Proposal: Toffoli for Kunin + L'Heureux + 2nd

[samsagat]

Explanation of trade rationale:

Nashville are surprisingly high in the standings .

They have good defense, good goaltending and a good center line, the only thing they lack is depth at wings, particularly in the top-6.

They're 9.9 mil under the salary cap.


Mtl only strenght is at wing. They're in a position where they have to rebuild, they must acquire future assets for what can be unloaded.


Toffoli for Kunin + L'Heureux + 2nd 2022


Toffoli can play both wings, his contract is affordable and not too long. He's a proven scorer, won a SC and not too old at 29 yo.


Kunin is 23 and had back to back 0,5 pt/game seasons. There's still hope of untapped potential with him.

L'Heureux was a late 1st rd pick at last draft and the 2nd will be middle round.

Thoughts?

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[jonlin]

So you want:

- Kunin 23yr old 1st rnd pick C/RW 2.3M/RFA 2022
- L`Heureux 1st rnd pick 2021
- 2nd 2022

for

- Toffoli 29yr old 4.25M/UFA 2024

Dont you think thats a bit much for Toffoli? More like Kunin + 3rd would be his value, but you want 2x 1st rounders + 2nd?

 

[inthewings]

That’s far too much for Toffoli

 

[samsagat]

So you want:

- Kunin 23yr old 1st rnd pick C/RW 2.3M/RFA 2022
- L`Heureux 1st rnd pick 2021
- 2nd 2022

for

- Toffoli 29yr old 4.25M/UFA 2024

Dont you think thats a bit much for Toffoli? More like Kunin + 3rd would be his value, but you want 2x 1st rounders + 2nd?

Sorry but Kunin has not much value, he was drafted in 2016 and still haven't pan out. He might be a former 1st rd pick but so are McCarron and Tinordi...
He was traded for Bonino (an UFA) + 2nd + 3rd a year ago. He haven't gained value since, on the contrary.

L'Heureux was a 27th pick.

Teams get that kind of returns for rental players at the deadline. Toffoli is on a good contract and a steady scorer in the NHL.

He certainly has that kind of value. Easily.

 

[cybresabre]

Sorry but Kunin has not much value, he was drafted in 2016 and still haven't pan out. He might be a former 1st rd pick but so are McCarron and Tinordi...
He was traded for Bonino (an UFA) + 2nd + 3rd a year ago. He haven't gained value since, on the contrary.

Sounds like he has more value to Nashville, then

 

[jonlin]

Sorry but Kunin has not much value, he was drafted in 2016 and still haven't pan out. He might be a former 1st rd pick but so are McCarron and Tinordi...
He was traded for Bonino (an UFA) + 2nd + 3rd a year ago. He haven't gained value since, on the contrary.

L'Heureux was a 27th pick.

Teams get that kind of returns for rental players at the deadline. Toffoli is on a good contract and a steady scorer in the NHL.

He certainly has that kind of value. Easily.

Are you serious?

Bonino + 2nd + 3rd was essentially a 1st. No way Toffoli has a value at 2x 1st + 2nd. NEVER. Please keep your players when they are worth that much. Why do you trade a player with that value if his so good?

 

[Viqsi]

Sorry but Kunin has not much value

You don't get to play that game when you're asking about another team's player. "Yeah, I want this guy from you, but he actually sucks so I want him at a discount."

In any case, the Preds really shouldn't be giving up significant prospects right now. Yeah, the team's doing pretty well at the moment, but the prospect pool was in really dire straits not too long ago and it'd be best if that situation not be repeated.

 

[Kaen]

Sorry but Kunin has not much value, he was drafted in 2016 and still haven't pan out. He might be a former 1st rd pick but so are McCarron and Tinordi...
He was traded for Bonino (an UFA) + 2nd + 3rd a year ago. He haven't gained value since, on the contrary.

L'Heureux was a 27th pick.

Teams get that kind of returns for rental players at the deadline. Toffoli is on a good contract and a steady scorer in the NHL.

He certainly has that kind of value. Easily.

Kunin is an NHL regular at this point, I'm not sure that is not panning out or comparable to McCarron and Tinordi.

You're not wrong on your assessment that Toffoli is on a decent contract and a steady scorer, but he is still just a 2nd line winger. 2nd line winger's don't get young roster player + recent 1st + 2nd.

 

[jonlin]

You don't get to play that game when you're asking about another team's player. "Yeah, I want this guy from you, but he actually sucks so I want him at a discount."

...and if Toffoli is "easily" worth 2x 1st:s + 2nd, wouldnt Montreal be ok keeping him at 4.5M if he is that good? Why trade a superb 1st liner for scraps?

 

[ViktorBaeArvidsson]

No thanks Nashville should be in “Do nothing” mode now, we’re a average roster who at best is a 1st round exit team adding a winger won’t help us get any further.

 

[MXD]

Toffoli is probably worth a 1st and a 2nd, not two firsts and a second.

 

[Big Empty]

I could see Toffoli going for L'Heureux and a 1st if he gets put on the block.

Toffoli is a top 6 RHS goal scoring winger on a great contract. Those don't grow on trees.

He's not a guy I would be looking to move.

 

[MXD]

I could see Toffoli going for L'Heureux and a 1st if he gets put on the block.

Toffoli is a top 6 RHS goal scoring winger on a great contract. Those don't grow on trees.

He's not a guy I would be looking to move.

Errhmmm... If Nashville offers L'Heureux and a first for Toffoli (which will probably end up being a mid first rounder), you say yes, hang up, and drive Toffoli to the airport ASAP in case Poile changes his mind. You can't hold on such assets when rebuilding, and you're basically getting two firsts for him, along with the possibility to retain even more on future deals.

 

[samsagat]

...and if Toffoli is "easily" worth 2x 1st:s + 2nd, wouldnt Montreal be ok keeping him at 4.5M if he is that good? Why trade a superb 1st liner for scraps?

Yeah sure, he's probably our best winger.

But look at where we are in the standings, look at our core of Price (34 and washed out), Petry (34 in less than a month), Weber on the LTIR...

This team HAS to rebuild, we wouldn't be trading Toffoli because he's bad but because it's the right thing to do for the future of this team.

Nashville is solid. They have a good core to build around. Good D and good goaltending, good center line are the basics of the game. All they need is scoring wingers.

If you guys think you can get a better player (with as much a friendly contract) for a guy like Kunin, and L'Heureux who haven't exactly tear down the Q, go ahead. But I think you're dreaming...

 

[Lays]

I could see Toffoli going for L'Heureux and a 1st if he gets put on the block.

Toffoli is a top 6 RHS goal scoring winger on a great contract. Those don't grow on trees.

He's not a guy I would be looking to move.

Toffoli isn’t returning 2 1st round picks. He’ll be dealt for 2 2nds or equal value

 

[Habs10025]

Explanation of trade rationale:

Nashville are surprisingly high in the standings .

They have good defense, good goaltending and a good center line, the only thing they lack is depth at wings, particularly in the top-6.

They're 9.9 mil under the salary cap.


Mtl only strenght is at wing. They're in a position where they have to rebuild, they must acquire future assets for what can be unloaded.


Toffoli for Kunin + L'Heureux + 2nd 2022


Toffoli can play both wings, his contract is affordable and not too long. He's a proven scorer, won a SC and not too old at 29 yo.


Kunin is 23 and had back to back 0,5 pt/game seasons. There's still hope of untapped potential with him.

L'Heureux was a late 1st rd pick at last draft and the 2nd will be middle round.

Thoughts?

 

[Habs10025]

Toffoli isn't available.

 

[jfhabs]

So you want:

- Kunin 23yr old 1st rnd pick C/RW 2.3M/RFA 2022
- L`Heureux 1st rnd pick 2021
- 2nd 2022

for

- Toffoli 29yr old 4.25M/UFA 2024

Dont you think thats a bit much for Toffoli? More like Kunin + 3rd would be his value, but you want 2x 1st rounders + 2nd?

Kunin isn't worth a 1st anymore... he'll be 24 in 2 weeks and he's a 3rd liner now.

 

[Big Empty]

Toffoli isn’t returning 2 1st round picks. He’ll be dealt for 2 2nds or equal value

Toffoli isn’t getting moved.

Also, Blake Coleman says hello.

 

[jfhabs]

Toffoli isn’t returning 2 1st round picks. He’ll be dealt for 2 2nds or equal value

1st + b level prospect or equivalent. Not worth trading him for 2 late seconds. Last time he was traded, he was UFA. Now he has a great contract for the next 2 seasons. Madden was also doing much better then the rank he was drafted at.

 

[Djp]

Toffoli does not get you that.

2 1st+2nd gets is one you give up for actual core players…Toffoli isn’t that

 

[Stewie Griffin]

Toffoli isn’t getting moved.

Also, Blake Coleman says hello.

Coleman went to a cap-strapped team making only 1.8M. Toffoli makes over double that. Not comparable.

 

[DiglettDangles]

If Toffoli is OK with a trade to Nashville (can't go trading recent UFA signings left and right for fun, especially good ones), I'd be ok with either L'Heureux + 2nd OR Evangelista + 1st (top 16 protected).
No particular interest in Kunin.
I don't think that works cap wise for Nashville once Forsberg comes back from IR unless you can somehow get rid of 600k, so you can dump an extra short term contract to Montreal or elsewhere.

 

[jfhabs]

Toffoli does not get you that.

2 1st+2nd gets is one you give up for actual core players…Toffoli isn’t that

You'd pay a 1st to get Kunin!?!

 

[jfhabs]

Coleman went to a cap-strapped team making only 1.8M. Toffoli makes over double that. Not comparable.

He also got 2 firsts 20th overall + Nolan Foote a recent first rounder.
To the right team, Toffoli as absolutely worth a 1st + . He's been very good lately, great playoffs last year all the way to the cup finals and finished 7th in goals scored on the season. His deal is a steal for the production he has.