Post-Game Talk: Too Little Too Late - Jets Fall In Game 4 (2-1)

[Jetfaninflorida]

Our strength is in our depth - we roll 4 lines.

Remember That?

Our coach has turned our 4 line team into a 3 line team. 3 line teams do not go deep in the playoffs. In simple terms you have to ask why has Maurice unneccessarily turned our 4 line team into a 3 line team at the time of the year where getting 10+ minutes from your fourth is most critical?

What could possibly be the explanation for the D utilization other than reacting to the other coach - you are playing his game even though you are in your own building. Why do you have 4th line plus 3rd D paring in D zone face off situation?

On the other bench, their adjustment to NZ trap with the lead completely stifled us. No meaningful adjustment from us.

You have to objectively ask if the Jets are being out coached.

 

[Steelers]

The Jets played fine, they had bad puck luck the entire game. It was gonna be one of those games no matter what they did... that puck wasn’t going in the net.

 

[BigZ65]

Didn't think we were terrible. Thought Rinne was awesome. And we made a handful of critical errors. You can't have that Copp, Hendricks line out for D zone faceoffs. Those two are an absolute disaster.

If going nearly an entire period worth of clock without a scoring chance isn’t terrible, what is?

 

[BigZ65]

Our strength is in our depth - we roll 4 lines.

Remember That?

Our coach has turned our 4 line team into a 3 line team. 3 line teams do not go deep in the playoffs. In simple terms you have to ask why has Maurice unneccessarily turned our 4 line team into a 3 line team at the time of the year where getting 10+ minutes from your fourth is most critical?

What could possibly be the explanation for the D utilization other than reacting to the other coach - you are playing his game even though you are in your own building. Why do you have 4th line plus 3rd D paring in D zone face off situation?

On the other bench, their adjustment to NZ trap with the lead completely stifled us. No meaningful adjustment from us.

You have to objectively ask if the Jets are being out coached.

I don’t even think it’s a question. The two games in this series Laviolette went for certain matchups he got them all and dictated them, in his building and in ours. Maurice was scrambling all night. I’ve never seen him look that flummoxed and keep trying to figure it out with Kompon and Huddy.

If we had our 4 lines there wouldn’t be very much to worry about, just zone starts.

 

[Revolver]

So much negativity. The sun will shine tomorrow people. It is a 7 game series and there are ups and downs. Series are at 2-2 all we need is to win 2 games out of three. The whole team looked bad (besides few players) **** happens, forget this game and go play our game on Saturday

If we don’t lose two in a row we win the series ... come on boys!

 

[sipowicz]

Jets played the whole game like they did in the first period of game 3, lazy pathetic performance with some really bad Mo coaching and decisions on display!

 

[sipowicz]

I don’t even think it’s a question. The two games in this series Laviolette went for certain matchups he got them all and dictated them, in his building and in ours. Maurice was scrambling all night. I’ve never seen him look that flummoxed and keep trying to figure it out with Kompon and Huddy.

If we had our 4 lines there wouldn’t be very much to worry about, just zone starts.

Lavs playing chess, Mo playing condensed 10 piece checkers!

 

[JetsWillFly4Ever]

I don't think we were all that bad last night. I think we controlled play for the first half of the game and were very unlucky to be down 2-0. Nashville absolutely shut it down after that and it was impressive.

Mo was completely outclassed. He could not adjust our zone entry, I don't know how many times I saw the play die in the neutral zone. We could not get anything going. Our PK is an absolute abomination. We were goalieing our way to a solid PK throughout the season but allowing Subban to tee up screened one timers from the point whenever they want is just absurd. We need to make an adjustment. The 4th line has been talked about plenty on here, but if you don't think it had a big effect on this game you are out to lunch. In a one goal game, their 4th line scored against ours, and our 4th line was out when the penalty was taken that led to their 2nd goal. Add onto this the residual effects of having a line you can barely play (i.e. everyone else has to play more minutes), and to say the 4th line wasn't a big part of why we lost is just illogical.

 

[powder88]

You have two very evenly matched teams...you have to look for every advantage. The coaching staff gave us at least four disadvantages I can think of:

1) Hendricks in over Roslo
2) Ice time distribution between 44-8 and 57-7
3) Not pulling Helle at the beginning of that PP in the 3rd (down 2 with 2 minutes to play)
4) Failure to tactically counter Preds trap game

Yes, some players played poorly...sometimes they were forced to by the opposition; sometimes they did it to themselves, but that will happen every game. I also agree that there were an unlikely number of bounces that didn't go our way. But the four things above would all have moved the dial slightly in Winnipeg's direction. Instead, Maurice (and his coaching staff) turned it the other way.

NHL coaches are paid to make incremental gains in the team's odds of winning and Maurice failed in shameful fashion tonight

 

[KingBogo]

Lavs playing chess, Mo playing condensed 10 piece checkers!

And yet he got his team to rebound from 0-3 last game? How could that possibly happen? LV-SJ, Pit-Wash are both tied at 2-2 which coach is the genius and which is the moron in those series? TB-Bos is 2-1 Cooper must be the better coach, but how much to you want to bet the Bruins push back and make it 2-2 going back to TB. It is the playoffs and there are 8 very good teams standing and it will never go your way every night.

 

[ulf]

They wanted it more
They prepared for us better than we responded to them( guess just play our game doesn't always work).
PMo had a baffling descion making day.( stubbrn or stupid)
Kudos to Rinne and Subban you outplayed us and led your team back to home ice advantage.

 

[Mud Turtle]

We need a few more Tanev’s in the bottom 6 and one less Hendricks.
Tanev has been one of or most effective players this playoffs. He’s a guy who doesn’t stop skating, trap or no trap.


I never expected to say that.

 

[Hammer Slammer]

1) Hendricks in over Roslo
2) Ice time distribution between 44-8 and 57-7
3) Not pulling Helle at the beginning of that PP in the 3rd (down 2 with 2 minutes to play)
4) Failure to tactically counter Preds trap game

I raised my eyebrow at that initially, but then thought they were waiting for some solid possession. Would be super anti-climactic if NSH won the faceoff and fired it in the empty net.

 

[powder88]

I raised my eyebrow at that initially, but then thought they were waiting for some solid possession. Would be super anti-climactic if NSH won the faceoff and fired it in the empty net.

Maybe...but with two minutes left to tie the game, you need to spend as much of it as possible with a two skater advantage. It's not like they pulled Helle immediately upon gaining possession. They let 30 seconds run off while they had the puck in the O-zone. Small error, but an inexcusable one, IMO

 

[Jetfaninflorida]

You know, after the first Preds goal, seeing 15 on the ice and checking our D pairing just completely infuriated me. I decided to put my tablet down and stop posting. I decided to wait for the game to unfold for something positive. I felt like we would recover and still win, and I didn't want to be negative at that time.

As the game unfolded, it was very difficult to get up. There is such a small margin between winning and losing in the playoffs, you have to leverage every advantage that you have, especially when you are at home. And when you are playing the President's Cup winner, failing to exploit every advantage is a mistake and will have a large cost. The coaching staff cannot be exempt from scrutiny regarding those mistakes. I feel like our coaching staff squandered our home ice advantage last night. Roster, matchups, D utilization, system adjustments. I don't need to spell out the details, they have already been identified here pretty extensively.

This is now a best of three, where the Preds have home ice. I will be surprised if they are now not significantly favored over us to move past the second round. Can we still pull it out? Of course. We have the horses and the goaltending to do it. But I don't know if we have the coaching.

 

[Hammer Slammer]

Maybe...but with two minutes left to tie the game, you need to spend as much of it as possible with a two skater advantage. It's not like they pulled Helle immediately upon gaining possession. They let 30 seconds run off while they had the puck in the O-zone. Small error, but an inexcusable one, IMO

That's true. As soon as you have possession, the goalie should be out. Forgot how long it was between the faceoff win and Helle leaving.

 

[GNP]

I don't think we were all that bad last night. I think we controlled play for the first half of the game and were very unlucky to be down 2-0. Nashville absolutely shut it down after that and it was impressive.

Mo was completely outclassed. He could not adjust our zone entry, I don't know how many times I saw play die in the neutral zone. We could not get anything going. Our PK is an absolute abomination. We were goalieing our way to a solid PK throughout the season but allowing Subban to tee up screened one timers from the point whenever they want is just absurd. We need to make an adjustment. The 4th line has been talked about plenty on here, but if you don't think it had a big effect on this game you are out to lunch. In a one goal game, their 4th line scored against ours, and our 4th line was out when the penalty was taken that led to their 2nd goal. Add onto this the residual effects of having a line you can barely play (i.e. everyone else has to play more minutes), and to say the 4th line wasn't a big part of why we lost is just illogical.

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This is a good post -- with the "most important points in emboldened letters"

Neutral Zone-- The Preds were clogging up the "neutral zone" and lining up at the blueline--"not their typical run and gun game"-- how can a Jet's forward stickhandle thru all those guys ?? They cannot, and were losing possession all night.

Solution- Maurice should have picked up on this, and told the forwards to shoot the puck in and then chase it for possession--and their chances would have been at least 50-50 of getting possession. Instead our forwards were trying to skate the puck in, and I'd say lost the puck about 80% of the time. This is on the coach !!!

on Subban-- he has a very dangerous and "effective" one time slap shot from the point, and Maurice has to come up with a way to stop this and counteract this !!! He could start by telling the D-men to clear the front of the net for screens.

4-th Line - I don't know why Maurice likes to play Veterans--maybe he feels it's safer-- but it's far more risky. When you play a guy like Hendricks who is a sub par player at best, against one of the fastest teams in the league--you gotta wonder ? We have Roslovic-and he's mighty fast and can score-"we need to use him"--or Perrault when he's ready. Roslo should have been in the lineup tonight- "not Hendricks."

I hope enough "noise and complaints" are made about this subject of using Hendricks on this board, and that it gets back to the Jet's executive, and then finally to Maurice--"so he gets the message" The people that "support and pay for" the team--do not want Hendricks in the lineup if we have better--and we have Roslovic--so play him.

 

[Joe Hallenback]

I think the play of Laine and Connor have had the most impact in this series for us

 

[KingBogo]

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This is a good post -- with the "most important points in emboldened letters"

Neutral Zone-- The Preds were clogging up the "neutral zone" and lining up at the blueline--"not their typical run and gun game"-- how can a Jet's forward stickhandle thru all those guys ?? They cannot, and were losing possession all night.

Solution- Maurice should have picked up on this, and told the forwards to shoot the puck in and then chase it for possession--and their chances would have been at least 50-50 of getting possession. Instead our forwards were trying to skate the puck in, and I'd say lost the puck about 80% of the time. This is on the coach !!!

on Subban-- he has a very dangerous and "effective" one time slap shot from the point, and Maurice has to come up with a way to stop this and counteract this !!! He could start by telling the D-men to clear the front of the net for screens.

4-th Line - I don't know why Maurice likes to play Veterans--maybe he feels it's safer-- but it's far more risky. When you play a guy like Hendricks who is a sub par player at best, against one of the fastest teams in the league--you gotta wonder ? We have Roslovic-and he's mighty fast and can score-"we need to use him"--or Perrault when he's ready. Roslo should have been in the lineup tonight- "not Hendricks."

I hope enough "noise and complaints" are made about this subject of using Hendricks on this board, and that it gets back to the Jet's executive, and then finally to Maurice--"so he gets the message" The people that "support and pay for" the team--do not want Hendricks in the lineup if we have better--and we have Roslovic--so play him.

The group of posters on this board are so irrelevant to the decision making process what we say is meaningless in the big picture. My take on Hendricks playing is Maurice is worried about the kids playing too tight and wants an upbeat, constantly talking vet around them. All of Laine, Ehlers, Connor and Rosie have struggled at times and have done less than they are capable of when they are playing free and easy. They are all relatively quiet and tend to be hard on themselves. When Armia was ready to come back Rosie became the choice to come out as Armia is probably the quietest guy on the team and Rosie is the bottom of our young stars.

When MP is ready I expect him to replace Hendricks as he is a vet that will provide that upbeat vet presence. I've argued it before but Mo puts a lot more weight on the social dynamics of the group then we can possibly ever know and for the most part are oblivious to it unless you pay attention to the little pieces of information here and there. IMO he weighs that against the diminishing abilities of Hendy, and his need to shelter him against the loss of production with his young inexperienced players when they start gripping the stick too tight. I do find it curious that every great coach gets accused of loving clue guys. Leaf fans run on and on about this with Babs as to Hawk fans with coach Q.

 

[Ducky10]

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This is a good post -- with the "most important points in emboldened letters"

Neutral Zone-- The Preds were clogging up the "neutral zone" and lining up at the blueline--"not their typical run and gun game"-- how can a Jet's forward stickhandle thru all those guys ?? They cannot, and were losing possession all night.

Solution- Maurice should have picked up on this, and told the forwards to shoot the puck in and then chase it for possession--and their chances would have been at least 50-50 of getting possession. Instead our forwards were trying to skate the puck in, and I'd say lost the puck about 80% of the time. This is on the coach !!!

on Subban-- he has a very dangerous and "effective" one time slap shot from the point, and Maurice has to come up with a way to stop this and counteract this !!! He could start by telling the D-men to clear the front of the net for screens.

4-th Line - I don't know why Maurice likes to play Veterans--maybe he feels it's safer-- but it's far more risky. When you play a guy like Hendricks who is a sub par player at best, against one of the fastest teams in the league--you gotta wonder ? We have Roslovic-and he's mighty fast and can score-"we need to use him"--or Perrault when he's ready. Roslo should have been in the lineup tonight- "not Hendricks."

I hope enough "noise and complaints" are made about this subject of using Hendricks on this board, and that it gets back to the Jet's executive, and then finally to Maurice--"so he gets the message" The people that "support and pay for" the team--do not want Hendricks in the lineup if we have better--and we have Roslovic--so play him.

I hate to burst your bubble but nobody in Jets land is making lineup decisions based on what this board thinks.

C'mon man.

 

[sipowicz]

I think the play of Laine and Connor have had the most impact in this series for us

Connor, Laine and Ehlers have had very little impact vs the Preds, basically half you’re top six MIA!

 

[Ducky10]

After having the morning to let it sink in and I'm just completely baffled at the usage of 44-8.

I'm not going to call Maurice a moron, far from it, but seriously, wtf?

 

[sipowicz]

And yet he got his team to rebound from 0-3 last game? How could that possibly happen? LV-SJ, Pit-Wash are both tied at 2-2 which coach is the genius and which is the moron in those series? TB-Bos is 2-1 Cooper must be the better coach, but how much to you want to bet the Bruins push back and make it 2-2 going back to TB. It is the playoffs and there are 8 very good teams standing and it will never go your way every night.

Team looked unprepared to play last night coupled with some poor coaching decisions, that’s all on MO!

 

[Jets 31]

I do like Maurice as our coach but there is no defending Hendricks playing in place of Roslovic or Frenchie . Next game Frenchie or Roslovic play and Maurice can let Hendricks put a suit on and be a assistant coach if he needs Hendricks around that bad . I REALLY hope Maurice didn't play Hendricks over Roslovic or Frenchie just because he thought Hartnall was playing and we needed Hendricks to be there for that . None of our star players played fantastic , we need that to change fast .

 

[grieves]

That was just heart-breaking. "Look mom, a no-handed stick-knob save... What do you mean lucky?"