Todd Mclellan needs go

[Mafoofoo]

You have stepped up your trolling game, sir. You ought to be commended for that but it won't be by me since you just had to bring the great Patty Marleau into this...you jabroni. lol

Whoa you can't just run around calling yourself great now. The hubris on you Patrick. The hubris.

 

[Bizz]

didn't Guy Boucher just win the Jack Adams not too long ago? and why isnt he our coach already?

 

[JodyShelleysNo1Fan]

didn't Guy Boucher just win the Jack Adams not too long ago? and why isnt he our coach already?

No, he never won a Jack Adams and replacing TM with him would be a disaster. I'd rather roll with no coach.

 

[NWShark*]

The more I think about it, the more I want Boucher as our Coach.

Don't care what anyone thinks either.

Why? Sell me on his good points. I don't know enough about him to know. Someone else recommended Ron Wilson which frankly I would be fine with. Always liked him as a coach. Great PK and excellent offense.

 

[SnarkAttack]

Why? Sell me on his good points. I don't know enough about him to know. Someone else recommended Ron Wilson which frankly I would be fine with. Always liked him as a coach. Great PK and excellent offense.

Marleau would be thrilled

 

[hohosaregood]

Why? Sell me on his good points. I don't know enough about him to know. Someone else recommended Ron Wilson which frankly I would be fine with. Always liked him as a coach. Great PK and excellent offense.

That scar on his face is soooooo attractive...makes me swoon.

 

[hockeyball]

No, he never won a Jack Adams and replacing TM with him would be a disaster. I'd rather roll with no coach.

Yah, The last thing this team needs is Guy Boucher. I don't know how many times I have to say it and have it proved right for people to believe it. You cannot win a cup in the modern NHL playing the trap. Unless every other team is also playing the trap, or the trapping team VASTLY out-talents every other team, it's a losing strategy. There is too much parity and too much speed/talent in the modern NHL for the trap to be truly effective.

 

[Tkachuk4MVP]

I thought Boucher stopped playing the 1-3-1 last season when it was obvious it wasn't working. Tampa has a top 3 or 4 offense right now, that doesn't happen if you're playing the trap.

 

[Linkster]

Oh boy here we go now saying our top 2 guys now "don't care about winning". Mhmm ok. You guys are nuts.

Marleau scoring on a short-handed breakaway and Thornton threading-the-needle to Cheechoo or Heatley for a goal were amazing. They were the best in the bizniz and carried the Sharks' offense for years.

But Marleau and Thornton can't match those feats anymore, they aren't winning games, and there's no "cavalry" arriving from the minors to save the day. Just being a contrarian to the spirit in this thread: McLellan's line-combo juggling machine is obnoxious and frustrating to watch, but McLellan is not the source of the Sharks' woes.

Everyone knows this org's tune. Most rational observers saw a day like this coming sooner or later. It happens to most veteran players. "That's sports."

 

[PlaywithGutz*]

Yah, The last thing this team needs is Guy Boucher. I don't know how many times I have to say it and have it proved right for people to believe it. You cannot win a cup in the modern NHL playing the trap. Unless every other team is also playing the trap, or the trapping team VASTLY out-talents every other team, it's a losing strategy. There is too much parity and too much speed/talent in the modern NHL for the trap to be truly effective.

totally agree there..and that is why i dont think SJ makes ANY changes to the system this season.

DW brought LR in to help hold Toddr's hand and fix the PK. Basically, IMO, a knock against Toddr and demonstrates a lack of trust there.

I think that before the season Wooody Woodockr, LR, DW and the Todd sat down and built (and one could only think that LR had a major role in this) this new system that would limit shots by playing this passive, crappy D- system in an uptempo league... it is broken and hasnt been addressed.

At this point the Toddr CANT make any changes to the system b/c he needs to hear it first from DW and DW probably needs to consult with LR ..DW is really the culprit here..this is his mess

The Todd has thrown in the white towel by calling out players as passengers ...and it obvious they dont believe in the system, Toddr or each other anymore and it will get uglier if DW doesnt step in and, at the very least, make a public statement. Toddr's last P-G interview he is a mess..trying spin anything that he possibly can into a positive from a 2-0 loss. There is a good chance that SJ misses the PO's and if they get in, they will get bounced early.

I watched the first 10 mins of the last game and it was obvious that this team is hurting mentally and has confidence issues (SJ is constantly on their heels) and its due the inability of the coaching staff to adjust and refine a system that plays to their strengths..

 

[SJeasy]

I thought Boucher stopped playing the 1-3-1 last season when it was obvious it wasn't working. Tampa has a top 3 or 4 offense right now, that doesn't happen if you're playing the trap.

Kitchen was the 1-3-1 guy for Tampa and Tampa got rid of Kitchen a while back. Kitchen started the 1-3-1 stuff in St. Louis before he got the heave-ho there.

As far as buying into the new system, I think both Marleau and JT are. I don't think the system works for the rest of the team and it plays away from some of Couture's, Havlat's and Marleau's strengths, although Couture and Marleau are versatile enough to not suffer too much.

BTW, if I were searching for a GM, I would start by looking at lieutenants to the successful guys. Who helps Poile, Chiarelli, Holland, etc.?

 

[Tkachuk4MVP]

Kitchen was the 1-3-1 guy for Tampa and Tampa got rid of Kitchen a while back. Kitchen started the 1-3-1 stuff in St. Louis before he got the heave-ho there.

As far as buying into the new system, I think both Marleau and JT are. I don't think the system works for the rest of the team and it plays away from some of Couture's, Havlat's and Marleau's strengths, although Couture and Marleau are versatile enough to not suffer too much.

BTW, if I were searching for a GM, I would start by looking at lieutenants to the successful guys. Who helps Poile, Chiarelli, Holland, etc.?

Kitchen was an assistant with Tampa? Looking at his nhl.com page it says he went from St. Louis to Florida to Chicago. I'm pretty sure the 1-3-1 was all Boucher. He may not have created it but he was the one who implemented it.


And I completely agree with you on the next GM, Columbus should be the model for how we do it.

 

[Pinkfloyd]

Kitchen was the 1-3-1 guy for Tampa and Tampa got rid of Kitchen a while back. Kitchen started the 1-3-1 stuff in St. Louis before he got the heave-ho there.

As far as buying into the new system, I think both Marleau and JT are. I don't think the system works for the rest of the team and it plays away from some of Couture's, Havlat's and Marleau's strengths, although Couture and Marleau are versatile enough to not suffer too much.

BTW, if I were searching for a GM, I would start by looking at lieutenants to the successful guys. Who helps Poile, Chiarelli, Holland, etc.?

There's Don Sweeney in Boston, who was the assistant GM when they won the Cup. That was his first season and prior to that he was Director of Player Development and Hockey Operations.

Paul Fenton is the assistant GM in Nashville and has been since just before the 2006 draft. Prior to that, he was the Director of Player Personnel. He's been in Nashville for 15 seasons.

Jim Nill is the current assistant GM in Detroit and has been there for about 15 years, I believe.

I think if there's anyone of those three that makes the most sense, it's Jim Nill. There's been whispers that he's ready for a full-fledged GM position and he has a pretty good track record with player development.

 

[Barrie22]

So it's just everyone's imagination that the coaches and DW has told everyone to shoot more and it's just everyone's imagination that Jumbo has said that he's the passer and played as such, right? Let's stop pretending like Jumbo is willing to change. He's as stubborn as a donkey and it takes a long time for him to change. Yes, he can and will but it will not happen overnight...if at all since the shooting thing has dogged him his entire career.

Imo, moving him is more about allowing others to step up as a leader (Logan) and even taking the pressure off the organization than whether or not Thornton will actually change his game.

would you change your game if you shot the same every single season and popped up 37 goals, 36 goal seasons. and then 11 straight seasons of 20+ goals?

 

[Barrie22]

There's Don Sweeney in Boston, who was the assistant GM when they won the Cup. That was his first season and prior to that he was Director of Player Development and Hockey Operations.

Paul Fenton is the assistant GM in Nashville and has been since just before the 2006 draft. Prior to that, he was the Director of Player Personnel. He's been in Nashville for 15 seasons.

Jim Nill is the current assistant GM in Detroit and has been there for about 15 years, I believe.

I think if there's anyone of those three that makes the most sense, it's Jim Nill. There's been whispers that he's ready for a full-fledged GM position and he has a pretty good track record with player development.

could also look at ex players that have moved into gm assistants (like yzerman was with detroit), i can't remember who it was with the rangers but i think he was pretty close to being ready.

 

[Pinkfloyd]

would you change your game if you shot the same every single season and popped up 37 goals, 36 goal seasons. and then 11 straight seasons of 20+ goals?

That's making an excuse for him. The fact is that he was asked like everyone else to shoot more and be shoot first and he has resisted. The reality is that his game was changing whether he knew it or not by him buying into the "I'm a passer" gimmick. He dropped out of the 20+ goals streak last season and that was in part why. And it's a selfish attitude to take because he is brushing off his shooting responsibilities to others when he does it.

 

[SJeasy]

Kitchen was an assistant with Tampa? Looking at his nhl.com page it says he went from St. Louis to Florida to Chicago. I'm pretty sure the 1-3-1 was all Boucher. He may not have created it but he was the one who implemented it.


And I completely agree with you on the next GM, Columbus should be the model for how we do it.

Kitchen was definitely in Tampa. I made the connection here on the boards at the time.

 

[Evincar]

would you change your game if you shot the same every single season and popped up 37 goals, 36 goal seasons. and then 11 straight seasons of 20+ goals?

He needs to shoot more to keep teams honest otherwise he's really predictable. When he has the puck and has time he needs to just take the puck to the net and thing will open up.

Its not really changing his game, its adding a new dimension. It matters, especially in the playoffs where teams prepare for you with more detail. Joe is very stubborn and just keeps on doing the same thing.

 

[sjshrky27]

Pollack says DW puts poor play on players not the coaches. Looks like TMac is safe for now.

 

[Crazy Joe Divola]

Dammit

 

[Led Zappa]

Pollack says DW puts poor play on players not the coaches. Looks like TMac is safe for now.

 

[Coily]

Pollack says DW puts poor play on players not the coaches. Looks like TMac is safe for now.

 

[Pinkfloyd]

Dammit

McLellan staying will help us drop in the standings. We're 8 points ahead of the worst team in the league and currently sit at the 13th pick. This season is lost one way or the other. No coach will be able to fix this overnight. It's not like the Kings that just needed a tweak on their breakout although that would help. Since we're a grind-it-out system, it's not going to get us where we want regardless and that's going to take an entire off-season/training camp/regular season to fix.

Just have to hope that we maximize our trades, remove the coaching staff at the end of the year, and hopefully remove the GM and a lot of the front office personnel. I can't bring myself to say I want the team to lose because I don't but I can see the benefit in them doing so at this point...it's that bad.

 

[pappaf2]

Pollack says DW puts poor play on players not the coaches. Looks like TMac is safe for now.

Did he give him a vote of confidence? If so it means he's got about a week left, give or take.

 

[Coily]

Did he give him a vote of confidence? If so it means he's got about a week left, give or take.

So trade deadline we trade our coach.