hamzarocks
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Your right they've killed almost all of them outside of 1 since game 1
Though if holl is on the ice for 1-2 EVS goals a game the damage is being done even with good PK
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Though if holl is on the ice for 1-2 EVS goals a game the damage is being done even with good PK
Rielly4
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we still have 4 good PK D though with Holl out.
Mccabe Brodie
Gio Schenn
Mccabe Brodie
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1specter
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Yesterday when Holl was in the box the Leafs did an excellent job of killing the penalty. Later as well when Kerfoot, another 'important' penalty killer took that idiotic delay of game, we had maybe the best kill of the entire series. Other guys are perfectly capable of stepping up.
You can't teach a guy to skate with speed, you can't teach a guy to be nasty and you can't teach a guy how to score .. it is a miracle Holl made da show .. only thing going for him is 6ft5 but a soft guy who can't skate well enough to box out from net and/or scrum properly on wall .. like i said it is a miracle he got 6M from hockey .. but congrats to him on getting $$$ from Dubie
Jimmy Firecracker
Backcheck, Forecheck, Paycheque.
Dubas prioritized players who were capable defensively at the TDL. Leafs have more than enough personnel to replace Holl (and Kerfoot if you really wanted) on the PK. Keefe is gonna Keefe though.
Lemontree
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Agreed. There seems to be a misconception that these 2 players are Keefe's "toys" however, Dubas is 100% on board with these 2 players as well getting the ice time they do.
Holl is a Dubas "find" and supposed to represent his keen eye for talent that other management teams just couldn't identify. Kerfoot is the remainder of the god awful Kadri trade! Dubas and by extension Keefe are determined to prove that they are correct in their assessments of these 2 plugs.
HamiltonNHL
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It's so hard to see a pattern here.
How will Keefe decide if we need to make a defensive change ?
/lol
WTFMAN99
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Liljegren needs to be in for Holl.
I don't even mind Gus coming in for Gio if he's not 100% or going to be a liability, don't be a hero.
I don't even mind Gus coming in for Gio if he's not 100% or going to be a liability, don't be a hero.
ToneDog
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Rielly is pretty much the only player to elevate his game for the Leafs so far.
Jimmy Firecracker
Backcheck, Forecheck, Paycheque.
Rielly-Schenn have been great. McCabe-Brodie have been treading water but given how they’re matched up against the best Tampa has to offer that’s forgivable. Gio-Holl has been inexcusably terrible.
WTFMAN99
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Yea, the one thing that's bothered me with Brodie is how plays die with his timidness on the blueline.
ToneDog
56 years and counting. #FireTheShanaClan!
Gio and Liljegren have always been solid together. Adding Liljegren to the lineup might help out Giordano as well. Gio looks like he could benefit from a change.
it's too bad Keefe has made this personal. Holl has been nothing short of disastrous against the Lightning thus far.
HamiltonNHL
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I think Liljegren looked good, especially for having spent so much time out of the lineup.
I'd like to see him get more games, he's an improvement over Holl.
I'd like to see him get more games, he's an improvement over Holl.
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Lily made a costly play up the boards in OT or late third that turned into a chance that Sammy thankfully turned away otherwise it would have been up there in the echelon of Galchenyuk, Brodie, Kerfoot turnovers.
He can ease in but needs to be sheltered.
He can ease in but needs to be sheltered.
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McCabe-Brodie
Rielly-Schenn
Giordano-Liljegren
For the rest of the playoffs. Gus and Holl should only be injury fill-ins.
Rielly-Schenn
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For the rest of the playoffs. Gus and Holl should only be injury fill-ins.
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he took a shot that narrowly missed the net and rolled around the boards to a Tampa player. I would not call that a mistake. Your post makes it sound like he had a clumsy giveaway. That’s a big stretch.
(unless I you are talking about something else that I can’t remember)
He also made really good plays in front of the net. Tying up sticks, blocking shots.
I don’t think it’s personal at all. Being an NHL coach is hard and we have to remind ourselves that coaches and organizations have access to data beyond what we can even imagine. So they must feel that there is something Holl has been doing right and have data to support it, whether it’s high effectiveness on the PK or blocking shots.
That being said playing Liljegren was indeed the right call. I’m glad they made the switch.
Perhaps Keefe thought that Holl being the vet and having a bigger body would be more effective against the tough Lightning players, however going by all the regular season play it seemed pretty obvious that despite being smaller Liljegren was the more effective player in most games. Better speed, better passer and fewer mistakes, he should've been in from game 1.
