Tomas Tatar
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Tatar is currently #8 in goal scoring for the entire league. Tied with players like John Tavares and Patrick Kane, while ahead of others like Malkin, Kessel, and Perry. Pretty crazy.
Ivo
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It was great job by Holland signing him for 3 years. Imagine the contract he would be signing after this season, if he continues this pace (36 goals pace).
And to think I was able to get Tatar in my keeper league using only Hodgson. Tats playing great!
I think you would be robbing Peter to pay Paul. The kid could put up 40 in his second year. Keep in mind that he did almost nothing for the first 8-9 games. He is on a torrid pace since then. He is on a killer contract. I don't see doing that deal.
Heaton
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IMO then we need to be happy with the defense we have. I in no way want to trade Tatar, but if we're not willing to trade any valuable pieces, we can't expect to upgrade our defense that way.
Yet it's blasphemy to even suggest trading Nyquist
Fun Fact: Tatar is responsible for nearly 20% of Detroit's ES goals. I hope people have a plan to make-up for that because a PMD isn't going to negate a 20% loss of ES production.
Is Tatar the only valuable piece that we have? Some people seem to act like it's either Tatar or nothing.
If Pulks or Jurco or even Mantha steps in and offsets some of that and the PMD covers the rest and then the wingers take some steps, it could.
It's all risky of course, but if you want to address your team's needs you have to take risks. Calculated risks. At this point it would take away a lot to pry away Tatar but it's not impossible.
Heaton
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The obvious difference is that Nyquist's name has never been brought up by beat writers. The majority of posters here want to upgrade the defense, but most aren't willing to entertain the idea of trading Nyquist, Tatar, Larkin, Mantha etc... So I have to come to the conclusion that they're happy with the defense or happy with small upgrades.
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If Tatar is not a reasonable option, can someone provide another solution that does not involve trading players like Kindl or Franzen?
Also I think you underestimate the impact an elite PMD can do on both sides of the puck.
Mantha? The same guy who's production has dropped 400% from last year in the Q? I'm not willing to take that bet. Jurco? Not the way Babcock has him playing. Pulkkinen should score a goal in the NHL before we even entertain the notion he can step in for Tatar.
It's not impossible, that's absolutely correct. But it had better be a true #1 defenseman on a good contract coming back.
Larkin is the only one I'm not willing to trade
Anyone not named Larkin.
I underestimate the impact of an elite PMD because I said he won't make up for a 20% loss of ES goals?
They absolutely help the offense. But they need to be passing to people that can put the puck in the net. Tatar is the only consistent goal scorer in ES right now, whether people want to accept that or not.
That is false. He has 20 goals. 9 from pp. We have 128 goals scored of which 41 were from the pp. So 11 into 87 is not 20% it is around 12-14%.
According to NHL.com team stats the Red Wings have 76 goals coming from 5 on 5. According to NHL.com Tatar has 6 PP goals and 20 total goals. 14/76 = 18.3%
I'll say it was a tad misleading as I only used 5 vs 5 goals. I honestly didn't think of adding 4 vs 4 and so on.
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Getting Yandle would lead to the puck being in the offensive zone a lot more, which would lead to the whole team getting more chances.
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this thread is getting a bit off topic but I think that Helm and Abdelkader are good trade pieces. Are they as valuable as Tatar? maybe not but they are both at an age where they are both due for raises, and it's time to evaluate whether or not they are worth a higher cap hit. Like Abdelkader who is having a career year has his value at an all time high, he could go back to being a 25 point player next year. I don't know, just something to think about.
Correct. But we're assuming that leads to goals which isn't crazy or out of this world or anything. But then we're assuming Franzen starts playing hockey again. Jurco takes a massive step from now until the playoffs. Pulkkinen actually scores a goal in the NHL. So on and so forth.
We're going from a known commodity to a bunch of unknown variables. I'm all for acquiring a #1-2 defensman because we all know they need one. But I've grown pretty tired of every proposal starting with Tatar who, by the way, seems to be getting better every game.
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Okay, but he's the only one that has been mentioned by someone, that's why people are starting with him.
ITT or in general or by beat writers? I'm just confused as to what you're trying to say, Heaton.
On HFBoards the entire roster is basically an untouchable list except for Tatar and Pulkkinen and has been for a while. I said anyone but Larkin in case you missed it / for the record.
InjuredChoker
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it would be team full of left handed playmakers outside of franzen.
they are already below average finishing team 5on5 (7th worst sh%). getting rid of our best goal scorer would make it worse. of course i'm giving him up for elite defenseman and they can help the team more than tatar can but we aren't getting those.
yandle wouldn't fix the issue on RD in top pairing either. ericsson on top pairing doesn't cut it.
Cyborg Yzerberg
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Absolutely. Only problem is how much Tatar truly drives possession. I think I could live with a trade made, but I'd be very uncomfortable with it. Which has been my position since day one. Yandle would solve a lot of our problems we have now, but trading Tatar might open holes up.
These are all fair points, too.
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