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With more minutes comes more time against the best the NHL has to offer. Depends on how he handles that over 82 games.
Tomas Tatar
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With more minutes comes more time against the best the NHL has to offer. Depends on how he handles that over 82 games.
detredWINgs
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Neither of those goals are very realistic, in my opinion. Datsyuk will already be down to playing ~75 games at most once he starts the season and I highly doubt he stays healthy for the remaining 6 months.
Also, there were just 51 players who scored 25 or more goals last season. Its unlikely that both will combine for 50 goals, especially if Datsyuk and Hank play 70+ games. Add in the fact that Mule has scored at a 20+ goal pace for the past 7 seasons, and Holland is basically hitching this contender status to this team having five 20 goal scorers. Last year we had one. It hasn't been since 2008-2009 that we had five 20+ goal scorers.
joe89
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Outside of that, Tatar and his line also got the most offensive zone starts on the team and were essentially the 2nd line offensively for half a season. Sure, I expect him to keep getting those type of minutes. But with a healthier team we'll see more of Zetterberg, Datsyuk and Franzen out on offensive zone draws when we need a goal, and a little less of Sheahan and Tatar than we did last year.
That said Tatar's PP time will be constant, who knows he might even work his way up on the 1st unit. And his PP production was low last year, so there's goals to gain there. At EVS, scoring the 17 goals he did last season again would be totally fine especially as he gets tougher assignments.
ricky0034
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i'd agree on Datsyuk but I don't see Nyquist and Tatar combining for 50 as unrealistic
I mean they almost did it last year(47)
Nyquist will cool down on the pace but he also only played 57 games last year
and some slight improvement from Tatar is hardly unreasonable and may or may not happen
will it happen? maybe not
but it's hardly unrealistic
detredWINgs
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But if you agree on Datsyuk/Hank not reaching that 140 game threshold, then that changes the argument. Holland is saying Tatar and Nyquist combining for 50 goals AND Hank and Datsyuk each essentially playing 70 games apiece is what will make this team a contender. What I'm saying is if Datsyuk and Zetterberg are playing 70+ games a piece, then that takes away time and opportunities from Tatar and Nyquist. Its not impossible, but Hank and Datsyuk aren't just other top 6 forwards. They're the go-to guys who will get the extra minutes with the game on the line and during other opportunistic moments like 5-on-3s.
I'm not saying its impossible, I just think its more likely that one or the other happens. Not both. Or if both do happen, then its at least partially due to the fact that Weiss and Franzen in particular have injury issues akin to last year. Because if Franzen/Hank/Datsyuk are healthy, and Tatar and Nyquist score a combined 50 goals, thats almost guaranteed to be five 20+ goal scorers. And I guess I just doubt that that will come to fruition. Not with the offensive abyss on our back-end, the opposite of which greatly contributed to our having five 20 goal scorers the last time around.
The jump between a 3rd line defense and 1st line is quite dramatic. Look at the Wings. It's the difference between matching up against Datsyuk/Zetterberg and Kronwall/Ericsson vs. Glendening/Helm and Kindl/Lashoff.
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'ello Red Wings fans, Flames fan here if you couldn't somehow tell from the avatar and signature.
How has Tatar looked this October? I noticed he's not scoring much but is that indicative of his overall level of play thus far effort-wise, or is that just a bit of bad puck-luck? Also, how well does he play on Sheahan's wing?
How has Tatar looked this October? I noticed he's not scoring much but is that indicative of his overall level of play thus far effort-wise, or is that just a bit of bad puck-luck? Also, how well does he play on Sheahan's wing?
GoAwayDanCleary
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Effort has been there like always. Just a mix of tough puck luck at the beginning of the season and recently he's been trying to do to much with the puck. Once he gets a goal I wouldn't be surprised to see him pot a few more quickly, he's very good when his confidence is high.
For sure. Tatar will find his way out of the negative and score again. He has a great future in front of him.
By the way, saw a great Tribute about him on YouTube. Maybe you're interested...
He is averaging more shots per game than he did last year (tied for 2nd on the team right now). His possession numbers are still solid despite substantially less sheltered useage. He has hit two posts this year; if one of those goes in he's on a 20-25 goal pace right now and no one is talking about him. As far as I am concerned, that "Tatar is struggling" narrative is a small sample size fiction.
Michael Brand Eggs
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Yup. He's had glorious chances in every game so far. Eventually they're gonna go in. There's not much more to it.
Cyborg Yzerberg
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The original plan in camp was to have him with Datsyuk and Helm so I'm ok with it. Once we get Franzen back Sheahan will have 2 solid line mates.
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This guy is a total ham and a total character, I love it.
Nice hand placement Tats. Alright now get your head back into the game and cut back on those turnovers.
Based on his other IG posts, I am pretty sure that is his Girlfriend. Don't think that first sentence in your post is relevant here...
Vladdy84
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Daaayum Tats. Must really suck to be an NHL player.
You're right, I guess that is completely irrelevant. I guess I'm just not pleased with his production. I expected him to take a step forward and not a step back this year, especially with a contract extension and more ice time. Wings fans love bashing some players when they don't produce (Franzen in particular), yet barely anything is being said about Tatar. I understand he is still getting chances, but chances are not good enough in this league, especially when you play for a team that is already offensively challenged, and are expected to be a key piece to the secondary scoring.
I love Tatar as much as everyone, but he needs to start producing, and this has to start right away. 1 point in 8 games is not gonna cut it, especially since Babcock is actually giving him legitimate top 6 minutes so far this year.
He hasnt gotten the points but he has been consistently damn close. He probably deserves to be around 4-5, not 1.
So because he isn't scoring like you'd expect he should just not live his life and have fun at all? How are you performing at your job?
Look 2 comments up, I reworded what I was trying to say. It was a dumb thing to say that the girls he hangs out with is affecting his play. I just think we need way more from him on the ice. He needs to produce, we are already counting on him to be a 40-55 point guy, so he needs to get going. "Getting chances" and "he's really close" simply doesn't cut it for me.
detredWINgs
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I'm hoping he's just in for a Desharnais type of year. Anyone else remember how Desharnais took 25-30 games to get his first goal of the season and was being taunted by the mayor for his game? He had like 8 points in his first 30 games or something. By the end of the season, he had 52.
Edit: DD had 1 point his first 19 games and 10 through his first 31. Then 42 points through his last 48 games.
Edit: DD had 1 point his first 19 games and 10 through his first 31. Then 42 points through his last 48 games.
detredWINgs
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I'd like to see the stats. Sheahan was just on record saying that their line was facing the same guys they were last year. Maybe that's an erroneous perception on his part but, either way, I think the pressure of being expected to score is what's getting to them.
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