Confirmed with Link: Tomas Hertl 17% retained, 2025 3rd, 2027 3rd to Vegas for C David Edstrom, 2025 1st

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At the end of the day... Hertl chose to waive the NMC. Helps rationalize this. But this is a slow and painful rebuild.
We have no idea how this was talked about between him and MG. I honestly feel worse knowing Hertl accepted it. That’s how low this team has sank. I’m not upset with the return. I really like Edstrom. I do feel like we shouldn’t have given up the pair of 3rds but I just feel like why Vegas. I get it’s business but he’s the heart of teal town… he deserves better than the Vegas ******* Knights
 
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That would be on the lower end of outcomes, I suppose…
Getting Goodrow is probably his 50% outcome - the odds are that half of all outcomes for Edstrom wind up worse than Goodrow. Probably more than half, quite frankly - most prospects bust.
 

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Getting Goodrow is probably his 50% outcome - the odds are that half of all outcomes for Edstrom wind up worse than Goodrow. Probably more than half, quite frankly - most prospects bust.
How do you come to that conclusion comparing a 32 pick vs a guy that went undrafted?
 
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Getting Goodrow is probably his 50% outcome - the odds are that half of all outcomes for Edstrom wind up worse than Goodrow. Probably more than half, quite frankly - most prospects bust.

I disagree. Most projections see him as a 3rd line center, some see more upside. His transition to play against men has been successful.

While there is a chance he could bust, your selling him too low with those numbers (imho).
 

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The team has 18 players locked up and I have no doubt March will be back on a team friendly deal.
A 20 man roster, with Stone, Hertl, and March on the roster at the same contracts as of today. Vegas will be starting the season 8 million over the cap.

Without all the injured players back the knights has 14 signed and 9 million in cap space.

Unless they can find another 18 million in LTIR contracts, they will be having a hard time signing hanifin, March and a few others.
 

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I guess I’ll go to a few Las Vegas Sharks games for the playoffs. I want to see Hertl hoist a cup. If he does, I’ll actually go to the victory parade.
 

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Apart from this Hertl trade since Mike Grier has taken over, in terms of trades, I've liked:

- Trading down in the 2022 Entry Draft (They got Lund, Havelid, and Bystedt out of that)
- Meier trade (Mukhamadullin has upside, Musty is seriously nasty, Zetterlund has been fine)
- Blackwood for a 6th
- Swapping Duclair for Jack Thompson

The Sharks went from having no real future and no prospects to one of the better prospect pools while also tanking. It's ugly now, but I think this will probably get better.

Not Sharks anymore.

Devils now.
 
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Apart from this Hertl trade since Mike Grier has taken over, in terms of trades, I've liked:

- Trading down in the 2022 Entry Draft (They got Lund, Havelid, and Bystedt out of that)
- Meier trade (Mukhamadullin has upside, Musty is seriously nasty, Zetterlund has been fine)
- Blackwood for a 6th
- Swapping Duclair for Jack Thompson

The Sharks went from having no real future and no prospects to one of the better prospect pools while also tanking. It's ugly now, but I think this will probably get better.

I agree with you for the most part. The bold for me though is still up in the air.

MG looks like a genius If like two of Lund / Bystedt / Havelid hit.

But it's still crazy that we passed on

> Nazar, Mateychuk, Kemell, Lekkerimäki at #11
> and then Kulich at #27 (or Lambert if he was your cup of tea).

Scouts were certainly honed in on Savoie or Mintyukov.

Lets see how it plays out
 

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Echo what was said here, GMMG helping Vegas win another cup in completely tone def to the fan base. if you can't get .50/dollar value then trade out of the damn division. It would be welcome if the media gave some objective analysis and held Sharks Mgmt accountable. I don;t want to see quotes in 2028 explaining that we had to trade Eklund because he wanted to win. Next season is another washout- fine enjoy seeing other lackluster prospects in front of 12k fans. But if they are not competing for a playoff spot 25-26 the ownership should clean out everyone. Thats what should be an incredibly low bar to clear. To teardown and just hope to get the #1 overall pick is lazy.
Do you want objective analysis or do you just want someone to agree with your emotional fan oriented take?
 
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This one Herts. Anyone else felt this low as a Sharks fan? I’ve watched almost every game since 2002 but this just hits different. Was even at game 6 of the SCF but this just feels different. I believe in Mike Grier but at the same time…. is this city really gonna survive this scorched earth rebuild? Damn Joe Will for offering that contract but after it was signed, Hertl was meant to retire in teal.

Experiences that were lower than this:
- Reverse sweep. Question everything about your core's ability to ever win (and ultimately be proven right)
- game 6 in person in 2016. Feeling like we might never get back there with this core. Seeing how cool the cup looked in person but having to watch the pens skate it around.
- selanne misses the open net.
- Losing 4 straight to the oilers in 2006.
- losing 3 straight to the wings in 2007 and then the ducks win the cup.
- losing in 3OT to the stars after Nabby's miracle save. Watching alone at home until the early morning with fists clenched the whole time and then the complete emptiness of the loss.
- the worst of all for me: 2020, having no hope, a horrendous cap situation, and seeing our 4th overall pick go to the senators as insult to injury. Signing Karlsson who I never liked to a long term contract and feeling pretty strongly that it was the beginning of an ugly end. Knowing that all those years ended in nothing. This moment made me basically stop caring and barely follow the games until the Grier hiring.

This moment is painful but actually good and hope inducing. We have a lot to look forward to.
 

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Did any previous successful rebuilds (Tampa, Chicago, LA) ever involve sending fan favorites to direct division rivals to help them win championships?

Thats the worst part of the trade. If Hertl was traded to Florida for example i dont think there would be as much anger.
If Florida was willing to offer the same package and Hertl was willing to go there then that’s obviously where he’d be. Listen to the Grier presser. It’s not like Vegas was his preferred destination to send him to, but they offered the best package. What Hertl does with Vegas or anyone else isn’t and shouldn’t be of any concern to the GM. His job is to get the best package that gets the Sharks closest to competing and that’s it.

I’d be on board with a fire Grier train if he was in the business of making emotion based decisions rather than extracting the best possible package.
 

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When Grier took over he had so many bad contracts:

Burns (8M, 3 years that ended at age 40)
Vlasic (7M, 5 years that ended at age 38)
Karlsson (11.5M, 5 years until age 36)
Couture (8M for 5 years until age 37)
Hertl (8M for 8 years until age 36)
Labanc (4.75M for 2 years)
Meier (10M qualifying offer)

Not to mention the Jones buyout, no prospects other than Eklund in the system, and it was a few months after Kane's contract was terminated.

Since then, he's completely cleared our cap situation moving forward and built a deep prospect pool, that will continue to improve with the picks he's acquired. Yeah it's taken a lot of tearing down, but that just shows how bad the Wilson management team left this organization in terms of assets. From this point forward, it's all building the next team rather than getting rid of the old core. It's going to take a while, but we're now in position to draft very high and have the ability to sign key free agents as we see fit.

To add: We have the highest point scorer in college, the highest PPG scorer in the OHL, and we're tied for the best position to draft 1st overall this year. There is light at the end of the tunnel.
 

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Just like Karlsson was the perfect fit for an old and slow Penguins team I get the feeling Hertl is going to fit like a glove for an expensive and broken-down Vegas team that has a worse record over their last 12 games than we do.

Eat shit Grier. That is all.
Do you even watch Sharks games?
 
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Do you want objective analysis or do you just want someone to agree with your emotional fan oriented take?
Fair enough, most of all I want confidence the SJS org can develop this late/mid 1st rd picks. Thats the hard part, look at Hertl's draft year its all over the place and how much was it talent vs system that Hertl developed into a top line F. Las Vegas got some luck but also figured out a plan and took advantage of starting with no salary mistakes on their books. GMMG will have ( even with retained salary ) some cap space to find complements to the talent coming in. Will ownership/fans hold them accountable to build a system, will there be clear milestones where they need show progress. Right now it appears they like taking on players that look like high draft busts - as if they are smarter than other teams. Granted it might be what's available but I have not seen this method have much success in the NHL.

Does their AHL team deliver NHL ready talent like Roy Sommer used to? I am not seeing how we trust them with all of the young talent coming in.
 

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Fair enough, most of all I want confidence the SJS org can develop this late/mid 1st rd picks. Thats the hard part, look at Hertl's draft year its all over the place and how much was it talent vs system that Hertl developed into a top line F. Las Vegas got some luck but also figured out a plan and took advantage of starting with no salary mistakes on their books. GMMG will have ( even with retained salary ) some cap space to find complements to the talent coming in. Will ownership/fans hold them accountable to build a system, will there be clear milestones where they need show progress. Right now it appears they like taking on players that look like high draft busts - as if they are smarter than other teams. Granted it might be what's available but I have not seen this method have much success in the NHL.

Does their AHL team deliver NHL ready talent like Roy Sommer used to? I am not seeing how we trust them with all of the young talent coming in.
You think them giving Zadina a one year basically minimum contract is because they think they are smarter than any other team?
 

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There's still a question about our ability to develop talent, but you can't fault Grier for signing failed high picks. It's cheap, it's low risk, and it helps us tank while we get out of the cap situation, plus lottery tickets.
 

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You think them giving Zadina a one year basically minimum contract is because they think they are smarter than any other team?
Trying this once or maybe twice but to keep bringing in players that underachieved in other organizations is not a winning culture. Many of these players don't perform for a reason.
 

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Trying this once or maybe twice but to keep bringing in players that underachieved in other organizations is not a winning culture. Many of these players don't perform for a reason.
Zadina has outplayed his contract with this Shark's team. Picking up skilled players for basically free is exactly what they should be doing. If they signed him to a big contract because he was a 4th overall pick or traded assets for him you might have a point, but fortunately they didn't do that.
 

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