Proposal: Tkachuck for W. Nylander

[WTFMAN99]

Tkachuk will be the better player long term. Flames would be very unwise to trade him now. He's played very well as a teenager.

Possibly, we won't know for a while.

 

[93LEAFS]

Having seen a lot of both, I wouldn't do it as a Leaf fan. Nylander is a guy who can drive his line and create multiple scoring chances a game with his skill set. Tkachuk, while being a very good player is more of a complementary scoring winger with pest like attributes. As amazing as a Tkachuk-Matthews-Marner line would be, I would much rather have offensive creativity spread throughout the lineup. I think long term the Leafs are transitioning into a clear top 9 team with defined roles. Here is how I see it playing out long-term

xxx-Matthews-Marner: This is the top line, that receives balanced usage and zone starts. Think about how either Kopitar or Toews is line is deployed.

xxx-Nylander-xxx: This will be used similar to how Patrick Kane's line is deployed. Heavy offensive zone-stars, and used during home games to really take advantage of weak offensive match-ups.

xxx-Kadri-xxx: Eats defensive zone starts, gets match-ups vs top lines fairly often. Responsible defensively, but also capable offensively.

Leafs have a bunch of young wingers and could even keep someone like JVR (who would be great on either the 1st or 2nd unit). While I really like Tkachuk's game, I think his best usage turns us more into a top 6 team than a strong top 9 team. I really like Nylander's versatility (can play both wings and center) in line-up construction.

I can also see why Calgary turns this down. Considering how they use the Monahan/Gaudreau line, they eventually need a strong 2nd line that is capable in all situations, that will most likely be led by Sam Bennett. Nylander is a dynamic offensive talent, but might not be a good fit on the top line or line being deployed like I expect Bennett's and Backlund's long-term.

 

[Skobel24]

If I were a Leafs fan, I'd be fine trusting Kadri as the #2 center. I can understand why they'd want to stick with Nylander though.

 

[ACC1224]

He's been great at RW, and outside of that stretch in his draft year playing C in the playoffs before getting injured, he hasn't been as effective at centre as he has at wing since.

Since it was basically all last year at RW minus like a 4-5 game stretch post WJC, and all this year at RW, I think he is what he is at this point.



Unless there was some elite wingers involved, I am not confident in Kadri being a high end enough 2C on a cup winning team, but again, just my opinion.

I have no doubt that given enough time Marner would excel at any position.

And our number 1 RW is either Brown or Kapanen? Kind of scary. Marner will probably remain a RW.

I hear you but the roster wouldn't be frozen after this move.

 

[BlueBaron]

Tkachuk will be the better player long term. Flames would be very unwise to trade him now. He's played very well as a teenager.

C'mon now, everyone has avoided this kind of hyperbole so far. You know Nylander is the higher rated prospect so you are basically preaching a minority opinion like it is a fact. Most here are willing to accept the value is comparable and avoid the pissing match.

That said, I can see why the flames would not want to lose Tkachuk, they are set at C.

 

[BlueBaron]

I have no doubt that given enough time Marner would excel at any position.



I hear you but the roster wouldn't be frozen after this move.

Right, so we create a hole at RW to fill a less needed spot at LW so that we can then later try to come up with a RW. HF magic.

 

[ACC1224]

Right, so we create a hole at RW to fill a less needed spot at LW so that we can then later try to come up with a RW. HF magic.

Leafs have a few holes to fill including LW. This fills a need while at the same time adding the better player, IMO.

 

[Tkachuk Norris]

Nope

 

[Johnnybegood13]

No thanks, Tkachuk is a great looking NHL talent at 18 but he's also the type of player you go to war with. Captain material.

This combination doesn't grow on trees.

 

[Canada4Gold]

No but how about we both thank Vancouver for picking someone else so both of us could be so fortunate to have these 2 players

 

[madmike77]

Nylander is almost certainly more skilled, but Tkachuck is exactly the kind of winger the Flames need - a skilled guy with decent size who plays with an edge.

They don't really have anyone else with that skillset - Ferland to an extent I guess, but he's not the scorer Tkachuck is.

 

[BlueBaron]

Leafs have a few holes to fill including LW. This fills a need while at the same time adding the better player, IMO.

Presently we have a number 1 LW, his name is JVR. You basically just want to trade in circles.

 

[StroShow]

Calgary declines this one. Tkachuk>Nylander.

 

[Tkachuk Norris]

No but how about we both thank Vancouver for picking someone else so both of us could be so fortunate to have these 2 players

Praise Benning

 

[Haatley]

Rather keep Tkachuk. Nylander is a PP specialist and Tkachuk is the type of winger we needed to add to our rebuild in Calgary.

 

[OvermanKingGainer]

Flames pass. We`ve got tricky skill forwards between Bennett, Gaudreau, Jankowski, Mangiapane, Backlund, Pribyl, Shinkaruk, Phillips, and Dube. So Nylander, while a good addition, would be redundant considering the cost. Tkachuk is the best true power forward we`ve had since Iginla. He, Ferland, and Hathaway combine to give our team an identity we don`t have with Nylander. You need your dangles and button hooks but they need to be supplemented with guys who can deflect point shots, make plays behind the net, and support the breakout defensively. Tkachuk does that for us and once his skating catches up to his hands and brain, he could well be a premier NHL winger. Not to be too zealous but a 40/40 season in his prime could be possible if his skating takes some figurative strides.

 

[ACC1224]

Presently we have a number 1 LW, his name is JVR. You basically just want to trade in circles.

I don't see JVR here long term, basically you just like to remain close minded.

 

[kihei]

Tkachuk will be the better player long term. Flames would be very unwise to trade him now. He's played very well as a teenager.

That old homer crystal ball. We shall see.

 

[mydnyte]

living in London i saw plenty of Tkachuk, and before the Leafs won the Draft, he was the ONE player in the top 5 that I wanted no part of.
he is a good power forward, and very good in close to the net, but, he is not elite in any way.

 

[Menzinger]

No way I'd do this.

I feel Nylander is the better player now and loner term - he's also likely to be a centre too.

At best a lateral move for the Leafs at worst a downgrade

 

[Space Coyote]

Calgary declines this one. Tkachuk>Nylander.

Based on what exactly?

 

[Riellyfan04]

Tkachuk will be the better player long term. Flames would be very unwise to trade him now. He's played very well as a teenager.

How do u know this??

 

[East Coast Icestyle]

I think that in the end they will both be similarly elite players, and going off of that, the flames keep tkachuk. Nylander will score some more but tkachuk gives us that tough competitive edge and some real fire. Something not many of our guys have apparebtly

 

[YourAverageFan*]

Very interesting proposal but as much as I like Nylander and think he will put up better offensive numbers throughout their careers, I have to stick with Tkachuk. He's already my favorite Flames player because of the way he plays. Always gets under the skin of opposing teams and love the fact he plays with an edge. Plus he has a sneaky and accurate laser of a shot and we need someone like him who loves to drive the net and isn't afraid to go to the dirty areas.

No but how about we both thank Vancouver for picking someone else so both of us could be so fortunate to have these 2 players

Yes, yes we can. Thank you, Benning.

 

[Figgy44]

Based on what exactly?

Fit.

No offense meant for Nylander and I think value is reasonable, but we need more sandpaper in our top 6, not less. I believe TO fans would agree which is why the trade was suggested in the first place.