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AuraSphere said:
Ok well then you're a homer. I was at the game and have followed his progress throughout last year very closely. He looked good with the marlies but he looks absolutely awful this pre-season. He doesn't look confident in the slightest.
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"You don't agree with my opinion, therefore you are a homer."

Love this!
 
LeafChief said:
"You don't agree with my opinion, therefore you are a homer."

Love this!
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yep, then proceeded to double down with "its not an opinion, its an obvious observation" with absolutely nothing fact related to support it.

but hey, he went to the game. and as well all know only the best and brightest of us can attend professional sports events.
 
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Liljegren is still a good prospect but he's clearly not on Sandin's level. Nothing wrong with that at all. He's still having a solid preseason but just isn't doing enough to force Babcock into considering him
 
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CantLoseWithMatthews said:
Liljegren is still a good prospect but he's clearly not on Sandin's level. Nothing wrong with that at all. He's still having a solid preseason but just isn't doing enough to force Babcock into considering him
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my argument is simply give him the same opportunity for a game or 2, show some confidence in him by putting him with actual roster players and let him sink or swim. im not at practice or behind the scenes so im not sure what he has or hasnt done to warrant an opportunity, im just watching games, and while i think he can play better i think hes been very good considering hes had to carry 2 dmen with a total of 15 AHL games between them. if he goes back to the AHL its all good. but i wanna see what he can do if given a real shot.
 
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CantLoseWithMatthews said:
Liljegren is still a good prospect but he's clearly not on Sandin's level. Nothing wrong with that at all. He's still having a solid preseason but just isn't doing enough to force Babcock into considering him
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Wouldn't it depend on what Babcock is looking for? If babs told lily show me how good you are in our end, we need someone who can break up a cycle and move the puck out. Can you show me that under pressure?
Then lily might be gold in the coaches eyes?
 
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saltming said:
Wouldn't it depend on what Babcock is looking for? If babs told lily show me how good you are in our end, we need someone who can break up a cycle and move the puck out. Can you show me that under pressure?
Then lily might be gold in the coaches eyes?
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Then why isn't Babcock praising him like he's praising Sandin? It sounds like he views them very differently
 
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CantLoseWithMatthews said:
Then why isn't Babcock praising him like he's praising Sandin? It sounds like he views them very differently
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I have not heard the interviews so this is all just my opinion.
Sandin is younger and if being sent down might lose confidence, so band might be pumping his tires so when/if sandin is sent down he will still have his head held high, whereas he is pushing lily. Tough love if you wish. Letting lily fell the heat and seeing if he cracks.
Again I'm spitballing because I have no behind the scenes info
 
For the record I've always though sandin is the better prospect with the higher ceiling and potential to reach it.
 
I kinda feel for Liljegren to be honest. Poor guy has had his development stalled repeatedly due to injuries. Here's the good news though. He is 20 years old, and fighting against adversity. IMO, that builds character. Sandin may very well be ahead of him in development. Sandin looks real good. That said, anyone who gives up on Liljegren at this point is a damn fool. I never thought that he would be elite. (That's why I change his potential in EA every game.) I am supremely confident that he will be a top 4 defenseman though. Even if it takes him longer than anyone wants.
 
AuraSphere said:
Ok well then you're a homer. I was at the game and have followed his progress throughout last year very closely. He looked good with the marlies but he looks absolutely awful this pre-season. He doesn't look confident in the slightest.
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I'm not saying Liljegren has been a world-beater or anything out there. He's been fairly steady and unspectactular. Your assessment is trash if all you're going to do is resort to calling me a homer for not seeing it how you did.
 
While I haven't liked his game at all, it doesn't help when he has Rubin as his partner on defence. Who the hell is Rubin :laugh:
 
CantLoseWithMatthews said:
Then why isn't Babcock praising him like he's praising Sandin? It sounds like he views them very differently
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The media keeps specifically asking Babcock about Sandin. No one seems to be asking about Liljegren really which is a big part of why I don't think he's getting talked about. If Babcock has said anything really about Liljegren not being up to snuff with the other D in camp (as stated by another poster here) then I certainly haven't heard that.

People wanna compare Sandin/Lil, like if one is doing well the other must be failing or struggling, but that just isn't the case imo. They don't seem to be being asked to do the same things. Sandin is getting a lot of offensive opportunity, powerplay, probably offensive zone starts (I'm guessing on this one), and Liljegren being deployed more defensively and with largely worse partners.
I really don't see the need to pit these guys against each other. If one or the other makes the team is probably gonna be about their individual strengths and how needed they are in the defensive group, not really which is just outright better.
 
Sypher04 said:
The media keeps specifically asking Babcock about Sandin. No one seems to be asking about Liljegren really which is a big part of why I don't think he's getting talked about. If Babcock has said anything really about Liljegren not being up to snuff with the other D in camp (as stated by another poster here) then I certainly haven't heard that.

People wanna compare Sandin/Lil, like if one is doing well the other must be failing or struggling, but that just isn't the case imo. They don't seem to be being asked to do the same things. Sandin is getting a lot of offensive opportunity, powerplay, probably offensive zone starts (I'm guessing on this one), and Liljegren being deployed more defensively and with largely worse partners.
I really don't see the need to pit these guys against each other. If one or the other makes the team is probably gonna be about their individual strengths and how needed they are in the defensive group, not really which is just outright better.
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Babcock can easily bring up players he likes though. I remember some times last year when guys asked about Tavares or Marner, he might say something like "well don't forget Hyman out there, he gets em the puck". if he was really inclined, I am sure he could have also brought up Liljegren as another impressive young defenseman

I agree, it's silly to pit them against each other. Sandin is better, but that shouldn't be a slight to tear Lilly down
 
Lilijegren is going to surprise a lot of people IMO, especially after all the Sandin hype and the way Sandin's developed.

He just needs this year in the AHL to be the sole #1 defender and be confident there. Then bring him up.

We need his type of player. A physical mobile reliable RHD with great passing skills.
 
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Sypher04 said:
The media keeps specifically asking Babcock about Sandin. No one seems to be asking about Liljegren really which is a big part of why I don't think he's getting talked about. If Babcock has said anything really about Liljegren not being up to snuff with the other D in camp (as stated by another poster here) then I certainly haven't heard that.

People wanna compare Sandin/Lil, like if one is doing well the other must be failing or struggling, but that just isn't the case imo. They don't seem to be being asked to do the same things. Sandin is getting a lot of offensive opportunity, powerplay, probably offensive zone starts (I'm guessing on this one), and Liljegren being deployed more defensively and with largely worse partners.
I really don't see the need to pit these guys against each other. If one or the other makes the team is probably gonna be about their individual strengths and how needed they are in the defensive group, not really which is just outright better.
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Last game Sandin's Offensive Zone Start percentage was around 65% but had a negative Corsi (Lower Corsi for, Higher Corsi Against). Liljegren's Offensive Zone Starts were around 35% and was even in Corsi percentage.
 
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PromisedLand said:
PlayerTOICF%FF%SF%GF%xGF%SCF%HDCF%Off. Zone Faceoff %
Rasmus Sandin19.6541.384546.1510041.7346.674062.5
Timothy Liljegren18.255054.5557.14-48.146.674028.57
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These are stats from tonight's game. i will leave it at that
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Sypher04 said:
The media keeps specifically asking Babcock about Sandin. No one seems to be asking about Liljegren really which is a big part of why I don't think he's getting talked about. If Babcock has said anything really about Liljegren not being up to snuff with the other D in camp (as stated by another poster here) then I certainly haven't heard that.

People wanna compare Sandin/Lil, like if one is doing well the other must be failing or struggling, but that just isn't the case imo. They don't seem to be being asked to do the same things. Sandin is getting a lot of offensive opportunity, powerplay, probably offensive zone starts (I'm guessing on this one), and Liljegren being deployed more defensively and with largely worse partners.
I really don't see the need to pit these guys against each other. If one or the other makes the team is probably gonna be about their individual strengths and how needed they are in the defensive group, not really which is just outright better.
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I don't care about advanced stats for D, but as I assume that chart was posted because of the assumed offensive zone starts comment I will just point out that Liljegren actually had a higher percentage of offensive zone starts that game (60% vs 55% for Sandin). Liljegren's really high percentage of defensive faceoffs was because of faceoffs during the shifts, not starting shifts.
 
djdev said:
my argument is simply give him the same opportunity for a game or 2, show some confidence in him by putting him with actual roster players and let him sink or swim. im not at practice or behind the scenes so im not sure what he has or hasnt done to warrant an opportunity, im just watching games, and while i think he can play better i think hes been very good considering hes had to carry 2 dmen with a total of 15 AHL games between them. if he goes back to the AHL its all good. but i wanna see what he can do if given a real shot.
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remember Sparks has back to back shutouts his first 2 nhl games... after that I cant revall him even having a giid game. that was reg. season too. not q great time to evqluqte a player imo
 
CreeksideStrangler said:
remember Sparks has back to back shutouts his first 2 nhl games... after that I cant revall him even having a giid game. that was reg. season too. not q great time to evqluqte a player imo
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what did you just say? have you been drinking? haha

really though, what does sparks have to do with what i just said? i dont get the correlation. preseason is specifically for evaluating players that have the potential to be on your team. when do you suggest they evaluate them?
 
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djdev said:
what did you just say? have you been drinking? haha

really though, what does sparks have to do with what i just said? i dont get the correlation. preseason is specifically for evaluating players that have the potential to be on your team. when do you suggest they evaluate them?
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fingers too big for tiny smartphones and i dont use autocorrect. youre aqying put him with the nhl club to gain confidence. that worked out for spqrks right? a few missed buttons and you say that?? I actually dont drink anymore pal
 
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