers and stopping the rushes of the ponderous defencemen, Abel and Johnson, and they were also conspicuous with telling rushes on the New York net. The speed of Clancy and the stickhandling of Boucher were roundly applauded time after time.

Extra (Ottawa Journal same date): The body thumping exchanges between George Boucher and Ching Johnson were particularly inspiriting.

Game #33 - Ottawa Citizen Feb 23, 1927 (2-1 OT W vs. MTL)

Position: D (Partner: Clancy)

...the clever blocking and offensive of Herb Gardiner, Sylvio Mantha and Albert Leduc for Canadiens was fully equalled by the work of King Clancy, Georges Boucher and Alex Smith.

Georges Boucher appeared to be in a rather hostile mood, regardless of the fact that his playing was up to its usual standard. He stickhandled his way time after time for powerful drives on Hainsworth, but for some reason or other he seemed to run foul of not a few of the customers.

Georges Boucher was given his first penalty for riding Leduc into the boards.

Game #36 - Ottawa Citizen Mar 4, 1927 (2-1 W vs. PIT)

Position: D (Clancy)

GEORGES BOUCHER INJURED

Boucher was carried off the ice when he collided with White in front of Pittsburgh's net. He suffered a leg injury.

Game #39 - Ottawa Citizen Mar 14, 1927 (4-3 W vs. NYA)

Did not play.

Game #41 - Ottawa Citizen Mar 18, 1927 (1-0 W vs. BOS)

Position: D (Partner: Clancy)

CAPT. GEORGES BOUCHER BACK IN ACTION, SHOWS GOOD PERFORMANCE

"BUCK" COMES BACK: More pleasing to Manager Gill than the winning of the game from the Bruins was the return of Captain Georges Boucher."Buck" started and he also finished the game, showing little sign of favoring the injured leg, whoich had kept him out of action for some time.

Buck Boucher, making his first local appearance in several games, put up a masterful performance on the Senatorial defence, routing Oliver or Frederickson whenever they succeeded in outwitting the first line of defence.

Game #43 - Ottawa Citizen Mar 25, 1927 (4-0 W vs. TOR)


Position: D (Partner: Clancy)

GEORGES BOUCHER AGAIN PUT OUT OF COMMISSION

Early in the game, Brydge mixed it up with Georges Boucher, but the latter only was penalized.

A few minutes afterward, the same offender (?) his knee to trip Georges Boucher and gave the latter a bad fall. Boucher had to be carried off the ice in the dressing room, where Dr. Whitler attended his injury. After the game, it was announced that while the Ottawa's captain may not play against the Maroons on Saturday night, he will be alright for the playoffs.

Georges Boucher and Slim Halderson carried on a vendetta all evening, and enlivened the game by alternately dumping each other.

1926-1927 PLAYOFFS

OTTAWA SENATORS VS. MONTREAL CANADIENS

Game 1: The Ottawa Journal - Apr 3, 1927 (4-0 W vs.MTL)


Position: D (Partner: Clancy)

Boucher and Hooley Smith went tearing down together and Hooley was checked right at the goal mouth.

Clancy went off for tripping and affairs look ominous. Georges Boucher then put on a stickhandling act that brought down the house to keep Canadiens chasing him till Kilrea came on."Buck" broke away again, and Mantha got in front of his terrific shot that hit him above the knee, and apprently hurt as he tottered back to his position.

Game Notes: "Buck" Boucher played a perfect game. When Ottawa's went two men short he performed prodigies of stickhandling, and he rose to great defensive heights.In the third period he did a lot of useful rushing, and while a bit timind about his knee at the start looked like the skipper at his best at the finish.

Game Notes: Boucher worked some flashy stickwork at times. He wisely contented himself with defensive play most of the time, and let Clancy do the rushing.

Game 2: Ottawa Citizen Apr 5, 1927 (1-1 D vs. MTL, Ottawa wins series 5-1)


Position: D (Partner: Clancy)

Connell in the Ottawa net played brilliantly, stopping many shots that were ticketed through and the defence of King Clancy and Georges Boucher was at its best.

Boucher came down and tested Hainsworth from the blueline.

Mantha faked a pass near center to Joliat and swept in between Clancy and Boucher to beat Connell clearly. It was a great play on Mantha's part.

Morenz almost counted on the sensational rush, Boucher hoisted him off his pins and saved a goal but took a penalty.

Boucher raced down center and went down as Leduc stepped into him.

Boucher checked Gagne out of Leduc's pass at the defence.

1927 Stanley Cup Finals

Game 1: The Ottawa Journal - Apr 8, 1927 (0-0 T vs. BOS)

Position: D (Partner: Clancy)

The second penalty of the game went to Georges Boucher, Ottawa defence man, who attempted to wrap his stick around Shore's head. The period ended with him in the penalty box.

Georges Boucher took a pot shot from the blueline and Winkler never saw the puck until it struck his pads.

Georges Boucher had a wonderful scoring chance when he grabbed a loose puck after Shore failed to clear quickly.Winkley took the resulting shot right on his pads, however.

Game Notes: Boucher kept to his knitting and was sound defensively. His experience was a big help. He is an old timer in these Stanley Cup events.

Game 2: The Ottawa Journal - Apr 11, 1927 (3-1 W vs. BOS)

Position: D (Partner: Clancy)

Only once after the third period did Ottawa send three men up together. That was in the third period when George Boucher got a jump and bored down on the Boston defence with an unchecked wing on either side of him. A pass to Denneny, however, went wrong and a good chance to score with it.

Game Notes: George Boucher played canny hockey and his stick-work was always impressive. Bruins tried to draw him into battle but he kept his head in good style. Boucher wouldn't let himself be swayed from his purpose. Bruins had a definite plan of baiting him but it fell flat and Boucher pursued the even tenor of his way though he was molested time after time with nudging butt ends.

Game 3: Ottawa Citizen Apr 12, 1927 (1-1 D vs. BOS)

Georges Boucher and Alex Smith, Ottawa's other defencemen (other than Clancy), played cleverly. The former received a couple of bad tosses which slowed him up considerably, but his defence was sound, and he rushed through repeatedly on clever stickhandling jaunts for shots on the Boston net.

Eddie Shore and Georges Boucher led in trips to the penalty bench, each with four, but in favor of those two players it may be said that a couple of the penalties to each might have been withheld.

Lionel Hitchman played a great game for the Bruins. He and Georges Boucher waged a private feud for the greater part of the evening with honors even.

Georges Boucher was chased for dumping Herberts on the defence.

Game 3 (Extra): The Ottawa Journal - Apr 12, 1927 (1-1 T vs. BOS)

Position: D (Partner: Clancy)

Fronting Connell the old guard of Boucher and Clancy reveared their best hockey. Clancy was a sensation on attack, and a Gibraiter(?) on defence. Boucher was adamantine(?) on defence.Once he picked the puck off Herberts stick when the latter was sweeping in on Connell much as Nighbor does after forwards think they have evaded his long stick. He met Boston forwards head on and regardless of consequences.

Game 4: Ottawa Citizen Apr 14, 1927 (3-1 W vs. BOS, Ottawa wins Stanley Cup)

Position: D (Partner Clancy)

The feud which had existed between Lionel Hitchman and Hooley Smith, broke out when there was but five minutes remaining, and after the two players slashed at each oher along the left boards near the Ottawa net, they squared away to finish the affair under the Marquis of Queennsbury rules.Captain Georges Boucher of the Ottawa's, went to the assistance of his teammate and he and Hitchman exchanged wallops for which they were banished by Referee Jerry Laflamme for the remainder of the game.

The defence of King Clancy and Georges Boucher was fully up to its highest standard each playing a superior brand of hockey.

Georges Boucher made a spectacular rush but his shot was off the mark.

Boucher relieved a Fredrickson-Cleghorn rush and shot through the defence.Winkler moving quick to save.It was a smart play on "Buck"'s part.

Georges Boucher opened the firing in the last period with a long shot.

LOOKING IN ON THE CLOSING CUP GAME: The "insiders" got a rude jolt last night when the two men who were supposed to be "done" at the beginning of the season stood out as three-star heroes in the Senatorial triumph. Captain Georges Boucher led his Senators in brilliant fashion, while the antics of one Cy Denneny were a treat to behold.

1927-1928

The Ottawa Citizen - Dec 27, 1927

Boucher is playing the best hockey of his career and if there is any man on the Ottawa team at present time deserving of the most valuable player award it is the game George Boucher. "Buck" has scored many goals for Ottawa this winter, goals which have come at opportune times and only for the fact George Hainsworth was playing the game of his life last night. Boucher would have whipped in at least one goal. He absorbed plenty of punishment in Canadiens goalwards thrusts but he took it all with a grin- at the same time evening up for any sly cracks that came his way.

... The defensive and offensive brilliancy of George Boucher, Frank Clancy, XXXX XXXXX and Frank Nighbor and the gallant forward line movements of Punch Broadbent, Len Grosvenor and Cy Denneny

Boucher whizzed Gardiner's cap off with a hard body check.

Leduc came barging through and Boucher flattened him.

1928-1929

Ottawa Citizen, Feb 15, 1929***TRADE***

SENATORS TRADE GEORGES BOUCHER FOR ''JOE'' LAMB

NO MONEY INVOLVED BY WHICH MAROONS SECURE ONE OF THE GREAT STARS OF HIS GENERATION

The announcement that from Montreal last night that Georges Boucher, veteran defenceman and captain of the Senators, had been traded for Joe Lamb, while it created some surprise was a move that was anticipated in Ottawa hockey circles, at least as far as the departure of Boucher to the Maroons went.It was known that Boucher himself desired a trade and that he desired to play for some other team and that his old mate on the defence in the halcyon days of Ottawa pro-hockey, Eddie Gerard, would like to have his services.

The departure of Georges Boucher leaves only Frank Nighbor of the old guard of the Senators of 1921 onwards, who compiled the greatest record of any team in pro hockey during the past eight years, if not in the history of hockey. Georges was a great player, a player whose name will go down in the history of the game as one of the most famous stars of a generation. And whatever may have been his last few efforts in Ottawa, he was never ruled off for not trying and the local fans will long remember the greatest stick-handler of them all the last survivor of a generation of pro players, who if they could not skate with the present players could stick-handle all around them.

Georges, still a young man in years has slowed down somewhat due in a large measure to his own stick-handling brilliancy in his palmy days, when the only way some defences could get him was to trip him. His legs were badly battered in those days, and the strain of continuous play. Georges seldom got relief, told on his speed. In new surroundings with plenty of relief he should have some, perhaps many years, of usefulness left and he has many friends in Ottawa who wish him all the luck there is in his new surroundings.

One by one the heroes of 1923 and preceding years have gone. In the great Stanley Cup series of 1923 the Ottawa's cleaned Vancouver at the coast. Of that great team only Nighbor is left. Clancy a mere stripling, was breaking in then. The line-up was: Benedict, Cleghorn, Gerard, Boucher, Nighbor, Broadbent and Darragh. They left a record that may never be equalled in this generation, and of that doughty crew Boucher was one of the greatest.

The Ottawa Journal - Feb 15, 1929 ***TRADE***

A MAIN COG

Boucher has been one of the main cogs in the Senator machine since joining them and is regarded as one of the most durable defence players in the game. He is regarded by hockey authorities as one of the best stickhanbdler of all-time while his steady defensive style has always been a feature of his play.

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He has always been a gamester and has given his best efforts while playing with the red, white and black machine.

Thanks, but that's not primarily what he was talking about. He referred to my Ottawa Dynasty playoff project from the Top 100. Furthermore, what you posted (the Boucher bio) was included as an extra in my post just above yours. As it is what you posted just takes up a lot of space and doesn't help to measure Boucher's importance compared to his teammates. When I did that bio what I wanted was to describe Boucher's game, not compare it to anyone.

You should delete it as it clusters the thread for nothing.
 
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I think highly of Modano. You're right, he never had that one defining season, but he was consistently great (franchise centre) from year to year (much like his contemporary Mats Sundin). Very few players at that level were so steady from year to year.

One thing to keep in mind with Modano is Bob Gainey gradually molded him into a responsible two-way forward (and Ken Hitchcock kept him in that role). Watch him play in, say, 1993 and 2000, and the difference is clear. We can't give players credit for what they could have done, but I think it's fair to recognize that Modano could have scored more if he focused less on defense (or was given a more offense-oriented linemate than Jere Lehtinen).

Comparing him to Sundin (once again) - I have little hesitation in ranking Modano higher. Their production is close (their seven and ten year VsX are within a couple of points of each other). Sundin was adequate defensively but Modano was much stronger. Modano has a better playoff resume. And although Sundin is (correctly) recognized for producing with relatively weak linemates, the same is true of Modano (yes he played on stronger teams, but that's mostly due to better defensive players, which doesn't boost his scoring totals). The one thing that keeps this comparison close is Sundin was excellent in international tournaments.

I still need to put together my list but I suspect I'll have Modano around 150th and Sundin around 200th.

Thank you for the insight. Honestly, you took the words out of my mouth and planted some new insights into my head at the same time. I forget that Gainey was influential in Modano becoming who he evolved into. Makes me appreciate him more because now I’m thinking he was making a conscious decision to at least sacrifice points for wins. Sounds a lot like Yzerman around 95.

Weirdly enough, while I’m absolutely going to consider the Sundin discussion you offered, I never thought he was a fringe candidate. Maybe growing up in Buffalo be busy always loomed large with us, but I thought he was a given for top 200.

I’m glad I can get this feedback. I want my list to evolve.
 

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Thanks, but that's not primarily what he was talking about. He referred to my Ottawa Dynasty playoff project from the Top 100. Furthermore, what you posted (the Boucher bio) was included as an extra in my post just above yours. As it is what you posted just takes up a lot of space and doesn't help to measure Boucher's importance compared to his teammates. When I did that bio what I wanted was to describe Boucher's game, not compare it to anyone.

You should delete it as it clusters the thread for nothing.

I was 32 when I started scrolling through that post. I am now 89. It was worth it.


Kidding, that was a very long-winded appreciation of a player, I just honestly don't think I could ever read through half of that.
 

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I think this is a good way of looking at it. As I mentioned, I haven't put together my list yet, but this is how I was planning to approach it.

There's 289 players in the HOF. 8 of them are women (I assume the list is men only - no?). So that's 281 male players.

We can pretty easily discard from the top 220 a number of HOF'ers- Lowe, Boivin, Wilson, Zubov, Duff, Shutt, Bauer, Gillies, Andreychuk, Ciccarelli, Mullen, LaFontaine, McDonald, Laprade, Smith, Weiland, and Cheevers. (I'm not even going into players like Anderson, Nieuwendyk, Federko, Carbonneau, Gartner, Neely, and Housley - who I can see some, although weaker, arguments for). That gets us down to around 260.

But then you have a bunch of players who are clearly deserving who aren't yet in the Hall - say a dozen European players, plus Jagr, Crosby, Ovechkin, Kane, McDavid, Thornton, Bergeron, Chara, Keith, Karlsson, Lundqvist. Then there's borderline players like Alfredsson, Toews, the Sedins, Elias, Roenick, Fleury, Zetterberg, Datsyuk, Stamkos, Luongo, etc. That gets us back to around 290.

The point is - as a general rule of thumb, if you're ranking 220 players, they should be clearly above the bottom rung of the Hall of Fame. (Going back to what someone said before about Barasso - personally I'd have him in the Hall but I recognize that he'd be in the lower tier. So for that reason I doubt he'll make my list).

I've been trying to rank my list on a similar basis. This has, again, been insightful. But the thing where I get real crossed (in the bottom 100s) involves the Sedins. Everything in my nature wants to exclude them. I took the latest Top-100 to heart when I started making this list and I'm going to call that gospel for me. Others can disagree. But the Sedins just don't push the dial for me. I always thought that Daniel would have done better on his own than Henrik, but Henrik has the accolades. I'm also the person hell-bent on discounting St. Louis, but I lost that argument.
 

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I enjoyed your write-up and look forward to the next one.

How would you weigh the importance of domestic vs international performance for CSSR players?

That's a good question... International championships, Olympic tournaments were obviously the culmination of the whole season - similarly to NHL playoffs. WHC golden medal was an equivalent for the Stanley Cup win for the Euro players. Quality of WHCs hockey was regarded as higher than that of domestic leagues.

On the other side, CSSR league maintained a very high level specifically during 1968-1979 period (since 1980 there was a decline observed and noted by long-time writers). Players' performances were continuously evaluated in the press by coaches, writers, ex-players and so on. There were domestic titles to be won by the best teams, there were bottom teams neck and neck fighting to avoid relegation. This is to say that domestic performance mattered a lot too and should matter to us too. After all, a plurality of games played by a CSSR player typically consisted of league games.

CSSR league also didn't suffer from some structural problems that Soviet league had to dealt with. There wasn't one or three teams able to seemingly steal any player at will and keep him indefinitely. CSSR league did have one or two army teams (Dukla Jihlava...) but they usually drafted only young players with potential. These young talents had to spent from 6 months to 2 years in Dukla where they'd undergone the most sophisticated and demanding training. They then came back to their hometown teams as fully fledged players. Every league team had at least one National team member, so there was always a great parity - although not as much as todays NHL; CSSR league still had its dynasties...

But what does it mean in practice? I don't think participants need to suddenly start studying the League at all, that would be too time-consuming and complicated for everyone... Luckily there were regular Golden Stick votings determining best Czech and Slovak players from 1969 onwards. These votings were almost always conducted in 5 phases during a season with the last phase consisting of a lot more voters. Bulkier 5th phase had an effect of putting a bit more weight on the season climax (WHCs) compared to earlier stages. GS voting result was then more or less an effective measure of each player's seasonal performance that collectively weighed the importance of domestic vs. international play.

The ratios surely varied each time, but for example @Theokritos once counted that F. Pospíšil's portion of votes from 1972 (when he won all 5 phases of vote) came roughly 40% from this 5th phase, while 60% of his points came cumulatively from the first 4 phases... That is not say that Pospíšil's 1972 Golden Stick came strictly on the basis of 40-60 ratio of his international / domestic performance since electors in that last phase were technically obliged to take into account the season as a whole (unlike those first 4 stages), but... it gives you an idea.
 
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I think this is a good way of looking at it. As I mentioned, I haven't put together my list yet, but this is how I was planning to approach it.

There's 289 players in the HOF. 8 of them are women (I assume the list is men only - no?). So that's 281 male players.

We can pretty easily discard from the top 220 a number of HOF'ers- Lowe, Boivin, Wilson, Zubov, Duff, Shutt, Bauer, Gillies, Andreychuk, Ciccarelli, Mullen, LaFontaine, McDonald, Laprade, Smith, Weiland, and Cheevers. (I'm not even going into players like Anderson, Nieuwendyk, Federko, Carbonneau, Gartner, Neely, and Housley - who I can see some, although weaker, arguments for). That gets us down to around 260.

But then you have a bunch of players who are clearly deserving who aren't yet in the Hall - say a dozen European players, plus Jagr, Crosby, Ovechkin, Kane, McDavid, Thornton, Bergeron, Chara, Keith, Karlsson, Lundqvist. Then there's borderline players like Alfredsson, Toews, the Sedins, Elias, Roenick, Fleury, Zetterberg, Datsyuk, Stamkos, Luongo, etc. That gets us back to around 290.

The point is - as a general rule of thumb, if you're ranking 220 players, they should be clearly above the bottom rung of the Hall of Fame. (Going back to what someone said before about Barasso - personally I'd have him in the Hall but I recognize that he'd be in the lower tier. So for that reason I doubt he'll make my list).

I've got three players from the easily discarded list on my list.

And three more from weaker argument guys.

I won't say who they are as I'm rather sensitive to ridicule.
 

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Just a few years before the rise of professional hockey, the title of best player in the game was generally debated between Frank McGee and Tommy Phillips. Yet, they don't seem to be on the same discussion planet as Nighbor, Taylor, or Lalonde, who peaked just a very few years later. I'm not trying to drag down Nighbor, Taylor, and Lalonde, because those guys were incredible, but something here seems a bit amiss to me. I see two possibilities: 1) Nighbor, Taylor, and Lalonde were just such incredible talents that they stood out a mile above everyone else in their era, or 2) there's too much of an emphasis placed on the transition from the amateur game to the professional game, and too little credit is given to the top players in the final years before the advent of widespread pro leagues. Personally, my instincts tell me that there's probably a bit of truth to both, but I'm not very sure where to put the balance. I'd be interested to know which professional players who were on top of their game say, 1920 and earlier are most comparable to someone like McGee and Phillips in the minds of other posters.
 

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I've got three players from the easily discarded list on my list.

And three more from weaker argument guys.

I won't say who they are as I'm rather sensitive to ridicule.

Who are they? I haven't actually put together my list, so it was based more on first impressions. It's possible that I'm wrong - just don't let my wife know.
 

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Just a few years before the rise of professional hockey, the title of best player in the game was generally debated between Frank McGee and Tommy Phillips. Yet, they don't seem to be on the same discussion planet as Nighbor, Taylor, or Lalonde, who peaked just a very few years later. I'm not trying to drag down Nighbor, Taylor, and Lalonde, because those guys were incredible, but something here seems a bit amiss to me. I see two possibilities: 1) Nighbor, Taylor, and Lalonde were just such incredible talents that they stood out a mile above everyone else in their era, or 2) there's too much of an emphasis placed on the transition from the amateur game to the professional game, and too little credit is given to the top players in the final years before the advent of widespread pro leagues. Personally, my instincts tell me that there's probably a bit of truth to both, but I'm not very sure where to put the balance. I'd be interested to know which professional players who were on top of their game say, 1920 and earlier are most comparable to someone like McGee and Phillips in the minds of other posters.

Not just McGee and Phillips. Hod Stuart and Russell Bowie were in the mix too.

Generally speaking, that generation of hockey players was composed of mainly the sons of fairly wealthy folks, from a select few cities in Eastern Canada, so the talent pool wasn't nearly as large as it would become in subsequent generations.

Hard to know just how good those players were, but a "rule of thumb" some of us seem to use here is to consider the best of that generation to be approximately as good as the second tier stars of the next generation. See for example Hod Stuart being ranked somewhere between Eddie Gerard and Moose Johnson on the HOH Top defensemen list. Not saying that's the "right" answer to something with so much uncertainly, just that it's something that seems to work for a lot of us.
 
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