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Lol no Mack daddy is two. Did you watch the Calgary series? He’s close to McDavid IMO

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His performance in that series was only remarkable from how often kypreos was salivating very time Mack did anything half decent and blowed it up on the big screen. He plays well, he was clutch he was the best player. He wasn’t Jesus. That’s what mcdavid is. Considering Eichel has a better career points per game then Mackinnon and plays on teams who score a significant amount less, and is faster proved at the skillls Competition two years in a row in speed skating, had better transitions Numbers that means Eichel must be close to mcdavid too! and he’s not.

Calgary was an inexperienced team who didn’t I use what made them successful in the regular season. You could argue they beat themselves. Mike smith was s their best player that says enough.
 

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His performance in that series was only remarkable from how often kypreos was salivating very time Mack did anything half decent and blowed it up on the big screen. He plays well, he was clutch he was the best player. He wasn’t Jesus. That’s what mcdavid is. Considering Eichel has a better career points per game then Mackinnon and plays on teams who score a significant amount less, and is faster proved at the skillls Competition two years in a row in speed skating, had better transitions Numbers that means Eichel must be close to mcdavid too! and he’s not.

Calgary was an inexperienced team who didn’t I use what made them successful in the regular season. You could argue they beat themselves. Mike smith was s their best player that says enough.
The good old PPG, P/60 and G/60 strikes again ! Good lord how both those stats are overused by Matthews and Eichel fans both who never scored more than 85pts. Sure Eichel the 82 pts career high is closer to Mcdavid than the guy that went two straight seasons with 97 and 99 pts. Thanks for the laugh. As for the last part, Avs are as inexperienced as the Flames. That was their second playoffs appearance in 5 years while Flames got to play two years ago. Terrible excuse to use for a team that was just badly outplayed. Give credit where it's due maybe the Avs were just that good at holding down Gaudreau and Monahan.
 
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How exactly did I cherry pick the last two years when I literally listed all of their stats?

We’re not talking about Bergeron 6 years ago, were not talking about potential. The list is asking who is the best players RIGHT NOW.

Bergeron has been just as good offensively while blowing Matthews out of the water defensively and neutralizing him in the playoffs over the last two seasons.

Matthews will likely be a better player over his career, but he isn’t there yet.
Why did you use the last three years? The whole sample size for Matthews being in the league. Because it doesn’t fit your narrative. That’s cherry picking.

And again, this isn’t Bergeron 6 years ago. This is Bergeron every single year except last. He didn’t all of a sudden become a better offensive player at 33. He put up better numbers than Matthews last year because of his line mates, and that’s it. I know you know this.
 

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You must agree that Pastrnak is better than Matthews then if he can turn Marchand/Bergeron from 50 and 60pt players into 100pt players? No?
No. I think Pastrnak is a fantastic player and I think great players compliment each other and make each other better. Matthews puts up similar numbers, if not better, than all 3 of them and he doesn’t have the luxury of playing with two other great players.

If Matthews played with Marchand and pastrnak or rantanen and landeskog, I truly believe Matthews would consistently (on average) be in the top 3 for points and lead the league in scoring, as long as he stays healthy. Bergeron does not have that kind of offensive talent, I’m sorry.
 

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Why did you use the last three years? The whole sample size for Matthews being in the league. Because it doesn’t fit your narrative. That’s cherry picking.

And again, this isn’t Bergeron 6 years ago. This is Bergeron every single year except last. He didn’t all of a sudden become a better offensive player at 33. He put up better numbers than Matthews last year because of his line mates, and that’s it. I know you know this.

17/18 season when he put up basically the same numbers as Matthews then dominated him in the playoffs must of just been teammates too right?
 

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No. I think Pastrnak is a fantastic player and I think great players compliment each other and make each other better. Matthews puts up similar numbers, if not better, than all 3 of them and he doesn’t have the luxury of playing with two other great players.

If Matthews played with Marchand and pastrnak or rantanen and landeskog, I truly believe Matthews would consistently (on average) be in the top 3 for points and lead the league in scoring, as long as he stays healthy. Bergeron does not have that kind of offensive talent, I’m sorry.

So again, Pastrnak was the reason both bergeron/Marchand went from 50pt guys the season before to 100pt guys 2 years later? Or MAYBE was it because the Bruins got a new coach who actually used them offensively instead of line matching like before?
 

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So again, Pastrnak was the reason both bergeron/Marchand went from 50pt guys the season before to 100pt guys 2 years later? Or MAYBE was it because the Bruins got a new coach who actually used them offensively instead of line matching like before?
They were both above 60pt players before Pastrnak got there. But even if we say 60, yes Pastrnak boosted them up a lot. However, don't forget that scoring league wide has been increasing the past couple years as well, particularly last year.

How exactly did Cassidy use them more offensively though? I am curious. Just the system he uses? Bergeron has always been their number 1 centerman, and they've needed him to step up in the past with krejcis injuries, and he's never shown any elite offensive talent.
 

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17/18 season when he put up basically the same numbers as Matthews then dominated him in the playoffs must of just been teammates too right?
One playoff series doesn't change anything. It's such a small sample size. But yes, again Bergeron had the far better linemates. And if I remember correctly, the reason MAtthews and Nylander weren't able to get going was because of Chara. He was solid that series. His long reach left them no room to get in and play around with the puck like they were used to in the regular season.
 

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They were both above 60pt players before Pastrnak got there. But even if we say 60, yes Pastrnak boosted them up a lot. However, don't forget that scoring league wide has been increasing the past couple years as well, particularly last year.

How exactly did Cassidy use them more offensively though? I am curious. Just the system he uses? Bergeron has always been their number 1 centerman, and they've needed him to step up in the past with krejcis injuries, and he's never shown any elite offensive talent.

So Pastrnak is good enough to vault Marchand to a top 3 offensive player over the last 3 years? Impressive!

A quick search would show you that yes it’s a much more offensive system and instead of giving Bergeron so many defensive starts and line matching, he lets them go out and do their thing
 
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I completely agree. No one wants to acknowledge that he’s getting overrated and I like the guy but he is.

He gets a lot of his praise because of the Canadian media, I get he’s the center in the line and is fast out there but my god Rantanen is a beast out there too and has way better numbers starting his career And landeskog is a great puck possession player. In fact landeskog is good at everything.

Mackinnon was a 60ish or less pt guy for Like half decade then boom Rantanen shows up and he doubles, yes Doubles his production. Now he’s a top three forward I guess.


Eichel that low is a joke. Draisaitl ten spots above Eichel is hilarious. I’m sorry but Draisaitl couldn’t anchor a second line when he was tasked with this assignment by two different coaches and gets to play with the best player in the league who gift wraps him so many glorious scoring chances. amazing season absolutely but a lot of
Those points on those 3 on 3,s with Connor the powerplay with Connor the first line with Connor, he’s like a magnet. There’s a reason he can’t play on the second line. He absolutely needs Connor. I know their weren’t scoring wingers in Edmonton on line two, that didn’t stop Eichel from scoring at a point per game clip with girgensens and Rodrigues as linemates when he had a league low scoring team. Mackinnon had an awful season when this was the case for him. But for Eichel? Nah he only got 64 in 67 with a team outside him that scored 173 goals. Also this guys list His criteria was last year wasn’t going to be everything so not sure why a guy who’s literally in the best spot to get points (with mcdavid) is above a guy who is in the worst so spot to get points in Eichel. Playing on the worst teams that barely score.



Fact: Eichel has scored 201 pts in his last 203 games in the past three years despite always facing the best defensemen every shift, an awful supporting cast and two sprained ankles. And he’s not even 23. Before going down in injury in December 2018 Jack Eichel lead the league in shoes (still finished top five despite missing here weeks and with that was also very high in scoring chances as well) he lead the league in multi point games behind only Mackinnon and Rantanen with 17 at the time in December. He was third in primary assists only behind mcdavid and marner. He as fifth in offensive zone possession only behind Panarin mcdavid and Barzal. He was he highest scoring eastern center not names Brayden point. He was third in total assists, he was 7th in total points, was over a plus 5 (which is like a plus fifteen difference from previous seasons completely change going his defensive game while becoming captain) amongst other things while remaining a top skater and transition player. Also the captain of a team that was first place in the entire NHL.


He also finished the season as the only player in the top 25 to not have a single
Teammate get over 63 points.

But yeah let’s rank Leon “I get twenty mcdavid chances” a period Draisaitl above that. I wouldn’t be remotely upset or even typing out this stuff if this was one guys opinion but apparently all those who don’t watch a bad buffalo team and completely don’t realize the absurd nature that is Jack Eichel on the ice think this is true too. Draisaitl won a poll, my god...Lol!

All you have to do is Just think Of it like this.Eichel had mcdavid ...and Draisaitl wAs the top center on the sabres take away all the ooonts he got because of mcdavid and now take Eichel and out him with mcdavid. I mean you honestly don’t think that would make up the ten Pts both ways to make up that twenty point difference last year? I don’t even want to imagine his point totals in that scenario because it would clearly make him a top 2-3 player in the game. I mean just thinking of all the chances eichels teammates fan on due to incompetence is infuriating, give him a great player and he would improve on his 82 in 77 this year. He finally gets a pretty good one in skinner and Jeff had 32 goals by the all star break. Anyway ....people will see in time. I told them he was better then barzal, the fans who don’t watch Eichel said no, I was right. I said he was better the. Laine, the fans who don’t watch Eichel said no, I was
Right. And I’m right here too. I’m fine with. Barkov and maybe Matthews or Mackinnon (even though his career numbers are better then Mackinnon points per game with less help and pretty close to Matthews with less
Help) but Draisaitl, just give it up and face the situations with a clear head. I won’t say Scheifele is better because he’s got wheeler and ton of help on that PP especially Kyle Connor but they’re
In the same tier. But these are players
I can respect the opinion but Draisaitl. Good god.

Thanks for the response, just keep in mind everyone has a different opinion on these players, and ranking the top 100 is not an easy thing to do. No matter how I ranked the players, people would be upset. I know Eichel is a great player, and I actually pick him in pools every year because other people always sleep on him in fantasy drafts. To be honest having him just outside of the top 20 isn't a bad thing. It just speaks to how many very good players are in the league. Maybe Eichel needs to lead his team to the playoffs to be vaulted to where you think he belongs. I know that is a bit hypocritical, because Draisaitl hasn't led his team to the playoffs the last 2 years either. Anyways, I think you are in the minority in the Eichel vs Draisaitl debate. We should make a poll and see how it goes, but I'd be willing to bet Draisaitl would win the poll with around 65% of the votes.

Again, ranking them is tough. I'm a Wings fans, and I have other people telling me I ranked Larkin too low.
 

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One playoff series doesn't change anything. It's such a small sample size. But yes, again Bergeron had the far better linemates. And if I remember correctly, the reason MAtthews and Nylander weren't able to get going was because of Chara. He was solid that series. His long reach left them no room to get in and play around with the puck like they were used to in the regular season.

I think you're right, I don't have the stats on hand but I don't think Matthews and Bergeron were even matched up for that many minutes. It was definitely Chara, he was a beast in that series.
 

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One playoff series doesn't change anything. It's such a small sample size. But yes, again Bergeron had the far better linemates. And if I remember correctly, the reason MAtthews and Nylander weren't able to get going was because of Chara. He was solid that series. His long reach left them no room to get in and play around with the puck like they were used to in the regular season.

What about the year before?
 

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What do you mean? I'm talking about the first time the bruins played the leafs and beat us. Matthews line wasn't good, and it was because if Chara. Last year Matthews was just fine in the playoffs against the Bruins.

He wasn't close to as good as Bergeron in either series.
 

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So Pastrnak is good enough to vault Marchand to a top 3 offensive player over the last 3 years? Impressive!

A quick search would show you that yes it’s a much more offensive system and instead of giving Bergeron so many defensive starts and line matching, he lets them go out and do their thing
It's what the stats say. Marchands best seasons directly coincide with Pastrnaks best seasons. Its no coincidence. Cassidy wasn't even head coach when Marchand and Pastrnak broke out. He was assistant coach the season sure, but guess what, Boston actually scored LESS goals total that year than the year before when Cassidy wasn't around.

Not to mention why are you switching from Bergeron to Marchand? Just look at Bergeron's stats. He's had one PPG season, which directly coincide with Pastrnaks and MArchands best seasons, and when league scoring is up compared to all previous years, This is also the 3rd year Cassidy joined the team as well. It really shouldn't be such a difficult concept for you to grasp.
 
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It's what the stats say. Marchands best seasons directly coincide with Pastrnaks best seasons. Its no coincidence. Cassidy wasn't even head coach when Marchand and Pastrnak broke out. He was assistant coach the season sure, but guess what, Boston actually scored LESS goals total that year than the year before when Cassidy wasn't around.

Not to mention why are you switching from Bergeron to Marchand? Just look at Bergeron's stats. He's had one PPG season, which directly coincide with Pastrnaks and MArchands best seasons, and when league scoring is up compared to all previous years, This is also the 3rd year Cassidy joined the team as well. It really shouldn't be such a difficult concept for you to grasp.

No, Cassidy joined half way through 16/17, which is when players started to breakout

Bergeron has 63pts in 64games in 17/18, so a little bit of a stretch by you there to say he’s only had 1 PPG season.

Then you must agree that Pastrnak is a top 5 player because I can name about 3 players who can single handedly turn 50-60pt players into 100pt players like you’re saying.
 

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Are you joking? I think most people would agree that he was better than Bergeron last series. Even if they don't, there is no way you can say it wasn't close.

What? It wasn't close. Matthews is nowhere close to Bergeron's class as a player. Great shot and a good finisher for sure, but he's not in the same league as Bergeron, unless you're drinking the TSN kool-aid.
 

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It's what the stats say. Marchands best seasons directly coincide with Pastrnaks best seasons. Its no coincidence. Cassidy wasn't even head coach when Marchand and Pastrnak broke out. He was assistant coach the season sure, but guess what, Boston actually scored LESS goals total that year than the year before when Cassidy wasn't around.

Not to mention why are you switching from Bergeron to Marchand? Just look at Bergeron's stats. He's had one PPG season, which directly coincide with Pastrnaks and MArchands best seasons, and when league scoring is up compared to all previous years, This is also the 3rd year Cassidy joined the team as well. It really shouldn't be such a difficult concept for you to grasp.
Bergeron has 166 points in 156 games under Cassidy, which is nearing a 2 season sample size taking into account his injuries. If you stretch it back even further at the tail end of Julien's career in Boston, he has 183 points in 172 games since Jan 1 of 2017. 104 points in 107 games not including this season where he had 79 in 65.
 

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What? It wasn't close. Matthews is nowhere close to Bergeron's class as a player. Great shot and a good finisher for sure, but he's not in the same league as Bergeron, unless you're drinking the TSN kool-aid.

As much as I’m defending Bergeron in this thread, they’re absolutely in the same class.

It’s not outlandish to think Matthews is better, there’s just not a whole lot to back that up right now unless you really really value goals.

Within a year or two I expect Matthews will be seen pretty unanimously as the better player, he’s just not there yet.
 

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No, Cassidy joined half way through 16/17, which is when players started to breakout

Bergeron has 63pts in 64games in 17/18, so a little bit of a stretch by you there to say he’s only had 1 PPG season.

Then you must agree that Pastrnak is a top 5 player because I can name about 3 players who can single handedly turn 50-60pt players into 100pt players like you’re saying.
No, Cassidy joined half way through 16/17, which is when players started to breakout

Bergeron has 63pts in 64games in 17/18, so a little bit of a stretch by you there to say he’s only had 1 PPG season.

Then you must agree that Pastrnak is a top 5 player because I can name about 3 players who can single handedly turn 50-60pt players into 100pt players like you’re saying.
He joined in February, close to the end of the season. Although, fine, 2 PPG seasons for Bergeron then.

Man, I really don't know how else to say this. Having 3 great players on a line boosts everyone up. Pastrnak is one of the best wingers in the game, and adding him to two other solid players can easily boost them by 20-25 points. We see it all the time - check the Colorado top line. 3 players is much harder to shut down than 2 players. Couple that with increased scoring league wide, and I don't see why you find it so unbelievable that they can score 30+ more points in a season.

I think I'm done with this conversation then. If you truly think that Bergeron is better than Matthews offensively, then great.
 

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As much as I’m defending Bergeron in this thread, they’re absolutely in the same class.

It’s not outlandish to think Matthews is better, there’s just not a whole lot to back that up right now unless you really really value goals.

Within a year or two I expect Matthews will be seen pretty unanimously as the better player, he’s just not there yet.

13 playoff games head-to-head and Bergeron way out ahead, yet TSN and this list always put Matthews ahead. When does he actually have to show he's better? Because if anyone is watching the games, one guy is controlling everything when he's out there. Another guy is getting lit up defensively and can't help a historically bad PK because he's useless at killing penalties.
 

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Bergeron has 166 points in 156 games under Cassidy, which is nearing a 2 season sample size taking into account his injuries. If you stretch it back even further at the tail end of Julien's career in Boston, he has 183 points in 172 games since Jan 1 of 2017. 104 points in 107 games not including this season where he had 79 in 65.
But the same timeline you're talking about is the exact same time-line as to when Pastrnak joined them. You may think that they all broke out because of Cassidy, but I think that's far less likely. Bergeron consistently in the past had chances to show he was elite offensively as their #1 centerman, but never did. I'm not saying he's not a good offensive player still. Obviously he is, and one of the best two way players int he game.

This whole conversation started with someone saying Bergeron is better than Matthews offensively and that's not the case. In the 3 years since Matthews has been in the league, he's done better than Bergeron. Even if you want to use Cassidy as the excuse for Bergerons breakout and not Pastrnak, you have to admit still that Pastrnak and Marchand still have some positive effect on him, and Matthews does not have that luxury, yet has still done better.
 

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What? It wasn't close. Matthews is nowhere close to Bergeron's class as a player. Great shot and a good finisher for sure, but he's not in the same league as Bergeron, unless you're drinking the TSN kool-aid.
Man, that's a brutal take. As soon as you say things like that, no one will want to converse with you as you're completely biased. Of course they're in the same league. I'm not even necessarily saying Matthews is better overall than Bergeron (I do think that, but I wouldn't argue anyone saying otherwise). This whole conversation was just about strictly offense.
 
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