Value of: Tomas Hertl

[Gecklund]

The Jets have Schiefele and Dubois for top 6 centers. While I'm sure they would love to add Hertl, I doubt they're willing to pay nearly as much as some other teams might.

Kind of forgot Dubois existed and was thinking Stastny was still the 2C. I agree with your point though.

 

[Pinkfloyd]

The Jets have Schiefele and Dubois for top 6 centers. While I'm sure they would love to add Hertl, I doubt they're willing to pay nearly as much as some other teams might.

But do they have the appropriate wingers in that top six? Hertl will be a significant upgrade on Stastny and Harkins at this point but I agree the motivation would not be as strong as other playoff teams that may be involved here.

 

[SingnBluesOnBroadway]

Kravtsov is not someone I'd likely center a deal around. The Sharks need centers especially with Hertl potentially moving on in this sort of deal. Since the Rangers probably don't have anything like that available for this deal, I'd probably just want the 1st and 2nd.

Any interest in Chytil? Obv not one-for-one.

 

[Pinkfloyd]

Any interest in Chytil? Obv not one-for-one.

There would be some interest but I don't think it's all that much. I think Chytil would make a better 3C for the Sharks than Bonino and move him down to 4C but I don't know that I'd look at him in a Hertl deal.

 

[SingnBluesOnBroadway]

There would be some interest but I don't think it's all that much. I think Chytil would make a better 3C for the Sharks than Bonino and move him down to 4C but I don't know that I'd look at him in a Hertl deal.

Chytil and VK as the main pieces?

 

[slim399]

I wouldn’t trade him for less than a first+good prospect. The Bruins are probably on paper one of the better fits. Ideally we get Lysell from them but if we can’t something like 1st+Beecher+cap I’d do.

Debrusk, Beecher and 1st. let’s wrap it up.

 

[BKarchitect]

Nobody is trading for a Hertl-level player without having a desire to re-sign him and a concept of what that would take. There are no guarantees of course but that doesn’t mean he’s going for a deep discount, it simply means he’s available - which is a rarity for a big, top line two-way center who just turned 28. This isn’t adding a veteran second pair pure rental defenseman for a first or a couple of seconds. This is adding a core piece to your franchise.

Seems Sharks fans are being pretty reasonable with an ask for a very good blue chip prospect with legit upside and a late first. And willing to take back cap. That should generate tons of interest around the league.

 

[Pinkfloyd]

Chytil and VK as the main pieces?

I could see the team having interest just due to both likely being NHL contributors next season but it'd be at depth levels with little potential to hit the top end. If those two came with their 1st, I'd probably say yes but I'm betting you wouldn't and I think that would be fair enough. If the Sharks are letting Hertl go, they need to get an asset that will yield the most potential down the middle. In this particular situation, it very well could be someone like Chytil. Hertl has a three team trade list and it's unknown if he'd be willing to expand it. I wouldn't dismiss it outright but it's not going to be a great looking deal to make either. I'm just saying it's quite possible that Hertl may put them in such a situation.

 

[matt trick]

Nobody is trading for a Hertl-level player without having a desire to re-sign him and a concept of what that would take. There are no guarantees of course but that doesn’t mean he’s going for a deep discount, it simply means he’s available - which is a rarity for a big, top line two-way center who just turned 28. This isn’t adding a veteran second pair pure rental defenseman for a first or a couple of seconds. This is adding a core piece to your franchise.

Seems Sharks fans are being pretty reasonable with an ask for a very good blue chip prospect with legit upside and a late first. And willing to take back cap. That should generate tons of interest around the league.

In general I agree with you, but Hertl's been pretty good in his playoff runs. The last two he produced at a 65+ points rate, but he was better than that from a play driving perspective. He's great defensively, brings size, can play all positions. If I were a top 10 team and thought I had a legit shot at the cup, it's easily worth giving up a 1st and a good prospect to get the best available forward. He's a dream deadline acquisition, but just about any team should want him long-term unless your cap is already allocated to core or non-movable players.

 

[SingnBluesOnBroadway]

I could see the team having interest just due to both likely being NHL contributors next season but it'd be at depth levels with little potential to hit the top end. If those two came with their 1st, I'd probably say yes but I'm betting you wouldn't and I think that would be fair enough. If the Sharks are letting Hertl go, they need to get an asset that will yield the most potential down the middle. In this particular situation, it very well could be someone like Chytil. Hertl has a three team trade list and it's unknown if he'd be willing to expand it. I wouldn't dismiss it outright but it's not going to be a great looking deal to make either. I'm just saying it's quite possible that Hertl may put them in such a situation.

Not sure I would do Chytil, VK and a 1. Could look to do the three and either the NYR or STL 2nd (which ever is the better pick) for Hertl and a swap of 3rds.

 

[BKarchitect]

In general I agree with you, but Hertl's been pretty good in his playoff runs. The last two he produced at a 65+ points rate, but he was better than that from a play driving perspective. He's great defensively, brings size, can play all positions. If I were a top 10 team and thought I had a legit shot at the cup, it's easily worth giving up a 1st and a good prospect to get the best available forward. He's a dream deadline acquisition, but just about any team should want him long-term unless your cap is already allocated to core or non-movable players.

Yup, he’s a #1 center who just turned 28 and can drive play on an entire sheet of ice. Those guys don’t become available often. Via trade or free agency.

 

[Groo]

Kravtsov not worth the investment?

Not as a main piece for Hertl he isn't

 

[DarthProbert]

Make him the 2C in Detroit, get Vrana back from injury, and Detroit is suddenly back in business.

 

[Pinkfloyd]

Not sure I would do Chytil, VK and a 1. Could look to do the three and either the NYR or STL 2nd (which ever is the better pick) for Hertl and a swap of 3rds.

I would understand that but it seems like three quarters for a dollar sort of trade. I'd rather have a 1st and one of those two than both and a late 2nd.

 

[rangersfansince08]

I'd give up a lot but not sure how the Rangers can resign him.

 

[57special]

MN might trade for him and not re-sign him. If they do re-sign him then they certainly won't resign Fiala, and would trade his RFA rights in the off season. I think they would be a Cup contender with Hertl, especially in the weakened West. A 1st and one of Beckman/O'Rourke/Peart/Marat?

 

[KrisLetAngry]

I wanted him on the Penguins but we won't be able to re-sign him or realistically afford him.

Maybe Boston goes after him?
Whoever adds him to there roster is going to feel great about it.

The ask is probably and it seems shark fans understand that.
1st + A prospect not S tier or a young player with upside.

Is probably the deal with cap being swapped

 

[Pinkfloyd]

MN might trade for him and not re-sign him. If they do re-sign him then they certainly won't resign Fiala, and would trade his RFA rights in the off season. I think they would be a Cup contender with Hertl, especially in the weakened West. A 1st and one of Beckman/O'Rourke/Peart/Marat?

I think I'd accept Marat and a 1st for Hertl at this stage if it were offered.

 

[Crazy Joe Divola]

Kravtsov is not someone I'd likely center a deal around. The Sharks need centers especially with Hertl potentially moving on in this sort of deal. Since the Rangers probably don't have anything like that available for this deal, I'd probably just want the 1st and 2nd.

I’d not settle for less than two 1sts or 1st and good prospect. The teams that might try to acquire him will likely be picking in the 20-32 range and I’m not down with trading hertl for the 29th and 47th pick on whatever draft.

 

[Kaen]

But do they have the appropriate wingers in that top six? Hertl will be a significant upgrade on Stastny and Harkins at this point but I agree the motivation would not be as strong as other playoff teams that may be involved here.

They have Connor, Ehlers, Wheeler, Copp and Stastny as wingers capable of playing top 6. Harkins is currently the #10 in aTOI for Jet forwards with 10:54 and has played almost exclusively bottom 6 minutes (I see daily faceoff has him as 2RW, but he doesn't play there unless the coach is shuffling things around).

While Hertl would be arguably the second best winger on the team, he is not enough of an improvement to justify the high price that other teams would likely pay for him to play 1/2C. Not because he isn't a great player, but because the Jets need for him is a lot less than other teams. If the Sharks were willing to move him for cheap however... sarcasm:I realize that isn't happening)

 

[Pinkfloyd]

I’d not settle for less than two 1sts or 1st and good prospect. The teams that might try to acquire him will likely be picking in the 20-32 range and I’m not down with trading hertl for the 29th and 47th pick on whatever draft.

Just depends on what the options are. I'm not down with keeping Hertl and letting him walk just because nobody is willing to part with two 1st round picks or a 1st and a good prospect. I get that it sucks but they can't take nothing out of this and Hertl has some leverage with his three team trade list.

 

[Pinkfloyd]

They have Connor, Ehlers, Wheeler, Copp and Stastny as wingers capable of playing top 6. Harkins is currently the #10 in aTOI for Jet forwards with 10:54 and has played almost exclusively bottom 6 minutes (I see daily faceoff has him as 2RW, but he doesn't play there unless the coach is shuffling things around).

While Hertl would be arguably the second best winger on the team, he is not enough of an improvement to justify the high price that other teams would likely pay for him to play 1/2C. Not because he isn't a great player, but because the Jets need for him is a lot less than other teams. If the Sharks were willing to move him for cheap however... sarcasm:I realize that isn't happening)

I think it's debateable that he'd be enough of an improvement to justify the high price even if you were to slide him over to the wing. He's able to control the game to that degree and be versatile.

 

[Stewie Griffin]

MN might trade for him and not re-sign him. If they do re-sign him then they certainly won't resign Fiala, and would trade his RFA rights in the off season. I think they would be a Cup contender with Hertl, especially in the weakened West. A 1st and one of Beckman/O'Rourke/Peart/Marat?

I'm sure any of those prospects would get it done, but I'll take O'Rourke or Marat with a first. Huge fans of both of those guys in particular.

 

[SingnBluesOnBroadway]

I'd give up a lot but not sure how the Rangers can resign him.

You take the money that would go to Strome and put it towards Hertl and then you make moves to make it happen.

 

[heisenbergsitti]

MN might trade for him and not re-sign him. If they do re-sign him then they certainly won't resign Fiala, and would trade his RFA rights in the off season. I think they would be a Cup contender with Hertl, especially in the weakened West. A 1st and one of Beckman/O'Rourke/Peart/Marat?

Minnesota is stacked with injuries, and have just lost 5 straight! In what world do upj think wild are going to trade a player they just drafted last year who they traded up for in peart? Marat, and O'Rourke are also up there