Confirmed with Link: Tomas Hertl 17% retained, 2025 3rd, 2027 3rd to Vegas for C David Edstrom, 2025 1st

[LilLeeroy]

Did any previous successful rebuilds (Tampa, Chicago, LA) ever involve sending fan favorites to direct division rivals to help them win championships?

Thats the worst part of the trade. If Hertl was traded to Florida for example i dont think there would be as much anger.

Hopefully Hertl is their Karlsson and ends up being the catalyst in their demise.

 

[mogambomoroo]

Hopefully Hertl is their Karlsson and ends up being the catalyst in their demise.

To some degree I believe they will be just ok, not as over the top as people believe.

 

[SJSharksfan39]

I've been reading various analysis on this trade and people are commending Grier for this trade. I hope in the long run it is a good trade, but I feel emotional about losing the current popular player (Again) and him going to the biggest rivals. I'm curious what is the actual plan on this rebuild because you can't just put all your trust in prospects. I'm starting to think that prospects, no matter how highly they are rated don't pan out more than they do. This team needs mentorship, leadership, and someone to guide the young guys to seek their potential. Who is going to do that? Hertl is gone. Couture might be back next season but that is hard to say, and goalies are not mentors. Our veterans are guys like Vlasic, Kunin, and Zetterlund and Grunland. That doesn't really give me confidence.

I also wish it wasn't Vegas. Pavelski went to Dallas, why couldn't Hertl go to a team like Florida. I watch both and could see both and cheer for both. I can't cheer for Hertl on Vegas.

Grier really said years away? So we're looking at a decade (maybe) of crap hockey (The years before, during and after)? I guess that's our punishment for being successful all throughout the 2000s and 2010s.

 

[Celly4Celebrini]

Dude missed three games in the last two years. And guess what, if he's not playing at 34 then we didn't have to worry about his contract anyways so that aspect is moot.

im more concerned with the assets than the contract. we got 2 first round picks essentially for Hertl and 2 3rds. I think thats a decent haul.

 

[sharski]

We have a TON of really exciting prospects coming in and I'm excited about that, but man, winning Celebrini will go a long way in helping me stomach this.

Bettman: "We have a trade to announce. The San Jose Sharks have traded... Macklin Celebrini and their 2025 first round pick to the Las Vegas Golden Knights for 3 first round picks in 2028, 2030 and 2032. Anaheim is back on the clock for the second overall pick..."

 

[Sandisfan]

lol

yes

extremely under


They have no fans, fake team, fake fanbase, front runners, as soon as the winning stops so will their attendance

I think their defense to bad attendance if they ever get as bad as the present Sharks is they could buy time in Chicago, New York and other cold weather teams, game broadcasts and advertise winter Vacation packages with tickets for their local teams. That would give them something like 15 Games or so to inflate their earnings.

 

[YUPPY 2 7 10 11]

im more concerned with the assets than the contract. we got 2 first round picks essentially for Hertl and 2 3rds. I think thats a decent haul.

Ah, no We just got one 1st round 2025 and last year #32 pick in (C) David Edstrom. The two 3rd rounders is from SJ to Vegas. They got our two 3rd rounders 2025 snd 2027 not the other way around.

 

[hohosaregood]

I've been reading various analysis on this trade and people are commending Grier for this trade. I hope in the long run it is a good trade, but I feel emotional about losing the current popular player (Again) and him going to the biggest rivals. I'm curious what is the actual plan on this rebuild because you can't just put all your trust in prospects. I'm starting to think that prospects, no matter how highly they are rated don't pan out more than they do. This team needs mentorship, leadership, and someone to guide the young guys to seek their potential. Who is going to do that? Hertl is gone. Couture might be back next season but that is hard to say, and goalies are not mentors. Our veterans are guys like Vlasic, Kunin, and Zetterlund and Grunland. That doesn't really give me confidence.

I also wish it wasn't Vegas. Pavelski went to Dallas, why couldn't Hertl go to a team like Florida. I watch both and could see both and cheer for both. I can't cheer for Hertl on Vegas.

Grier really said years away? So we're looking at a decade (maybe) of crap hockey (The years before, during and after)? I guess that's our punishment for being successful all throughout the 2000s and 2010s.

Reading some stuff on osteitis pubis, it really seems plausible that couture is done. Some anecdotes mention people dealing with it for over a year and some never really getting over it.

This team is practically a fresh slate now. I don't know where this team goes next without Couture and Hertl. I kinda hope we can just throw like $5-6m each to Dillon and Demelo to hold down the fort while we're going through this. Not to mention our defense outside of Vlasic is like $8m in total.

 

[Celly4Celebrini]

Ah, no We just got one 1st round 2025 and last year #32 pick in (C) David Edstrom. The two 3rd rounders is from SJ to Vegas. They got our two 3rd rounders 2025 snd 2027 not the other way around.

yeah i know. im valuing Edstrom as a first rounder, which is why i said essentially. 3rd rounders, especially with one in 2027 is no big loss for me. That 2025 2nd is gonna be early though.

But on 32 thoughts, theyre talking about how the sharks might have been very concerned about his knees. Especially with how good will he be. Imagine we dont do this now, and in 2 years he can play but at a 3rd line level. Then we get no value back, and likely have to pay to dump the contract

 

[Karl Prime]

yeah i know. im valuing Edstrom as a first rounder, which is why i said essentially. 3rd rounders, especially with one in 2027 is no big loss for me. That 2025 2nd is gonna be early though.

But on 32 thoughts, theyre talking about how the sharks might have been very concerned about his knees. Especially with how good will he be. Imagine we dont do this now, and in 2 years he can play but at a 3rd line level. Then we get no value back, and likely have to pay to dump the contract

I think you mean 3rd. It probably will be early, but that's still 65-70. If they get a 3rd from some other deal, the difference in spots won't be that great.

 

[CanadienShark]

I'm already grumpy and didn't need to see this. f*** you, Grier. f*** you. You suck.

 

[LilLeeroy]

I'm already grumpy and didn't need to see this. f*** you, Grier. f*** you. You suck.

At least he didn't pick Reinbacher or trade a first for Newhook, and we have Smith and Musty to look forward to.

 

[CanadienShark]

At least he didn't pick Reinbacher or trade a first for Newhook, and we have Smith and Musty to look forward to.

Is there a way I can kick you in the teeth remotely?

 

[TheBigDrunkPanda]

I've been reading various analysis on this trade and people are commending Grier for this trade. I hope in the long run it is a good trade, but I feel emotional about losing the current popular player (Again) and him going to the biggest rivals. I'm curious what is the actual plan on this rebuild because you can't just put all your trust in prospects. I'm starting to think that prospects, no matter how highly they are rated don't pan out more than they do. This team needs mentorship, leadership, and someone to guide the young guys to seek their potential. Who is going to do that? Hertl is gone. Couture might be back next season but that is hard to say, and goalies are not mentors. Our veterans are guys like Vlasic, Kunin, and Zetterlund and Grunland. That doesn't really give me confidence.

I also wish it wasn't Vegas. Pavelski went to Dallas, why couldn't Hertl go to a team like Florida. I watch both and could see both and cheer for both. I can't cheer for Hertl on Vegas.

Grier really said years away? So we're looking at a decade (maybe) of crap hockey (The years before, during and after)? I guess that's our punishment for being successful all throughout the 2000s and 2010s.

It’s better to underpromise and over deliver then over promise and under deliver, so it’s fine that he’s saying years. No guarantees Smith and whoever they draft this year pans out

 

[TheWayToRefJose]

I’m still not happy about the return at all, but, I’ll trust Grier. I wasn’t thrilled at the Timo return and that looks pretty good so far. Same with Karlsson.

Trying to look at the bright side, this gives us ammo to move up in this years first (our 2nd + VGK first, VGK + Pit first) and maybe snag one of the 5-6 really good D men this year. Hertl also wanted out and he has a very good chance at winning the cup.

 

[YUPPY 2 7 10 11]

I'm already grumpy and didn't need to see this. f*** you, Grier. f*** you. You suck.

Rebuilds are tough and the tear downs hurt so much. But it is needed for us to be good again.

The Sharks were a tough team to play against at one time but we must let go of players that have ties to the past playoff sharks team like Colture and Hertl.

Thats going to be a tough road and long long time before we get the opportunity to win once again in the playoffs.

 

[timorous me]

Interesting looking back to Corey Pronman's recap of last year's draft for his thoughts then on Edstrom.

Tier: Bubble top and middle of the lineup player

Player comparable: Joel Eriksson Ek

Edstrom is good around the net, kills penalties, wins a lot of battles and makes enough plays with the puck to produce good offensive numbers. He has good hands, and can create offense with pace. His skating for his size is intriguing and grew on me as the season went along. He has the makings of a potential top six two-way center in the NHL.

Thoughts on the pick: Edstrom was my clear top-rated player left at this spot of the draft. I know there were some offensive upside questions with him, but I saw the offense in his game as the season progressed. He’s big, he can skate, he competes, and I think there’s enough skill for him to play a meaningful role on an NHL team down the middle. Vegas won a Stanley Cup with players like this.

https://theathletic.com/4645546/2023/06/28/nhl-draft-2023-first-round-grades-analysis/

 

[coooldude]

Interesting looking back to Corey Pronman's recap of last year's draft for his thoughts then on Edstrom.


Pronman: NHL Draft analysis for every first-round pick

Perhaps not surprisingly, Pronman gave the sharks an A- on the deal and the Knights a B-.

That's three contributors on the athletic all giving grier an A. So that lessens the sting a bit.

 

[timorous me]

Perhaps not surprisingly, Pronman gave the sharks an A- on the deal and the Knights a B-.

That's three contributors on the athletic all giving grier an A. So that lessens the sting a bit.

Yeah, I was out running errands (renewing my passport so I can be in Ireland during the SCF, lol) and didn't sit down to process this deal for a while, so I sort of stewed in my emotions and once I got home was able to sit down and see things with a different perspective.

And I also sat there all afternoon thinking back to what a friend of mine, a doctor who doesn't follow the Sharks and NHL that much anymore, said after I told him Hertl was having another knee surgery: basically, that's really bad news, probably a sign of a deteriorating arthritic knee (or something along those lines), and he's going to be toast before long.

I tried to argue that as best I could at the time, but it's stuck in my head, obviously, and I can't help but wonder how much the Sharks' knowledge about Hertl's health and how it'll affect his performance going forward contributed to making this deal now, before it became impossible.

 

[Jargon]

Yeah, I was out running errands (renewing my passport so I can be in Ireland during the SCF, lol) and didn't sit down to process this deal for a while, so I sort of stewed in my emotions and once I got home was able to sit down and see things with a different perspective.

And I also sat there all afternoon thinking back to what a friend of mine, a doctor who doesn't follow the Sharks and NHL that much anymore, said after I told him Hertl was having another knee surgery: basically, that's really bad news, probably a sign of a deteriorating arthritic knee (or something along those lines), and he's going to be toast before long.

I tried to argue that as best I could at the time, but it's stuck in my head, obviously, and I can't help but wonder how much the Sharks' knowledge about Hertl's health and how it'll affect his performance going forward contributed to making this deal now, before it became impossible.

On one hand I love Hertl and want him to win a Cup, on the other, I want his kneecap to fly off and decapitate Eichel in game 7 of the Cup finals.

 

[Hossa]

Quick thinking, moves around the ice like an NHLer even if he doesn't have blazing speed, his size and play matches an NHLer. Really can dominate the net front. He's a very solid prospect. He is one of those guys that feels like an NHL center that can really cement himself into a lineup with timely goals and smart plays. He's a third line center in the making. Doesn't have the standout skills or what have you to be a top 6 though. You'd really hope for a top 6 projected player for Hertl but it just wasn't going to happen with his contract, age, injury history.

Agree with this. Good chance he's a great third line centre, with a reasonable chance he can slide up as a second line centre in the Eriksson Ek / Danault / Zacha / Coyle mould at times. Either way, the kind of guy who helps a middle six line on a good team. A lot of the public sphere scouts who lean towards smaller scorers (eg. Wheeler, the EP crowd) have been lower on Edstrom, but those like Pronman that draw upon NHL sources are higher and talk about second line upside, especially after a late season rise last year, which has carried over into a very good season on a very good SHL team. How you classify the upside is a bit a matter of semantics and deployment, but the bottom line is he has the upside to be a needle moving centre in the NHL, though understandably not with the upside of a guy like Hertl, which is why it hurts for many I'm sure.

Personally, I've watched Edstrom closely since late last year and like him a lot. He's not a typical centre in that he's not a great transporter, but he does play strong in the middle, comes back very well down low, and very good on face-offs. Quick thinking as said above, can play with skilled wingers and has good awareness around the net. Doesn't distribute with a lot of creativity but makes quick plays, and tracks the play well offensively. The Eriksson Ek comparison is often out there (though Eriksson Ek is meaner) and the trajectories line up very well, though few expected Eriksson Ek to push towards a point per game at his peak. But that shows how far playing quick, heavy and smart can go with the right level of skill.

 

[slocal]

On one hand I love Hertl and want him to win a Cup, on the other, I want his kneecap to fly off and decapitate Eichel in game 7 of the Cup finals.

I believe Ivan Drago said it best for how I feel about him now that I know he wanted out:

No hate, just indifferent to him now. He was a bright spot for us, but he was no Jumbo or Pavs in my eyes.

 

[Jargon]

I believe Ivan Drago said it best for how I feel about him now that I know he wanted out:

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No hate, just indifferent to him now. He was a bright spot for us, but he was no Jumbo or Pavs in my eyes.

I actually agree. I liked Hertl a lot but Pavs and Jumbo were the Sharks for me. Hertl was sort of a secondary sidekick character.

 

[BaileyMacTavish]

Agree with this. Good chance he's a great third line centre, with a reasonable chance he can slide up as a second line centre in the Eriksson Ek / Danault / Zacha / Coyle mould at times. Either way, the kind of guy who helps a middle six line on a good team. A lot of the public sphere scouts who lean towards smaller scorers (eg. Wheeler, the EP crowd) have been lower on Edstrom, but those like Pronman that draw upon NHL sources are higher and talk about second line upside, especially after a late season rise last year, which has carried over into a very good season on a very good SHL team. How you classify the upside is a bit a matter of semantics and deployment, but the bottom line is he has the upside to be a needle moving centre in the NHL, though understandably not with the upside of a guy like Hertl, which is why it hurts for many I'm sure.

Personally, I've watched Edstrom closely since late last year and like him a lot. He's not a typical centre in that he's not a great transporter, but he does play strong in the middle, comes back very well down low, and very good on face-offs. Quick thinking as said above, can play with skilled wingers and has good awareness around the net. Doesn't distribute with a lot of creativity but makes quick plays, and tracks the play well offensively. The Eriksson Ek comparison is often out there (though Eriksson Ek is meaner) and the trajectories line up very well, though few expected Eriksson Ek to push towards a point per game at his peak. But that shows how far playing quick, heavy and smart can go with the right level of skill.

Getting an JEE type of guy would be nice considering everything.

 

[Hodge]

Did any previous successful rebuilds (Tampa, Chicago, LA) ever involve sending fan favorites to direct division rivals to help them win championships?

Thats the worst part of the trade. If Hertl was traded to Florida for example i dont think there would be as much anger.

Hertl's contract is still a ticking time bomb. I love that it's Vegas' problem now.