Player Discussion Tony DeAngelo - Part II

[Alluckks]

That's why I think this whole approach is more about channeling than changing.

I don't think the Rangers want ADA to become a different personality, I think they want to channel his personality productively.

It's funny because Dan Boyle comes up as a comparison/hope for someone like ADA. But Boyle was also a guy with an edge to his personality and his game. I think the Rangers would be perfectly happy if ADA kept the snarl, and the emotion and chippyness to his game. I really don't think they are trying to neuter him.

Quinn says it perfectly in his post-game presser here. More than half of this video is devoted to talking about DeAngelo. He makes a good Marchand comparison imo

 

[Blue Blooded]

I've maintained for a long time that DeAngelo is the defenceman version of Theo Fleury, but Marchand works as well. Don't think DeAngelo carries the demons that Theo did, so Marchand might actually be a better comp.

 

[ThirdEye]

Quinn is not stupid... he knows how talented the kid is, but some reeling in needed to be done. Now that both seemingly have each other's respect, the Rangers will reap the rewards

I like his game, but I do worry a little that in big moments other teams can easily nudge him into being undisciplined and taking stupid penalties (ala Avery). Luckily we don't have to worry about that quite yet

 

[nyr2k2]

I've maintained for a long time that DeAngelo is the defenceman version of Theo Fleury, but Marchand works as well. Don't think DeAngelo carries the demons that Theo did, so Marchand might actually be a better comp.

FWIW, since I know a lot of people think I don't like ADA, Fleury is one of my all-time favorite players. I used to have a big framed photo of him in my basement. Loved him. He was also a little unhinged, though he had the abuse issues that devastated him for so long which turned into the substance abuse issues.

ADA is very exciting and I root for him to succeed. We have a coach that wants that success to come a certain way. He has to play under control. Off-ice as well. Don't ruin yourself like Avery. At the same time if this was 30 years ago and the crazy guys were welcome, I'd have no problem with ADA going wild. That's just not where we are. Hopefully he keeps developing himself personally and takes off because he's a great talent.

 

[Blue Blooded]

FWIW, since I know a lot of people think I don't like ADA, Fleury is one of my all-time favorite players. I used to have a big framed photo of him in my basement. Loved him. He was also a little unhinged, though he had the abuse issues that devastated him for so long which turned into the substance abuse issues.

ADA is very exciting and I root for him to succeed. We have a coach that wants that success to come a certain way. He has to play under control. Off-ice as well. Don't ruin yourself like Avery. At the same time if this was 30 years ago and the crazy guys were welcome, I'd have no problem with ADA going wild. That's just not where we are. Hopefully he keeps developing himself personally and takes off because he's a great talent.

Theo Fleury signing with the Rangers was the first step into making me a Rangers fan, he and Lindros were my favourite players in the 90's. Horrible what happened to him.

 

[nyr2k2]

Theo Fleury signing with the Rangers was the first step into making me a Rangers fan, he and Lindros were my favourite players in the 90's. Horrible what happened to him.

He's a really sad story. Though, he really does seem to be in a good place now, he's begun the healing process and does a lot of great advocacy work. I follow him and Facebook and it makes me feel good whenever he throws up a new post.

 

[Inferno]

Quinn says it perfectly in his post-game presser here. More than half of this video is devoted to talking about DeAngelo. He makes a good Marchand comparison imo

Yep. Great comparison and a good idea of the process you have to go thru. Ada isn't dirty like marchand but he's definitely got a mouth on him. I love it when it's directed at the right place.

Sean Avery was one of my favorite rangers in my lifetime.

 

[Inferno]

I'm just going to say it here.

DeAngelo is the most skilled defenseman we've had in this organization since Brian leetch.
Not I said skilled...not best.

He's an elite skating defenseman. He's an elite passing defenseman. His shot is average to below average and his defense is probably average.

If you can turn those 2 average aspects to his game to above average you've got a sure fire top 20 #1 defenseman.

He's the kinda defenseman we've been begging for for years.

The blueshirts breakaway guys brought up a great point in their latest podcast...Quinn is probably the first coach that deangelos had that's been trying to do what's best for DeAngelo rather than what's best for the team. A DeAngelo with his head on straight with a better shot is the kinda defenseman we can have anchoring this team for the next 10 years.

 

[Off Sides]

At least now Quinn is calling him by name instead of going with "That Guy"

 

[offdacrossbar]

let him play

let him be his cocky mouthy junk yard dog self. i have zero issues with him at all. chirping and grinning last night after he scored that goal was absolutely money. love it. i want more of that not less.

don't scratch him for stuff he might do or stuff he did that doesn't amount to shit. enough of the scratching him to teach lessons. kid understands. let him be himself without being a detriment to the team.

stop trying to change him. let him be himself but demand accountability and control and maturity but help the kid off ice with his issues.

most of all, let him play. hes going to be a an integral part of this rebuild.

 

[leetch99]

Has the tools...hope the tool box holds out . I always root for the underdogs . However...sometimes it is best not to kick at an opponent when they are down. LOL...but I enjoyed it . LOL....but I bet Quinn is furious on the inside . I think we all know though what plagues Tony . He just can't help himself . Maybe in time a strong leadership core in the room might be able contain that somewhat . Right now I don't think we are at that stage.

 

[Edge]

I'll say it again, I think Quinn is exactly the type of coach ADA needs at this point in his career.

 

[offdacrossbar]

as much as many here don't want to admit it, this is about ADA vs pionk. it certainly is. for sure.

they are both rightys. unless quinn sits shatty- which he wont because hes the vet righty damn, then one of those 2 guys has to sit. McQuaid, when healthy, is gonna play. we know that.

so heres the real issue. alot of this tony D stuff wouldn't even be happening, the benching and scratchings, if there werent 4 righty men who needed to play. of that group of 4, ADA is the odd man out and the benching and scratchings have alot to do with that imo, as much as tonys own behavior or whatever.

kids got a short leash. doesnt take much for him to take a seat and then you have 22, 44 and 54 out there every night.

believe what you want, but with his history and his short leash, quinn is taking the easy way out here by sitting ADA even though hes the most talented kid of those 4 by alot and his production has been well documented. kid even makes 18 a better player.

if pionk werent on this team, the ADA leash is ALOT longer, he plays every night and his production does the talking over whatever maturity issues he might have. much of this isnt even an issue.

period.

i dont dislike quinn, i think hes smart, young focused guy, but i disagree with some of what hes done with ADA. hes saying the right things in his pressers and i believe he wants the best for the kid, but his methods havent been sound. I'm sorry.

and lastly, i give ZERO credit to quinn for ADA's play. none. play him and he will produce. yo-yo the kid in and out of the lineup and hell struggle. give him a sense of routine and let him get some timing and confidence and hell be money. continue to scratch him and he will struggle.

that's my take, fire away.

 

[will1066]

as much as many here don't want to admit it, this is about ADA vs pionk. it certainly is. for sure.

they are both rightys. unless quinn sits shatty- which he wont because hes the vet righty damn, then one of those 2 guys has to sit. McQuaid, when healthy, is gonna play. we know that.

so heres the real issue. alot of this tony D stuff wouldn't even be happening, the benching and scratchings, if there werent 4 righty men who needed to play. of that group of 4, ADA is the odd man out and the benching and scratchings have alot to do with that imo, as much as tonys own behavior or whatever.

kids got a short leash. doesnt take much for him to take a seat and then you have 22, 44 and 54 out there every night.

believe what you want, but with his history and his short leash, quinn is taking the easy way out here by sitting ADA even though hes the most talented kid of those 4 by alot and his production has been well documented. kid even makes 18 a better player.

if pionk werent on this team, the ADA leash is ALOT longer, he plays every night and his production does the talking over whatever maturity issues he might have. much of this isnt even an issue.

period.

i dont dislike quinn, i think hes smart, young focused guy, but i disagree with some of what hes done with ADA. hes saying the right things in his pressers and i believe he wants the best for the kid, but his methods havent been sound. I'm sorry.

and lastly, i give ZERO credit to quinn for ADA's play. none. play him and he will produce. yo-yo the kid in and out of the lineup and hell struggle. give him a sense of routine and let him get some timing and confidence and hell be money. continue to scratch him and he will struggle.

that's my take, fire away.

Credit Quinn for finally calling a spade a spade and sitting Pionk. The board's always saying Quinn will never sit Pionk (and Staal). For me, it has been it's more of Pionk's job to lose than ADA's job to win.

But the evidence was too overwhelming, honestly, for Quinn to keep playing Pionk over ADA. The ADA vs. Pionk is real. They are intertwined just by the simple fact that ADA is playing with Staal. Staal is the link to this narrative. Staal is improved when playing with ADA. A lot of what ADA does is not seen in the macro numbers. But that seems to be changing as he's making more bottom-line impacts each game.

 

[nyr2k2]

let him play

let him be his cocky mouthy junk yard dog self. i have zero issues with him at all. chirping and grinning last night after he scored that goal was absolutely money. love it. i want more of that not less.

don't scratch him for stuff he might do or stuff he did that doesn't amount to ****. enough of the scratching him to teach lessons. kid understands. let him be himself without being a detriment to the team.

stop trying to change him. let him be himself but demand accountability and control and maturity but help the kid off ice with his issues.

most of all, let him play. hes going to be a an integral part of this rebuild.

I'm curious as to how you demand accountability from a guy and control of his actions without potentially scratching him?

 

[nyr2k2]

as much as many here don't want to admit it, this is about ADA vs pionk. it certainly is. for sure.

they are both rightys. unless quinn sits shatty- which he wont because hes the vet righty damn, then one of those 2 guys has to sit. McQuaid, when healthy, is gonna play. we know that.

so heres the real issue. alot of this tony D stuff wouldn't even be happening, the benching and scratchings, if there werent 4 righty men who needed to play. of that group of 4, ADA is the odd man out and the benching and scratchings have alot to do with that imo, as much as tonys own behavior or whatever.

kids got a short leash. doesnt take much for him to take a seat and then you have 22, 44 and 54 out there every night.

believe what you want, but with his history and his short leash, quinn is taking the easy way out here by sitting ADA even though hes the most talented kid of those 4 by alot and his production has been well documented. kid even makes 18 a better player.

if pionk werent on this team, the ADA leash is ALOT longer, he plays every night and his production does the talking over whatever maturity issues he might have. much of this isnt even an issue.

period.

i dont dislike quinn, i think hes smart, young focused guy, but i disagree with some of what hes done with ADA. hes saying the right things in his pressers and i believe he wants the best for the kid, but his methods havent been sound. I'm sorry.

and lastly, i give ZERO credit to quinn for ADA's play. none. play him and he will produce. yo-yo the kid in and out of the lineup and hell struggle. give him a sense of routine and let him get some timing and confidence and hell be money. continue to scratch him and he will struggle.

that's my take, fire away.

I don't buy it. I assumed there'd be some rotation among McQuaid, Pionk, and ADA. There really wasn't. But if we never had McQuaid, I don't think Quinn would just throw ADA out there every night. You'd see more of Claesson, or you'd see O'Gara or someone. Quinn does not strike me as the type to compromise on a guy like ADA just because the roster is thin. I don't see the leash getting longer if there was less competition. He clearly likes Pionk. He doesn't just play Pionk, but he plays him too much and in situations he can't handle. Again, he likes Pionk. He likes one guy, and then there's another guy who wasn't meeting his expectations so he didn't play. It's not a competition, though. ADA didn't play bacause he wasn't meeting expectations, not because he was blocked by anyone.

As far as his methods being unsound, and Quinn receiving no credit for any improvement in ADA's play, there no way to prove or disprove that. Just an opinion. I think yours is wrong, but whatever. It was the same shit with Kreider and Miller, for example. They get yo-yoed up-and-down and some people think it's ruining them. Then they take the next step and put it together, and some people say, "See, it worked!" Others say, "This is just because they're good players, not because of how they've been handled!" It's all up to interpretation.

 

[Inferno]

Pionks playing time goes down...deangelos time goes up.

Somehow Quinn hates DeAngelo and loves pionk.


This has always been about getting the most out of DeAngelo....just like it's getting the most out of pionk.


David Quinn is my favorite coach since torts...and frankly as it stands I probably like him more than torts.

 

[Anttiup32]

I'll say it again, I think Quinn is exactly the type of coach ADA needs at this point in his career.

Anyone who’ll put him on the ice is the coach ADA needs. Man just needs to play.

 

[nyr2k2]

Pionks playing time goes down...deangelos time goes up.

Somehow Quinn hates DeAngelo and loves pionk.


This has always been about getting the most out of DeAngelo....just like it's getting the most out of pionk.


David Quinn is my favorite coach since torts...and frankly as it stands I probably like him more than torts.

I liked Torts in the beginning. He wore me down as the seasons went on, and I was done with him in the end. Of course, hiring AV right after him was a weird choice, but whatever.

Quinn also seems kind of abrasive, hard-nosed, and like a do-what-I-do-and-what-I-say kind of guy. I like his general demeanor. His looks of disbelief are hilarious. He seems like a really strong leader, someone who wants to work with everyone to help them be their best. You can definitely tell he came from college. Right now, I'm loving everything about him. He reminds me of Torts without the clown-show bullshit, which seems appropriate given he seems like a no-nonsense kind of guy. I'm really excited to see what he can build here.

 

[Bleed Ranger Blue]

I liked Torts in the beginning. He wore me down as the seasons went on, and I was done with him in the end. Of course, hiring AV right after him was a weird choice, but whatever.

Quinn also seems kind of abrasive, hard-nosed, and do-what-I-do-and-what-I-say kind of guy. I like his general demeanor. His looks of disbelief are hilarious. He seems like a really strong leaders, someone who wants to work with everyone to help them be their best. You can definitely tell he came from college. Right now, I'm loving everything about him. He reminds me of Torts without the clown-show bull****, which seems appropriate given he seems like a no-nonsense kind of guy. I'm really excited to see what he can build here.

Regarding the bolded, imagine how the players felt! Things are starting to crumble in Columbus too and Im sure he's at that stage where his welcome is being worn out.

Regarding the DeAngelo situation, Quinn is doing whats best for his future development. This isn't about Pionk vs. DeAngelo, this isn't about Quinn liking somebody more...or whatever other conspiracy theory people are willing to come up with. I think Quinn has done a very good job at equitably doing whats best for these players to move forward as professionals.

 

[Rongomania]

You know, I’ve always been an ADA supporter , but he is seriously impressing me more than I ever could’ve thought. He went out of his way to brush Marchand last night and I think Brad realized that there’s a new rat bastard in the east and I f***in’ loved that moment.

 

[Off Sides]

Can we get to the part when Wade Garrett says to Dalton

"You taught me as much as I ever taught you"

 

[Machinehead]

David Quinn is my favorite coach since torts...

Well, the only other one is AV, and f*** that amirite?

I don't hate Quinn. He really annoys me sometimes, but every coach is going to annoy me. There's fundamental things about the NHL and hockey currently that I'm not a fan of. Part of that is generational, and part of it is I'm not perfect and I'm also wrong about things. I've accepted that.

I do think his lineup decisions could use work, but he's new, and he has a band-aid roster. I like his system.

Now AV, I hated. The difference with Quinn is he'll f*** you over, tell you why he f***ed you over, and then back off if you prove him wrong.

AV is the type of guy to tell you a blue wall is red, kick you for disagreeing with him, and then paint the wall red so he was right all along.

 

[offdacrossbar]

I don't buy it. I assumed there'd be some rotation among McQuaid, Pionk, and ADA. There really wasn't. But if we never had McQuaid, I don't think Quinn would just throw ADA out there every night. You'd see more of Claesson, or you'd see O'Gara or someone. Quinn does not strike me as the type to compromise on a guy like ADA just because the roster is thin. I don't see the leash getting longer if there was less competition. He clearly likes Pionk. He doesn't just play Pionk, but he plays him too much and in situations he can't handle. Again, he likes Pionk. He likes one guy, and then there's another guy who wasn't meeting his expectations so he didn't play. It's not a competition, though. ADA didn't play bacause he wasn't meeting expectations, not because he was blocked by anyone.

As far as his methods being unsound, and Quinn receiving no credit for any improvement in ADA's play, there no way to prove or disprove that. Just an opinion. I think yours is wrong, but whatever. It was the same **** with Kreider and Miller, for example. They get yo-yoed up-and-down and some people think it's ruining them. Then they take the next step and put it together, and some people say, "See, it worked!" Others say, "This is just because they're good players, not because of how they've been handled!" It's all up to interpretation.

fair take.

lets just agree to disagree.

i like quinn for the most part.

for a rebuild, hes good. for young players, hes a good mentor and coach with a fresh consistent attitude. AV was a clown and i wasnt a fan at all.

quinnn methods and his treatment of ADA is my issue. his lineup decisions baffle me at times.

i think hes doing an overall good job but i disagree with benching ADA as the best way
to help him mature.

and i certainly dont agree with his pionk love. at all.

 

[True Blue]

if pionk werent on this team, the ADA leash is ALOT longer, he plays every night and his production does the talking over whatever maturity issues he might have. much of this isnt even an issue.

Pure conjecture based on made up beliefs. There is not a doubt in my mind that if Pionk was not here and ADA still behaved in exactly the same way that he did, he would still be sat the same amount of time. There is nothing that Quinn has said or done that would make me believe any different. You do not seem to want to come to grips with the idea that Quinn laid out the rules and DeAngelo for a long time did not follow them in the exact manner that was prescribed. You keep wanting to drum up some sort of personal agendas that were the reason that he was scratched.