Proposal: Tkachuck for W. Nylander

[robbie111]

Actually I've followed him closely since Calgary reached for him at the draft and I've had many conversations with one of his high school coaches about him since so I'm more than aware of who he is and his game. I realize he was a long term prospect and that he's playing very well, but I hate to break it to you......guys that are 22 and still in the minors rarely pan out as top 6 forwards. Forwards are hitting their offensive peaks these days at the age he is now. Does this mean it's not possible? Of course not, but the odds are heavily stacked against him. Just because someone doesn't agree with your biased opinion doesn't mean they're unaware.

If you followed Jankowski then you know he is leading all rookies in the AHL with 1.20 points per game. But yeah obviously the guy is a bust.

 

[Muggs]

Nylander all day. Nope.

 

[Randy Randerson]

If you followed Jankowski then you know he is leading all rookies in the AHL with 1.20 points per game. But yeah obviously the guy is a bust.

I won't pretend to know a lot about Jankowski, but he's not leading AHL rookies in ppg, Kevin Labanc is

Also worth noting that a bunch of the guys around him in ppg as rookies are 1-2 years younger, and what the poster you replied to is saying is that guys who take until their draft+4 to reach the AHL have the odds stacked against them being NHL impact players statistically, not that it means he's a bust but he'll have to be in the minority of guys who are in that position to be an impactful NHL'er. I thought he was also pretty courteous about how he phrased it

http://theahl.com/player-stats?play...eague_code=ahl&position=skaters&currentPage=1

 

[Woodtkachuk]

Nylander is great but Tkachuk is the best skilled POS prospect we've had in awhile so we will pass.

 

[East Coast Icestyle]

I won't pretend to know a lot about Jankowski, but he's not leading AHL rookies in ppg, Kevin Labanc is

Also worth noting that a bunch of the guys around him in ppg as rookies are 1-2 years younger, and what the poster you replied to is saying is that guys who take until their draft+4 to reach the AHL have the odds stacked against them being NHL impact players statistically, not that it means he's a bust but he'll have to be in the minority of guys who are in that position to be an impactful NHL'er. I thought he was also pretty courteous about how he phrased it

http://theahl.com/player-stats?play...eague_code=ahl&position=skaters&currentPage=1

'take until' except he chose to okay college. Flames didn't hold him back

 

[Lunatik]

I won't pretend to know a lot about Jankowski, but he's not leading AHL rookies in ppg, Kevin Labanc is

Also worth noting that a bunch of the guys around him in ppg as rookies are 1-2 years younger, and what the poster you replied to is saying is that guys who take until their draft+4 to reach the AHL have the odds stacked against them being NHL impact players statistically, not that it means he's a bust but he'll have to be in the minority of guys who are in that position to be an impactful NHL'er. I thought he was also pretty courteous about how he phrased it

http://theahl.com/player-stats?play...eague_code=ahl&position=skaters&currentPage=1

I think we are seeing older prospects more and more of an impact in recent years, starting with your own Bozak who was 23 before he made his AHL debut. People always talk about how prospects after a certain amount of time have a lesser chance of making it, but that is also in normal cases. We've all known this was a different situation from the moment Jankowski was drafted, he was initially projected to go to the USHL for a year, then to college for 4 before and then spend a year in the AHL. Now it's looking like he could make his NHL debut 2 seasons earlier than projected, I'm not suggesting he is a lock to be an impact player or anything but the fact of the matter is most projects like this that fizzle out, do so before this and don't continue a strong upwards progression.

 

[Willy Stylez]

Value isnt terrible but Nylander is a keeper.

 

[Lunatik]

Value isnt terrible but Nylander is a keeper.

I'm not going to lie, I'd be ecstatic with either on my team. Papa Nylander was one of my favorite players back in the day, so I'd be thrilled to cheer on his son too but I think Tkachuk just brings a skillset unique among Flames prospects and I think that will benefit us more in the long run than just raw skill.

 

[StuckOutHere]

I still think Nylander has the higher upside.

 

[Trapper]

I'm not going to lie, I'd be ecstatic with either on my team. Papa Nylander was one of my favorite players back in the day, so I'd be thrilled to cheer on his son too but I think Tkachuk just brings a skillset unique among Flames prospects and I think that will benefit us more in the long run than just raw skill.

You can't compare the 2 players, different styles, both great additions. I'd love to have Tkachuk on the Leafs as well.

Wish we could have both but as it stands I'm sure both teams are quite happy to keep building with what they have.

 

[Flamesjustwin]

Why would the Leafs eve entertain this?

Why would the Flames even entertain this? When Tkachuk is not scoring he still brings a physical presence and gets the opposition off his game. When Nylander is not scoring he is useless. Huge pass.

 

[AINEC*]

How about you just give us Tkachuk so he can play alongside Nylander? I'm pretty sure we all win in that situation.

 

[leafsfan1234]

I think Willy will eventually player center for us and that makes this trade a non-starter. We have so many great winger prospect that still aren't even in the NHL, another great center to go along with Matthews and Kadri is much more useful than another winger, even one that provides Tkachuk's grit.

 

[madmike77]

Jankowski is your dream 2nd line C?!? Yikes.

One of only two 2012 1st rounders to have yet to play an nhl game. He's in his draft+6 year right now so he's approaching the spot where he's no longer a prospect, but a career ahler. He still looks like he may make the show, but I wouldn't get your hopes up on him being a top 6 guy at this stage.

Jankowski isn't in the same league as Nylander, but I'd hardly call him a bust. I'd be surprised if he's not in the NHL next year. I think he'll be more of a 3rd line guy with an all-around solid game at both ends of the ice. But with Monahan, Backlund and Bennett already the top 3 Cs, it's possible Bennett goes to the wing and Jankowski gets the 2C or 3C job.

 

[Nylanders Flow]

No reason for either team to give up on their player at the minute, both look fantastic.

Plus can you even imagine Kadri & Tkachuk playing together? They'd cause so much salt the ice would be ****ed.

 

[Lunatik]

Jankowski isn't in the same league as Nylander, but I'd hardly call him a bust. I'd be surprised if he's not in the NHL next year. I think he'll be more of a 3rd line guy with an all-around solid game at both ends of the ice. But with Monahan, Backlund and Bennett already the top 3 Cs, it's possible Bennett goes to the wing and Jankowski gets the 2C or 3C job.

Backlund is also a UFA after next season, so much is up in the air.

 

[Edgelord]

Why would the Flames even entertain this? When Tkachuk is not scoring he still brings a physical presence and gets the opposition off his game. When Nylander is not scoring he is useless. Huge pass.

Thats not true. Willy is decent positionally in the D zone and is pretty good at stealing pucks and board battles.

Bobby Mack said on 1 of his Bob casts that teams are really keeping an eye on the 2nd tier of Leaf youngsters. The Brown's, Kap, Dermott, Neilsson's etc because some feel that they may be able to get a a very good player. Even alluding that some may feel that 1 or more of Brown, Neilsson, Kap or Dermott have a chance to out shine 1 of the big 3

 

[madmike77]

Backlund is also a UFA after next season, so much is up in the air.

I'm hoping he'll be back. The Flames should have the room to return him if they want - plenty of bad contracts are off the books this year and based on Bennett's lack of production this year, he's not in line for a Monahan/Gaudreau-type contract.

I guess the big question will be whether the Flames feel there's a need to bring him back.

 

[Lunatik]

I'm hoping he'll be back. The Flames should have the room to return him if they want - plenty of bad contracts are off the books this year and based on Bennett's lack of production this year, he's not in line for a Monahan/Gaudreau-type contract.

I guess the big question will be whether the Flames feel there's a need to bring him back.

I'd prefer he come back and Bennett move to the wing (but I have been banging that drum since prior to drafting Bennett) because I feel Sam is better suited for the wing.

I think the bigger question will be the type of contract he is seeking. If he wants more than 3 years, I see the Flames moving him.

 

[Willy Stylez]

No reason for either team to give up on their player at the minute, both look fantastic.

Plus can you even imagine Kadri & Tkachuk playing together? They'd cause so much salt the ice would be ****ed.

Haha didnt think about, would be fun watching.

But yeah this is a no go for both teams.

 

[Randy Randerson]

'take until' except he chose to okay college. Flames didn't hold him back

circumstances aside, players that take that long to get to the AHL are statistical long shots. I don't know Jankowski well enough to know what his upside is, just thought the guy I replied to was a little ignorant in responding to someone who's opinion was valid, while leaning hard on Jankowski's AHL ppg pace over 10 games as proof that he's something special which is a little silly

I think we are seeing older prospects more and more of an impact in recent years, starting with your own Bozak who was 23 before he made his AHL debut. People always talk about how prospects after a certain amount of time have a lesser chance of making it, but that is also in normal cases. We've all known this was a different situation from the moment Jankowski was drafted, he was initially projected to go to the USHL for a year, then to college for 4 before and then spend a year in the AHL. Now it's looking like he could make his NHL debut 2 seasons earlier than projected, I'm not suggesting he is a lock to be an impact player or anything but the fact of the matter is most projects like this that fizzle out, do so before this and don't continue a strong upwards progression.

There's outliers for sure, the vast majority of UDFA's don't get picked up by NHL clubs though too.

I think the vain of that argument was that guys who reach a certain age and aren't playing in the pros are statistically less likely to have high upsides, not that success cases don't exist. As prospects become removed from their draft year (whether they were drafted or not) they become less likely to have real NHL careers as time rolls on

Jankowski could be good, I've heard lots of talk about him on the boards as a real prospect, but he has now put himself into a group that has a much lower success ratio than the group that advances through the pro ranks more quickly - which also probably bears little meaning to his case specifically other than maybe reducing the number of chances he'll get to crack the Flames roster. If he got to the AHL at 20, I'm sure that they would give him 3-4 years of grace period to establish himself in the NHL, now that he's 22 I'd be surprised if his runway is that long, but if he's got the talent to make it then he probably will. Josh Leivo is a guy for us who got to the AHL in his D+2 and we still feel he has a real shot to be an NHL'er, I think if he just got to the AHL last year (he's a year older than Jankowski) we would be less willing to give him an opportunity and he'd get buried in depth more quickly

 

[ViewsFromThe6ix]

lol not a chance

 

[CaptainCrunch67]

Calgary says nertz. nope

 

[Kurisu]

I just think Tkachuk compliments the Leafs forward core more-so than Nylander does.

Obviously, Nylander holds more value right now, but Tkachuck is in his rookie season and Nylander is in his draft + 2.

Nylander gets to return to his hometown of Calgary

if you like Tkachuk so much, go be a flames fan.

 

[East Coast Icestyle]

if you like Tkachuk so much, go be a flames fan.

Lol defensive much