Confirmed with Link: Tomas Hertl 17% retained, 2025 3rd, 2027 3rd to Vegas for C David Edstrom, 2025 1st

[TheBeard]

What's the alternative, though--holding onto all these aging vets who, as we've seen, couldn't put together even a mediocre season together over the past few years? It's a hell of a bandage to rip off--it feels more like Steve Carell in The 40-Year-Old Virgin getting waxed right about now--but the real problem is that Wilson and Will refused to face reality and Grier was left with a total mess.

It reminds me of when I saw a big rig carrying tomatoes crashed near Sacramento and they had to close an entire side of I-80 because you couldn't get through those tomatoes. Grier is basically trying to cook a sauce right now with tomatoes that have been sitting on the road for a few hours and, you know, it's going to be pretty f***ing gross for a while.

I REALLY wish Hertl weren't going to Vegas, but there's a lot of logic to the move and looking right now at what outside observers are saying (the three writers judging it for The Athletic, for instance), Grier actually did well. His grades from those three writers? A, A, A-.

I do think the EK miracle season was a gift that afforded us the opportunity to not have to go scorched earth in terms of dealing with contracts, and with Logan potentially being done there really was no dire reason to trade Hertl unless either he asked to be out or Grier just wanted to wipe out every contract from the books.

 

[tahoesharksfan]

I am sad!

 

[Internazionale]

His ceiling is 3C. I consider that meh. Especially with a late first for 6 years of retention on a 1C.

Who says his ceiling is a 3C? Is that your take or? Top prospects in organizations are usually projected top end and from what I'm reading and seeing, that's exactly what we got.

 

[TheBeard]

Who says his ceiling is a 3C? Is that your take or? Top prospects in organizations are usually projected top end and from what I'm reading and seeing, that's exactly what we got.

Being a top prospect in Vegas doesn't mean all that much

 

[Jargon]

I do think the EK miracle season was a gift that afforded us the opportunity to not have to go scorched earth in terms of dealing with contracts, and with Logan potentially being done there really was no dire reason to trade Hertl unless either he asked to be out or Grier just wanted to wipe out every contract from the books.

https://www.twitter.com/Real_Max_Miller/status/1766225462345527354?s=20

I think the suggestion is clearly that Hertl wanted to move.

 

[Internazionale]

Love Hertl like most others on here. I am super happy for him that he will have a good shot at winning the cup. His contract sucked and would have been an anchor for years. Injury history is worrisome as well. Good trade to move on and start fresh under the new regime.

 

[TheWayToRefJose]

Who says his ceiling is a 3C? Is that your take or? Top prospects in organizations are usually projected top end and from what I'm reading and seeing, that's exactly what we got.

The athletic.

“It’s not flashy but Edstrom projects as a solid third-line centre who can potentially contribute on both special teams.”

 

[TheBeard]

https://www.twitter.com/Real_Max_Miller/status/1766225462345527354?s=20

I think the suggestion is clearly that Hertl wanted to move.

The way it's worded suggests Hertl never asked for a trade but made it obvious he didn't want to be around this mess. Either way, it's moot.

The athletic.

“It’s not flashy but Edstrom projects as a solid third-line centre who can potentially contribute on both special teams.”

I thought we were angry the team was only going after guys projected as third and fourth liners?

 

[TheWayToRefJose]

The way it's worded suggests Hertl never asked for a trade but made it obvious he didn't want to be around this mess. Either way, it's moot.


I thought we were angry the team was only going after guys projected as third and fourth liners?

Didn’t say I was happy about it. Just replying to the other poster about why I said his ceiling is a 3C.

Realistically, the 1st will probably be a similar level prospect unless Vegas implodes next year.

 

[Karl Prime]

If SJ gets Celebrini then all they will need Edstrom to be is a good 3C, as Will Smith will be the 2C.

 

[TheWayToRefJose]

The way it's worded suggests Hertl never asked for a trade but made it obvious he didn't want to be around this mess. Either way, it's moot.


I thought we were angry the team was only going after guys projected as third and fourth liners?

Hertl asked for it. Maybe not to Vegas, but a contender.

 

[TheBeard]

Didn’t say I was happy about it. Just replying to the other poster about why I said his ceiling is a 3C.

Realistically, the 1st will probably be a similar level prospect unless Vegas implodes next year.

Honestly, at this point I'd prefer they start using some of these later picks to move up. I don't want to load up on late first projects when we actually target someone.

 

[LilLeeroy]

The athletic.

“It’s not flashy but Edstrom projects as a solid third-line centre who can potentially contribute on both special teams.”

And there is a difference between ceiling and projection. Edstrom's J20 and SHL numbers in his D and D+1 project very well in comparison to other great Swedish prospects, and he could easily end up a top 6 player.

 

[Pavelski2112]

Hertl asked for it. Maybe not to Vegas, but a contender.

It's not about Hertl being traded, it's about him being trading to Vegas

I don't know how many times people have to say it

 

[Jargon]

It's not about Hertl being traded, it's about him being trading to Vegas

I don't know how many times people have to say it

He had control over where he wanted to go and frankly, who cares? Vegas won the cup already, they’re so much better than us, it’s a one-sided rivalry. I want our team to be good again, I don’t care if that means trading with Vegas..

 

[TheWayToRefJose]

Honestly, at this point I'd prefer they start using some of these later picks to move up. I don't want to load up on late first projects when we actually target someone.

If we could package Vegas’ first and our second to move up to grab one more of the D men available this year, that would be cool.

If we can leave the draft with Celebrini/Demidov, and snag two of Buium, Parekh, Yakemchuk, Levshunov, Jiricek, or Dickerson, I’d be stoked.

 

[TheBeard]

If we could package Vegas’ first and our second to move up to grab one more of the D men available this year, that would be cool.

If we can leave the draft with Celebrini/Demidov, and snag two of Buium, Parekh, Yakemchuk, Levshunov, Jiricek, or Dickerson, I’d be stoked.

It would certainly ease things. Hell, if they can use the Pitts pick and grab three decent prospects in the top 15 it would speed things up.

 

[Jargon]

If we could package Vegas’ first and our second to move up to grab one more of the D men available this year, that would be cool.

If we can leave the draft with Celebrini/Demidov, and snag two of Buium, Parekh, Yakemchuk, Levshunov, Jiricek, or Dickerson, I’d be stoked.

NJ 2nd/Vegas 1st for a Top 15 pick would be really swell.

 

[TheWayToRefJose]

And there is a difference between ceiling and projection. Edstrom's J20 and SHL numbers in his D and D+1 project very well in comparison to other great Swedish prospects, and he could easily end up a top 6 player.

Which great Swedish prospects? I’ll wait.

It's not about Hertl being traded, it's about him being trading to Vegas

I don't know how many times people have to say it

What are you on about?

I was replying to the beard talking about if Hertl asked for a trade or not. Thats it. No more, no less.

 

[Internazionale]

Being a top prospect in Vegas doesn't mean all that much
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The athletic.

“It’s not flashy but Edstrom projects as a solid third-line centre who can potentially contribute on both special teams.”

The athletic.

“It’s not flashy but Edstrom projects as a solid third-line centre who can potentially contribute on both special teams.”

Year old article and Joe Pavelski was also supposed to be a nobody.

 

[TheWayToRefJose]

A year old article? It’s literally from a month ago lol. Feb 8th, 2024.

And I guess with that mindset, every prospect is a blue chip, top 6 guy.

 

[Hodge]

It's not about Hertl being traded, it's about him being trading to Vegas

I don't know how many times people have to say it

So you would rather he end up on some fraud ass team like the Rangers or Bruins?

If you actually care about Hertl you should be happy he's playing for a legit Cup favorite. It's clearly what he wanted.

 

[Tw1ster]

It's not about Hertl being traded, it's about him being trading to Vegas

I don't know how many times people have to say it

Maybe Vegas was the one he would waive for?

 

[Internazionale]

A year old article? It’s literally from a month ago lol. Feb 8th, 2024.

And I guess with that mindset, every prospect is a blue chip, top 6 guy.

The original article was written in 2023. Why not wait and see what we have in him before calling him a meh prospect.

 

[Hangemhigh]

This is a bad trade, because it was with Vegas. If it was into the east somewhere, OK. But now it's going to be 6 years of paying Hertl to play against the Sharks.

I understand it was maybe market rate, but you have to charge a premium within your division.

It seems Hertl ask to be traded. So the GMMG obliged him. But they could have kept him if they wanted. If a player with a NMC asks to be traded, the GM should look outside the preferred teams list. If the players is choosing to go, the GM should take best case for the team deal. I don't think this is best for the team. Probably it was a favor to Hertl.

At least the Sharks can move on with a pretty clean slate.