Todd Mclellan needs go

[Mafoofoo]

We need a coach like Laviolette who only gives ****s about scoring as many goals as possible before the buzzer sounds. At least then even if we lose it'd be in fun games with scores of 6-5 OT or something.

 

[Fistfullofbeer]

We need a coach like Laviolette who only gives ****s about scoring as many goals as possible before the buzzer sounds. At least then even if we lose it'd be in fun games with scores of 6-5 OT or something.

Sign me up for a coach like that. While the end result is disappointment with a loss atleast we get the entertainment value of seeing our team scoring goals (or even a goal).

 

[Barrie22]

Sign me up for a coach like that. While the end result is disappointment with a loss atleast we get the entertainment value of seeing our team scoring goals (or even a goal).

goals are over rated, we need to stop everything. blame the goalie for a 1-0 loss. that would be the best game ever.

 

[OrrNumber4]

Having Chris Stewart, David Perron, David Backes, T.J. Oshie, Alex Pietroangelo, Kevin Shattenkirk, Alex Steen etc didn't hurt either.

Compared to the Sharks, their players are simply producing. Stewart is their Clowe; hot/cold; he's having a great month of March...Steen is a Havlat-lite.

When everyone is producing to their historical means, I'd take the Sharks top-6/top-4 easily over the Blues's...I would agree that Backes would replace Clowe, and Pietrangelo would be on SJ's top pairing...possibly Shattenkirk, but I doubt it.

 

[Barrie22]

Compared to the Sharks, their players are simply producing. Stewart is their Clowe; hot/cold; he's having a great month of March...Steen is a Havlat-lite.

When everyone is producing to their historical means, I'd take the Sharks top-6/top-4 easily over the Blues's...I would agree that Backes would replace Clowe, and Pietrangelo would be on SJ's top pairing...possibly Shattenkirk, but I doubt it.

pietrangelo and shattenkirk would not be any where near san jose's 1st pairing. not with boyle and burns on the team.

 

[JodyShelleysNo1Fan]

So Guy Boucher is fired but yet McLellan is still here. They better be planning some major changes after the season if they're not gonna do anything right now.

 

[Juxtaposer]

pietrangelo and shattenkirk would not be any where near san jose's 1st pairing. not with boyle and burns on the team.

Uh, Pietrangelo is a top-5 defenseman in the league, and Shattenkirk is basically Boyle now.

 

[OrrNumber4]

Uh, Pietrangelo is a top-5 defenseman in the league, and Shattenkirk is basically Boyle now.

Eh....that is being very kind to Shattenkirk.

I've watched a lot of St. Louis games. He gets sheltered, for sure. I am sure if you look up the stats, he is starting the majority of his shifts in the offensive zone. He plays with great teammates, plays on the PP all the time, and doesn't face the other teams' best opponents like Boyle does.

 

[ramstoria]

So Guy Boucher is fired but yet McLellan is still here. They better be planning some major changes after the season if they're not gonna do anything right now.

It's starting to seem like Tmac won't be fired at all this season. Unless we suddenly go 10 games without points, then I have a feeling we stuck this year.

 

[SJeasy]

Eh....that is being very kind to Shattenkirk.

I've watched a lot of St. Louis games. He gets sheltered, for sure. I am sure if you look up the stats, he is starting the majority of his shifts in the offensive zone. He plays with great teammates, plays on the PP all the time, and doesn't face the other teams' best opponents like Boyle does.

You do realize that since the first part of the season that Boyle is underproducing his historical numbers in a big way. IMO, Boyle is the primary reason why the first unit of the PP is seriously under water. That is followed by TM and JT as reasons. If it is age and not injury catching up with Boyle, there is a good reason for the rumors. He is at the age where Rafalski started falling off the cliff.

 

[Juxtaposer]

Eh....that is being very kind to Shattenkirk.

I've watched a lot of St. Louis games. He gets sheltered, for sure. I am sure if you look up the stats, he is starting the majority of his shifts in the offensive zone. He plays with great teammates, plays on the PP all the time, and doesn't face the other teams' best opponents like Boyle does.

I hate Shattenekirk irrationally. I don't know why. Maybe because his name is Kevin and I've never met a Kevin I like (if any of you are named Kevin, speak now). Maybe it's because he has a receding hairline. Maybe because he's a total ******. Maybe because I'm a huge Erik Johnson fan. Whatever the case, I cannot stand Kevin Shattenkirk.

So when I compliment him, it's like dragging a hot poker up my throat. But he's that good.

 

[Gene Parmesan]

I hate Shattenekirk irrationally. I don't know why. Maybe because his name is Kevin and I've never met a Kevin I like (if any of you are named Kevin, speak now). Maybe it's because he has a receding hairline. Maybe because he's a total ******. Maybe because I'm a huge Erik Johnson fan. Whatever the case, I cannot stand Kevin Shattenkirk.

So when I compliment him, it's like dragging a hot poker up my throat. But he's that good.

Odd guy to irrationally hate.

 

[Juxtaposer]

Odd guy to irrationally hate.

 

[Coily]

For someone who tweets about the Toronto Blue Jays all summer, Couture wearing a Yanks hat is quite ironic.

 

[Gene Parmesan]

Street cred.

 

[JoeThorntonsRooster]

I love Couture so much as a player, but oh my god, what a ****** bag he comes off as

I hate Shattenekirk irrationally. I don't know why. Maybe because his name is Kevin and I've never met a Kevin I like (if any of you are named Kevin, speak now). Maybe it's because he has a receding hairline. Maybe because he's a total ******. Maybe because I'm a huge Erik Johnson fan. Whatever the case, I cannot stand Kevin Shattenkirk.

So when I compliment him, it's like dragging a hot poker up my throat. But he's that good.

Or it could be because his last name is Shattenkirk.

 

[Gene Parmesan]

I love Couture so much as a player, but oh my god, what a ****** bag he comes off as



Or it could be because his last name is Shattenkirk.

He was pretty young in that pic.

 

[Mafoofoo]

He was pretty young in that pic.

Well it doesn't help that even now if given the chance he'd probably quit hockey to become a 24/7 Drake groupie/fake gangstar rapper.

 

[ChompChomp]

It's starting to seem like Tmac won't be fired at all this season. Unless we suddenly go 10 games without points, then I have a feeling we stuck this year.

Well, yeah, didn't you hear? That one shootout win over Edmonton earned McLellan another two weeks.

 

[Fistfullofbeer]

Well, yeah, didn't you hear? That one shootout win over Edmonton earned McLellan another two weeks.

If DW does not fire TMac this season I sure hope it is because Plattner told him to hold off firing TMac this season.

But if TMac is not fired in the off-season or before the beginning of next season then I can't really find any logical explanation for that. Especially after the way TMac has come out recently talking about playing a grinding style and what not.

 

[SJeasy]

If DW does not fire TMac this season I sure hope it is because Plattner told him to hold off firing TMac this season.

But if TMac is not fired in the off-season or before the beginning of next season then I can't really find any logical explanation for that. Especially after the way TMac has come out recently talking about playing a grinding style and what not.

If you fire mid-season, you are dealing with replacements which muddies the waters for the off-season. Interims tend to think they have the inside track. For all that want to get rid of TMac, think of the frying pan and fire thing. Calgary went for Hartley and got worse. Hitch has a short shelf life and does not have a winning system in today's environment (way too defensive). I could go on.

Our best hope is for Plattner to get outside evaluation, go for DW and let the new guy hire a coach. The same thing applies to DW, there is the frying pan and the fire and they don't want either. Unloading DW for Burke would be a flaming joke and GMs really need the background to step in. Guys completely new to the GM's job tend to get hosed in trades. Whoever it is may not be doing a good job, but would a replacement really do better? The best hope for the Sharks is that Plattner has been using the owner get togethers to lay the groundwork for a complete evaluation of the org.

I really think that what happened this year was that Robinson was hauled in to overhaul the defense and that the combo of Robinson's and TM's systems just don't mesh. They don't even have a better GAA while their GFA is in a tailspin. It's eyewash when he calls it a defensive team, all orgs use that and it tends to mean that the coaches are lost. The object of the game is to outscore the opponent through both defense and offense. Concentrating on one to the detriment of the other is a joke.

 

[Fistfullofbeer]

If you fire mid-season, you are dealing with replacements which muddies the waters for the off-season. Interims tend to think they have the inside track. For all that want to get rid of TMac, think of the frying pan and fire thing. Calgary went for Hartley and got worse. Hitch has a short shelf life and does not have a winning system in today's environment (way too defensive). I could go on.

Our best hope is for Plattner to get outside evaluation, go for DW and let the new guy hire a coach. The same thing applies to DW, there is the frying pan and the fire and they don't want either. Unloading DW for Burke would be a flaming joke and GMs really need the background to step in. Guys completely new to the GM's job tend to get hosed in trades. Whoever it is may not be doing a good job, but would a replacement really do better? The best hope for the Sharks is that Plattner has been using the owner get togethers to lay the groundwork for a complete evaluation of the org.

I really think that what happened this year was that Robinson was hauled in to overhaul the defense and that the combo of Robinson's and TM's systems just don't mesh. They don't even have a better GAA while their GFA is in a tailspin. It's eyewash when he calls it a defensive team, all orgs use that and it tends to mean that the coaches are lost. The object of the game is to outscore the opponent through both defense and offense. Concentrating on one to the detriment of the other is a joke.

I agree with both of these points. But our situation in a way is simpler and I think we have a fairly 'easy' solution. Given that LR has already stated that he does not want to be head coach, make him the interim and ride the season out. Hire a new coach before the beginning of the next season.

This is ofcourse assuming that he really meant all he said about not wanting to be head coach and that he is also ok being the interim for the next 18 games.

 

[SJeasy]

I agree with both of these points. But our situation in a way is simpler and I think we have a fairly 'easy' solution. Given that LR has already stated that he does not want to be head coach, make him the interim and ride the season out. Hire a new coach before the beginning of the next season.

This is ofcourse assuming that he really meant all he said about not wanting to be head coach and that he is also ok being the interim for the next 18 games.

My problem with that is that I think that Robinson and Johnson are a big part of the problem. They lack an integrated vision of the team between defense and offense. It is pouring gas on the fire. IMO, the only benefit would be a higher draft pick in the off season.

 

[Pinkfloyd]

My problem with that is that I think that Robinson and Johnson are a big part of the problem. They lack an integrated vision of the team between defense and offense. It is pouring gas on the fire. IMO, the only benefit would be a higher draft pick in the off season.

Sounds good to me. This season is lost as long as McLellan and his staff are at the helm and DW is not and has not done much to improve the team. The fact that he's waited this long and still hasn't taken a course of action speaks volumes to where he believes the issues are or what he's allowed to do.

 

[Linkster]

If you fire mid-season, you are dealing with replacements which muddies the waters for the off-season. Interims tend to think they have the inside track. For all that want to get rid of TMac, think of the frying pan and fire thing. Calgary went for Hartley and got worse. Hitch has a short shelf life and does not have a winning system in today's environment (way too defensive). I could go on.

Our best hope is for Plattner to get outside evaluation, go for DW and let the new guy hire a coach. The same thing applies to DW, there is the frying pan and the fire and they don't want either. Unloading DW for Burke would be a flaming joke and GMs really need the background to step in. Guys completely new to the GM's job tend to get hosed in trades. Whoever it is may not be doing a good job, but would a replacement really do better? The best hope for the Sharks is that Plattner has been using the owner get togethers to lay the groundwork for a complete evaluation of the org.

I really think that what happened this year was that Robinson was hauled in to overhaul the defense and that the combo of Robinson's and TM's systems just don't mesh. They don't even have a better GAA while their GFA is in a tailspin. It's eyewash when he calls it a defensive team, all orgs use that and it tends to mean that the coaches are lost. The object of the game is to outscore the opponent through both defense and offense. Concentrating on one to the detriment of the other is a joke.

A lot of interesting points here, but I get the sense that DW is locked in a death-spiral with McLellan. I'm betting TMac is more likely to quit before DW would dare fire him because of some key factors already mentioned by other HF Sharks posters:

- DW started as GM after a mid-season coaching change and a 3000+ STH drop-off -- the whole org is terrified of a repeat

- The 49ers arrive in SJ soon and they'll peel off some STHs and some corporate $$$ especially if the Sharks are in a full-blown 3-5 year rebuild

- Thornton, Marleau, and Boyle are difficult/impossible to move and still think they can "speed skate" their way to victory

But here's the biggest reason both DW and McLellan are trapped in the same collapsing elevator:

Thornton and Marleau refused to buy into the TMac/LR modified "grind" system, they're immovable, and they would probably reject a new coaching system if a new coach implemented one in Sept/Oct because they're gone 6 months later anyway.

Not a very satisfactory state of affairs.