Confirmed with Link: Toffoli (50% retained) off to Winnipeg for a 2024 3rd and 2025 2nd rounder per Seravalli

[Normal Devil]

I'm out on Fitz .. he's flailing like an amateur GM this year. We can surely do better. Hope the seat is hot.

 

[D3vilsH0ck3y]

As mentioned the other day and got crushed here Fitz needs to be on the hot seat not get promoted and handed more responsibility.

Disappointing day so far and doesn't seem like there is much more to do at this point for this season.

Major step back this year for this entire organization.

 

[Darkauron]

Ah the good old doomer posters coming out of nowhere that ive never seen before! Classic!

Like others have said, the teams buying that were left didnt have a first to give up anyway too.

 

[Captain3rdLine]

Zucker returned a 6th round pick.


He was the other guy being discussed for Winnipeg.

 

[Guttersniped]

Sharangovich may not be a needle mover but there's no denying he's much more valuable than a 2nd that's not until 2025. Sharangovich would fetch a 1st plus prospect quite easily. Fitz has lost not only the Sharangovich trade but this one. How do you retain 50% and not walk away with Montreals 2nd? That's baffling to me.

Presumably because the Jets want to keep that 2nd and we didn’t get any better offers.

I’m not surprised the Kings weren’t offering a 1st for a rental this year and they don’t have a 2024 2nd or 3rd.

Who knows what Sharangovich fetches, but he’s not Kevin Fiala all of a sudden.

 

[Lou Bloom]

I'm generally on that bandwagon, but a likely low second-rounder a year out for a guy who's a 30-goal scorer is underwhelming even by my comparatively (to the rest of the board) low expectations.

The 2025 draft is better anyway, it’s not a big deal to have it for 2025 instead of 2024. Not to mention Winnipeg isn’t exactly a playoff lock type team for 2025.

 

[Guadana]

End of the day instead of having 25 goals from Yegor or 25 goals from Toffoli, we have neither.

We just have a 2025 2nd round pick.

We could have Yegor for two years.
Anyway it isnt as drammatic as people act. Of course it would be better to play in playoff, Sharangovich wouldnt help with play off this year.

 

[billingtons ghost]

I wish it would've worked out for him in the sniper spot with Jack like I thought it would when we got him, instead of the Micheal Ryder esque staggering around the ice and giveaways.

Guys with unique talents that need special conditions to succeed work out great when you have those special conditions... And it's ugly when you don't.

We went into the season wishing we had a guy who could dig the puck out of the corners on the forecheck and feed the slot...

A healthy Meier might have been that but he didn't show up until this week. Unhealthy Palat and lukewarm Haula weren't the answers and the other guys are all perimeter so it's going to take a perfect pass. Sometimes the perfect pass got through, but lots of passes from Jack and others have been finding lots of defensive sticks and Toffoli coming back hard on the backcheck is not a pretty site.

Best of luck to ya in the Peg man.

 

[Mr Bojanglez]

You know who also has 25 goals this year? Yegor Sharangovich...You act like we added 25 goals. We didn't. Sharangovich put up the same production therefore it's a wash. Even if Sharangovich only put up 15 goals we only added 10. There's no other way to spin this but we lost that trade. We traded Sharangovich for a 2025 2nd rounder. Sharangovich right now would be worth so much more. He also knows how to PK something we desperately need.

For the record - i was a big-time Sharongovich fan last year. I told others that we were going to miss him.

Do you think Sharongovich would have put up 25 this year on our roster? Maybe... maybe not

i don't care about 'losing a trade' from last year. And frankly lets focus on that simple aspect - because i think got what we wanted out of it.

We traded a streaky young player (who i was admittedly a big fan of) for a known goal scorer. And the guy scored at a 30+ goal pace.

That's what we wanted to get out of Toffoli - and that is what he did. We gave up a wildcard in Sharongovich for a surefire thing in Toffoli. So considering what we wanted out of that trade last year - we got it. That was a success.

 

[Based Anime Fan]

Montreal's 2nd this year is absolutely better then Winnipeg's 2nd next year.

Tell me, time traveller, about the 2024/2025 NHL season. I wish to know exactly how it goes.

 

[Triumph]

i think you’re discounting sharangovich a little bit. his shot is good enough to score in 1/5 shots or around that number. getting it on net is a different question but you make it sound like people can’t have sustainably effective shots and that anyone with an above average shooting percentage is just attributed to luck

he had a down year and we sold low on him but yeah, he could be a perennial 25 goal scorer in the right situation. he obviously wasn’t happy with how ruff used him too

It's not good enough to do that. Sharangovich has a sustainably effective shot, we agree there. His career shooting percentage is 14%, that's about where I expect him to land. I don't think, given how infrequently he shoots and his lack of efficacy on the power play, that he can be a perennial 25 goal scorer.

 

[Better Call Sal]

Buyer's market, BUT FITZ GOT HOSED

 

[MB3]

Not necessarily if it's a deeper draft class.

make a “this trade was good value” post without adding a qualifier to it.

“if nobody else offered a 24 second!”

“if this was the best offer he had!”

“if 25 is a deeper class (it isn’t)”!!!

 

[Emperoreddy]

These picks aren't going to be enough to get a goalie. Our 2024 or 2025 1st is going to have to be back on the table, which the ideal point of this trade would to be able to avoid that.

 

[Captain3rdLine]

Buyer's market, BUT FITZ GOT HOSED

What should Fitz have done?

 

[Killing Joke]

Ah the good old doomer posters coming out of nowhere that ive never seen before! Classic!

Like others have said, the teams buying that were left didnt have a first to give up anyway too.

Complaining about “doomer” posters after this season is just laughable.

What should Fitz have done?

Not f***ed up the season in the first place, fired ruff earlier, paid for a goalie earlier.

 

[PKs Broken Stick]

We did retain and that's all we got. Yeesh

It's one thing to be mad about it, but it's another to say this was a freaking awful trade. That's a fact. Very bad return.

 

[Jersey Fresh]

Sharangovich may not be a needle mover but there's no denying he's much more valuable than a 2nd that's not until 2025. Sharangovich would fetch a 1st plus prospect quite easily. Fitz has lost not only the Sharangovich trade but this one. How do you retain 50% and not walk away with Montreals 2nd? That's baffling to me.

Completely insane.

 

[Captain3rdLine]

These picks aren't going to be enough to get a goalie. Our 2024 or 2025 1st is going to have to be back on the table, which the ideal point of this trade would to be able to avoid that.

alone obviously not. The point of the trade was the get as much trade value in return as possible.

 

[Poppy Whoa Sonnet]

He's not an NHL caliber center. We tried him there. Playing with Huberdeau as a center is not really 'playing center', but it seems like he's quite a good fit there. That's a team finding two unique players to play together. The Devils tried him with a lot of guys and it didn't work.

I suppose, I'm not an expert on the Flames but Huberdeau was a disaster in Calgary for what for 100 games? Now he's paired with Sharangovich and they have a solid line. I don't consider it totally inconceivable that he'd look good here with McLeod out of the picture and last year was an aberration.

Maybe it's just a happy accident and both guys are severely limited but at this point I expect Sharangovich to sign a long term extension this offseason and be in Calgary for a while, putting up "empty calorie" numbers at C. Maybe he had no role in NJ, but good for him/CGY to turn him into an effective NHL player at a premium position.

I get the trade, I am happy with the process that lead to it, but I think it very well will be revealed to be a mistake when the results are examined.

 

[MB3]

Tell me, time traveller, about the 2024/2025 NHL season. I wish to know exactly how it goes.

if you don’t understand that the 38th pick in the 2024 NHL draft is worth more — right now and this offseason when we’re looking to acquire a goalie — than a playoff team’s 2025 2nd round pick, you’re an idiot.

 

[MartyOwns]

really underwhelming return. let’s hope he can flip those picks as part of a deal for a goalie. c- for fitzy

 

[Call Me Al]

It's not good enough to do that. Sharangovich has a sustainably effective shot, we agree there. His career shooting percentage is 14%, that's about where I expect him to land. I don't think, given how infrequently he shoots and his lack of efficacy on the power play, that he can be a perennial 25 goal scorer.

but aside from his down year he’s scored at just about 25 goals/82 his whole career? and now he’s exceeding that so why not?

 

[Captain3rdLine]

Complaining about “doomer” posters after this season is just laughable.


Not f***ed up the season in the first place, fired ruff earlier, paid for a goalie earlier.

Lmaooo we’re talking about this trade.

 

[HughesCorporation]

I guess the league feels the same about Tyler as this board does. And some are suprised?