Confirmed with Link: Toffoli (50% retained) off to Winnipeg for a 2024 3rd and 2025 2nd rounder per Seravalli

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McDuffz88

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But with the added benefit of 25 goals this year. Toffoli played his part - the overall team didn't

We can't discount that Toffoli gave us a solid year of production.
You know who also has 25 goals this year? Yegor Sharangovich...You act like we added 25 goals. We didn't. Sharangovich put up the same production therefore it's a wash. Even if Sharangovich only put up 15 goals we only added 10. There's no other way to spin this but we lost that trade. We traded Sharangovich for a 2025 2nd rounder. Sharangovich right now would be worth so much more. He also knows how to PK something we desperately need.
 

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It’s the last day. Do you mean wait till the last hour? I’d imagine Winnipeg wasn’t gonna wait and the deals would’ve gotten worse than better.
How much worse was it realistically gonna get than that, it's not like every team was gonna fill their winger need or we would have been forced to take a high school kid a la the Keith Kinkaid trade a few years back lol
 

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Sharangovich isn’t a needle mover in my opinion. People are too fixated on him, would’ve been happy with a 2nd for him last off-season.

Isn’t a top 6 forward on a contending team and isn’t very valuable in the bottom 6 IMO. Think he’s the kind of guy who’s gonna put up decent numbers playing top minutes on bad or middle of the pack teams.

It gets worse and worse. Fitz f**ked up
What should Fitz have done?
 
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Doing what he was doing here lol...his best season here he had 46 points in 76 games, he's almost matched that (one behind) in 62 games this year and that ain't all 'shooting luck'.

He also 'did what he did' here the first two seasons then got marginalized the third year and is at worst back to a slightly better version of his first two seasons. Not exactly good asset management last year was it? Small wonder both he and his wife thumbs uped the Lindy axing on Instagram.
He isn’t very good and wouldn’t have nearly as big of a role here. Not on the PP, not 5 on 5. Didn’t have a big role last year because he’s not very good.

Alex Holtz with those minutes could be an empty calorie scorer.
 

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if this deal rolls through at 4pm i’m less pissed. there’s absolutely no way you couldn’t have traded a 50% toffoli for a 2nd in the upcoming draft, which is significantly more valuable if trying to use that pick as a trade chip.

failure fitz
 

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You know who also has 25 goals this year? Yegor Sharangovich...You act like we added 25 goals. We didn't. Sharangovich put up the same production therefore it's a wash. Even if Sharangovich only put up 15 goals we only added 10. There's no other way to spin this but we lost that trade. We traded Sharangovich for a 2025 2nd rounder. Sharangovich right now would be worth so much more. He also knows how to PK something we desperately need.

Bigger point is we don't have 25 goals from either player now for next season. We have a 2025 2nd round pick.

A pick the Jets didn't see as valuable as Montreal's 2024 2nd despite people trying to argue we somehow got the most valuable pick they have.
 
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Doing what he was doing here lol...his best season here he had 46 points in 76 games, he's almost matched that (one behind) in 62 games this year and that ain't all 'shooting luck'.

He also 'did what he did' here the first two seasons then got marginalized the third year and is at worst back to a slightly better version of his first two seasons. Not exactly good asset management. Small wonder both he and his wife thumbs uped the Lindy axing on Instagram.

It is all shooting luck/opportunity, and he did what he did here on a shitty team and then got marginalized on a good team that had players who were better than him jumping over him on the depth chart. Of course he didn't like Ruff benching him, what player would?

Sharangovich is a limited player who is going to look excellent when he's scoring goals on 1 in every 5 shots and bad when he is scoring goals in 1 on every 10 shots.

Sharangovich had 2 power play assist for the Devils in his 3 seasons here, over 150 minutes played - he has 5 for Calgary. He was pretty awful on the power play IMO - 6 PP points in 150 minutes seems quite bad! - but if given opportunity, usually a player will at least put up some points there. He somehow has 3 shorthanded assists this year - he had 2 in his entire time with the Devils.
 

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I don't want to hear another person tell me how we should wait til the summer so we don't have to overpay for a goalie. Are you kidding?

Goaltending has been an EMERGENCY for months and is arguably the biggest reason why this team is in the position it is in... In the summer, Toronto, Carolina, LA, and more teams need goalies.

You absolutely overpay ASAP to address the biggest issue this team has.
 

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How much worse was it realistically gonna get than that, it's not like every team was gonna fill their winger need or we would have been forced to take a high school kid a la the Keith Kinkaid trade a few years back lol
It obviously could’ve gotten a lot worse if you wait too long. Clearly nobody was overly motivate to get him. There’s a reason all the top options have been traded already (for mostly underwhelming returns). You can’t control the market.

The 2nd and 3rd are nice trade pieces to have.
 
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McDuffz88

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Sharangovich isn’t a needle mover in my opinion. People are too fixated on him, would’ve been happy with a 2nd for him last off-season.

Isn’t a top 6 forward on a contending team and isn’t very valuable in the bottom 6 IMO. Think he’s the kind of guy who’s gonna put up decent numbers playing top minutes on bad or middle of the pack teams.


What should Fitz have done?
Sharangovich may not be a needle mover but there's no denying he's much more valuable than a 2nd that's not until 2025. Sharangovich would fetch a 1st plus prospect quite easily. Fitz has lost not only the Sharangovich trade but this one. How do you retain 50% and not walk away with Montreals 2nd? That's baffling to me.
 

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Again it's not a matter of taking Winnipeg's 2024 as opposed to 2025, it's a matter of MONTREAL's 2024 as opposed to Winnipeg's 2025. Winnipeg already traded their own 2024 pick. What are the odds Winnipeg finishes bottom seven or whatever next year?
Montreal’s high 2nd pick this year would theoretically be more desirable in a goalie trade made at the draft.
 

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You mean like a Tyler Toffoli? :laugh:

That argument kind of falls apart with that, does it not?
seems like there aren’t many GMs in the league who are quite as easy to take advantage of as Tom Fitzgerald, so the argument holds up.
 

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As center Sharangovich is doing fine actually. He is good player now. And productive. Its ok to admit it was mistake. It was a good trade for us in the moment, after time it is a bad trade. Happy for Yegor.View attachment 832335

End of the day instead of having 25 goals from Yegor or 25 goals from Toffoli, we have neither.

We just have a 2025 2nd round pick.
 

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Sharangovich may not be a needle mover but there's no denying he's much more valuable than a 2nd that's not until 2025. Sharangovich would fetch a 1st plus prospect quite easily. Fitz has lost not only the Sharangovich trade but this one. How do you retain 50% and not walk away with Montreals 2nd? That's baffling to me.
Because it’s your best offer and nobody’s offering more. Not sure what’s baffling about that and as I said previously that 2025 2nd might actually be a much more tradeable asset this summer.

I also wouldn’t assume Sharangovich would fetch that. Don’t think he’s as highly rated as you think even putting up some good numbers this year.
 

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He's been forced into a center role and doing an ok job at it. If he's an NHL caliber center he's gonna have a long career.

He's not an NHL caliber center. We tried him there. Playing with Huberdeau as a center is not really 'playing center', but it seems like he's quite a good fit there. That's a team finding two unique players to play together. The Devils tried him with a lot of guys and it didn't work.
 

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lol, come on. Sharangovich is doing exactly the same stuff in Calgary that he was doing here, he's just scoring goals on 1 out of every 5 shots. Unless Calgary has figured out how to make him into prime Alex Tanguay every year, he is exactly the same guy otherwise.
i think you’re discounting sharangovich a little bit. his shot is good enough to score in 1/5 shots or around that number. getting it on net is a different question but you make it sound like people can’t have sustainably effective shots and that anyone with an above average shooting percentage is just attributed to luck

he had a down year and we sold low on him but yeah, he could be a perennial 25 goal scorer in the right situation. he obviously wasn’t happy with how ruff used him too
 
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I don't want to hear another person tell me how we should wait til the summer so we don't have to overpay for a goalie. Are you kidding?

Goaltending has been an EMERGENCY for months and is arguably the biggest reason why this team is in the position it is in... In the summer, Toronto, Carolina, LA, and more teams need goalies.

You absolutely overpay ASAP to address the biggest issue this team has.
Overpay to do what? The season is over. All we need is to get some dumb ass veteran goalie to get lit up and send Schmid back to Utica.
 
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