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I am fine with what had transpired. Looks and sounds like both sides have communicated clearly with each other. I don't see the problem with how it was handled if that's the case.
Player Discussion Tony DeAngelo - Part II
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I am fine with what had transpired. Looks and sounds like both sides have communicated clearly with each other. I don't see the problem with how it was handled if that's the case.
NYR Viper
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As long as the organization and coach continue to work with the player and don't just give him up we'll be fine. He plays with an edge that needs to be harnessed, yes, but he is also supremely talented and brings a tenacity and grit most teams sorely lack.
Mandar
The Real Maven
Interesting....seems that if we had him in the lineup against TB (you know, the best team in the NHL), we would have beat them, or at the very worst, got a point against them.
Then when we have him in the lineup, he makes a pretty pass that anoints him as the Second Coming....but we only get one point against the Kings (you know, the worst team in the NHL).
offdacrossbar
misfit fanboy
ADA is an angry young man. thats seems clear. we dont know his upbringing, his childhood or any other personal issues he may have had in his youth but something is still there thats still percolating under the surface.
that said, no one is excusing him for poor behavior. you own your actions and you move forward and change or you stand still and continue making the same mistakes. thats his decision. its up to him.
if this is truly a personality issue, a behavioral thing, then in my opinion, it cant be handled like an effort thing (buchnevich) or a talent thing (mcleod) or a earn your ice time thing (nieves/andersson). it has to be handled like a personal thing and thats why i don't agree with the benching and scratches from quinn.
you cannot healthy scratch this out of this young man. wrong thing to do. quinns methods are wrong here.
quinn is making this public and to that end, it forced the larry article to be written. there must have been momentum there for an explanation as to why you scratch your most talented dman.
for deangelo to say this :
“No; I’m pretty confident in myself as a player,” No. 77 told The Post before the Blueshirts’ 4-3 overtime defeat. “I’m also not as crazy as people might think I am.”
tells me this thing has been handled improperly.
this could have been handled differently and my fear is that the cure that quinn believes is best administered his way may actually be making the situation worse. this could work against ADA and his fixing this problem he has with maturity and chirping.
you keep shit in the locker room. keep it behind the doors. this wasnt handled properly and for that i blame quinn while at the same time acknowledging ADA is the start and the end to all of this.
that said, no one is excusing him for poor behavior. you own your actions and you move forward and change or you stand still and continue making the same mistakes. thats his decision. its up to him.
if this is truly a personality issue, a behavioral thing, then in my opinion, it cant be handled like an effort thing (buchnevich) or a talent thing (mcleod) or a earn your ice time thing (nieves/andersson). it has to be handled like a personal thing and thats why i don't agree with the benching and scratches from quinn.
you cannot healthy scratch this out of this young man. wrong thing to do. quinns methods are wrong here.
quinn is making this public and to that end, it forced the larry article to be written. there must have been momentum there for an explanation as to why you scratch your most talented dman.
for deangelo to say this :
“No; I’m pretty confident in myself as a player,” No. 77 told The Post before the Blueshirts’ 4-3 overtime defeat. “I’m also not as crazy as people might think I am.”
tells me this thing has been handled improperly.
this could have been handled differently and my fear is that the cure that quinn believes is best administered his way may actually be making the situation worse. this could work against ADA and his fixing this problem he has with maturity and chirping.
you keep shit in the locker room. keep it behind the doors. this wasnt handled properly and for that i blame quinn while at the same time acknowledging ADA is the start and the end to all of this.
Gardner McKay
RIP, Jimmy.
https://nypost.com/2019/02/04/how-tony-deangelo-is-getting-help-to-tackle-his-maturity-issue/
Seriously Larry? This is the a troll piece.
The kid plays with an edge. He steps on the line. When you play that close to the line sometimes you go over it. He is the most talented defenseman we have.
Seriously Larry? This is the a troll piece.
The kid plays with an edge. He steps on the line. When you play that close to the line sometimes you go over it. He is the most talented defenseman we have.
Gardner McKay
RIP, Jimmy.
I'm sorry ODC but I call bull****. He seems like an angry young man? Based on what, the fact that he chirps players during the game? The fact that he goes to the bench and continues to get under the skin of opposing teams?
ADA is a cocky kid that has the talent to back up his level of arrogance around his game. Finding that line takes time. He isn't an angry kid. That is just character assassination.
Edge
Kris King's Ghost
If nothing was said,they'd have chalked it up to mystery reasons and talked about the same old generic talking points from the coach. They'd have blamed it on personal reasons, and favoritism and any other reason we could come up with.
Look, I like ADA and want him to be a part of this team's future, but some of these conversations are turning into mental gymnastics at this point.
Irishguy42
Mr. Preachy
This ain't it, chief.
This was handled just fine. Quinn, and ADA himself, believe he's now in the best spot mentally after this conundrum.
offdacrossbar
misfit fanboy
based on his well documented behavior since major junior. its all there.
look, im a huge fan. i think hes our most talented dman. i have zero problem with the kid being chippy.
but this is a personal issue and one that shouldn't be handled like a hockey issue. thats my point. if hes not hurting the team, then keep it as a personal issue. scratching the kid isnt the right call.
his on ice demeanor isnt that of anyone else on the team- we get that. we have a bunch of vanilla players here. does it get anymore bland that brady skjei, chris kreider and jesper fast ??
i mean if this team needs a junkyard dog it goes to none other than the hobbit. all 5'6" of Norwegian thunder.
the deangelo play. let him be himself and stop with the david quinn power trip.
i just disagree on the way quinn has handled it.
LORDE
I am Lorde, YA YA YA
Honest question... did u read the article?
Another honest question... if you did how on Earth did you come to this conclusion?
Seems like he and Quinn are on the same page and that Quinn wants what’s best for him & his career... I say this because that’s an exact quote from ADA in this article.
offdacrossbar
misfit fanboy
nice try chief.
quinn said ADA was in a good place. ADA didnt say that. read it again.
He also said he thought the righty defenseman was “in the best place he’s been mentally” in the wake of several conversations between the men. Scratches, thus, perhaps as an intervention?
quinns opinion ? of course.
in fact ADA said he wanted to stay on the ice. thats the most telling thing to me.
"kids saying , im working on my personality issues and im better, but dont bench me"
this has been handled wrong.
Edge
Kris King's Ghost
A couple of standout items:
“We have had good talks. I know exactly what [Quinn] thinks of me, expects of me, and what he believes my career can become,” said DeAngelo, who played an impressive 17:49 paired primarily with Staal and set up Chris Kreider for the first goal with a centering feed from the right corner off a neat dash down the wall. “He explained that he’s trying to do what’s best for me over the long haul. We did talk about the big picture and what he wants for me as a player." --- shows me that communication is ongoing and there "ain't no mysteries."
“It’s an emotional game, I’m a competitor and sometimes I can lose control a little bit, but I’m working on it,” the South Jersey native said. “But I have to say that I’m much better now than I was in the past. I’ve got people helping me with it, but I’m also working on helping myself. I want to be able to stay on the ice.” --- shows me that both sides recognize the challenge and trying to work past it.
DeAngelo said the subject of visiting with a sports psychologist had been broached during discussions with management people, but that he is not seeing one at this point. “I’ve been through that, Tampa had someone, there was someone in Arizona, there was someone in the Soo [OHL Sault Ste. Marie]. I’ve talked to so many different people that at this point I don’t think that’s the way to go.” --- not a Quinn or even Rangers issue.
The Rangers are putting in the effort with DeAngelo not because it is the civically responsible thing to do, but because they believe the payoff is worth the work. There are holes throughout the organization, but the team’s largest hole is on the right side of the blue line, where there is a desperate need for a player with DeAngelo’s exact and considerable skill set. --- and this is why they keep working on things.
“We have had good talks. I know exactly what [Quinn] thinks of me, expects of me, and what he believes my career can become,” said DeAngelo, who played an impressive 17:49 paired primarily with Staal and set up Chris Kreider for the first goal with a centering feed from the right corner off a neat dash down the wall. “He explained that he’s trying to do what’s best for me over the long haul. We did talk about the big picture and what he wants for me as a player." --- shows me that communication is ongoing and there "ain't no mysteries."
“It’s an emotional game, I’m a competitor and sometimes I can lose control a little bit, but I’m working on it,” the South Jersey native said. “But I have to say that I’m much better now than I was in the past. I’ve got people helping me with it, but I’m also working on helping myself. I want to be able to stay on the ice.” --- shows me that both sides recognize the challenge and trying to work past it.
DeAngelo said the subject of visiting with a sports psychologist had been broached during discussions with management people, but that he is not seeing one at this point. “I’ve been through that, Tampa had someone, there was someone in Arizona, there was someone in the Soo [OHL Sault Ste. Marie]. I’ve talked to so many different people that at this point I don’t think that’s the way to go.” --- not a Quinn or even Rangers issue.
The Rangers are putting in the effort with DeAngelo not because it is the civically responsible thing to do, but because they believe the payoff is worth the work. There are holes throughout the organization, but the team’s largest hole is on the right side of the blue line, where there is a desperate need for a player with DeAngelo’s exact and considerable skill set. --- and this is why they keep working on things.
According to you, because you think that he should have a free pass to be on the ice at all times.
Then do and behave in a way that is being communicated to you.
In other words, he should be allowed to act the way that now 3 teams and multiple coaching staves have had issues with. And it is fantastic that we are now at the point that holding a player accountable is equal to being on a power trip. Let's all get a trophy and feel good about ourselves.
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Kris King's Ghost
Vinny DeAngelo
Jimmy Easy to defend
If ADA was a 32 year old Forward with all of the skill in Tanner Glass' pinky toe. The articles would be about how he stands up for teammates and plays with an edge that the team desperately needs.... His attitude is barely the problem, the problem is that a bunch of old writers and coaches don't like that the kid is so young and cocky.
Gardner McKay
RIP, Jimmy.
I really don't know if this is wrong. Part of me wants to say it is but it isn't.
If we weren't in the midst of a rebuild, I doubt this situation would be getting nearly the amount of attention it currently receives.
Edge
Kris King's Ghost
Seems to me that 3 separate franchises have come to a similar conclusion. Rather amazing that the herd group think on the Prodigy is that ALL coaches who have coached him are morons. ALL GMs of the teams are morons. ALL writers that have written about him are morons. And all of them are so old (Quinn is a geezer at 52 and just spent how many years coaching kids in college) and cannot appreciate the new age player. This precious angel that enlightens the entire league. Off course it HAS to be that they are old and idiots and just cannot recognize greatness when they see it. They just need to let him do whatever he wants to do, in whatever manner he wants to do it.
Gardner McKay
RIP, Jimmy.
Vinny DeAngelo
Jimmy Easy to defend
I never said anything about his previous teams... The previous teams argument is getting used so often. I'm talking about this current year. His attitude has been at or below the line for 95% of the games hes played...
Edge
Kris King's Ghost
I feel like this conversation is like talking to parents whose kid keeps getting into trouble and his parents want to blame the teachers, the school administration, the neighbors, their friends and everyone else who doesn't believe that maybe their kid has some growing up to do.
So let me put this out there.
What if ADA used a derogatory term and that was part of the reason for the scratch?
What if a ref came up and said to the coach, "Your boys on thin ice. Next time it's a misconduct."
Would that change anything? Or would we be more pissed that it "escaped the sanctity of the locker room"?
Because at this point, if something major came out about ADA, there's probably some people who be more upset that it got out than that ADA actually did it.
Matz03
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