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Tim Thomas or Roberto Luongo & all goalie trade discussion

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HFX902 said:
A Vancouver source told QMI Agency on Sunday that the Canucks want to study the new CBA before making a decision on what to do with Luongo, which could very well end up being a deal to Toronto if it proves to be the right fit.
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Common sense told us all Teams would wait for the CBA to be resolved to see how it would affect his contract. Nothing new there.
 
i cannot believe a luongo trade might actually happen, is burke really this buffoon?
 
The Canucks could use a boost up the middle after Ryan Kesler admitted Sunday that there is no timetable for his return from surgeries to his left shoulder and wrist. Bozak certainly would add some depth at centre, plus could fill a void on the second power-play unit.
 
HFX902 said:
Watched it last night. words from Bob Mckenzie
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I watched the same interview, Bob absolutely did not say a deal was in place.

He said there were heavy talks, but the two sides haven't worked out the players. He also said that it's not a done deal by any means, and that Florida was still a possibility.
 
Kurtz said:
I watched the same interview, Bob absolutely did not say a deal was in place.

He said there were heavy talks, but the two sides haven't worked out the players. He also said that it's not a done deal by any means, and that Florida was still a possibility.
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Maybe I am a typical leaf fan getting over excited. But I will re watch GameOn tonight.
 
Thx for posting that thread with link to the Toronto sun article separately, I would have missed it as I don't shuffle through these long threads
 
If the Lu rumours are going this far then it must be a done deal.
 
Tim Thomas is the man, if you can get him to agree to play.

A man armed with truth has nothing to lose!

You get Thomas to play, he will be amazing, book it.

I think Lou has his career to think about, Thomas will lay it all out, especially in a short season.
 
I don't care if Thomas believes in Aliens, If we can have him for the remainder of this season +1 more, it would give the management a lot of flexibility. Lolongo is tainted by the media, and he will be on a leash so short, every mistake of his will be blown out of proportion.
 
Thomas is taking the year off so I don't see why hes even being discussed. He probably hasn't put on a pair of skates since his last game.
 
Hal Gill As A Leaf said:
I cannot believe that no one wants Thomas just based on his political views. How does that effect his game? Overwhelmingly no one even talks about his ability in net. What's up with that?
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Thomas' soapbox act was a huge distraction that arguably hurt the team's and his own performance according to many Bruins watchers. NESN.com's Douglas Flynn wrote the following last April:

There’s no way to know for certain, but personally I do believe that the distraction Thomas caused did have an impact on both his own poor play and the team’s midseason swoon, though it is important to note that both trends were already beginning before the White House incident. Thomas’ struggles really began on New Year’s Eve with a 4-2 loss in Dallas, and it wasn’t until St. Patrick’s Day that he fully snapped out of it. He led Boston to a 3-2 shootout win over Philly that day and was close to his old self for the rest of the way. He did not allow more than three goals in any of his first 22 games before that Dallas loss, but then gave up four or more eight times in 28 appearances before St. Patty’s, plus three goals in 20 minutes before being pulled against Pittsburgh and two in 19 minutes against Tampa Bay. Including that Philly game, he finished the season with a 6-1-1 record, allowing three goals just once in that span.

How much of a factor the White House controversy was in contributing to Thomas’ slump and the team’s struggles is impossible to determine, but it certainly didn’t help and was an unnecessary distraction. It will be interesting to see if facing Washington now will affect him again. The questions about the controversy will no doubt be raised plenty of times during the series, and he already stormed out of a media scrum when asked about it after Monday’s practice.
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...ctor-and-more/2012/04/10/gIQABVWU9S_blog.html

Keeping in mind as well that all this was said in a country no stranger to far right Conservatism, as exhibited by the Tea Party Movement. Canada has a much more progressive population that is even less sympathetic to these than the average American. Thomas' views on gay rights, in particular, are something that could land him in hot water here in Toronto, given the city's large LGBT community. If you follow the Blue Jays, you probably know all about the outrage from Yunel Escobar's slur. Now imagine it, along with Thomas' other comments in Boston, magnified under the glare of the Maple Leafs media.

So, yes, his political views do matter. Or rather, they do until he learns to keep them to himself.

Hal Gill As A Leaf said:
People used to talk badly about Balfour too.
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Belfour never quit on his team in the middle of his contract.
 
Ruski said:
If i understand the new CBA buyout details correctly, there will be two available buyout periods Summer 2013 & Summer 2014.

If that's true, then trading for Luongo now seems like a no-brainer to me. Worst case he doesn't pan out after the 2013/2014 season and we buy him out. No long-term cap hit risk this way and if he pans out then great, we keep him around.

Leafs have the $ and with the buyouts coming out of the players share, it seems like a very logical move to me.

For Vancouver, this would essentially be a salary dump and mitigation of risk if they can't trade him after next season and have to swallow the buyout themselves.

As fans, why do we care how much Leafs spend on buyouts (if it comes to that), since it wont have an impact on their ability to sign other players and they will still spend up to the cap every year possible?
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And from what I understand, even if you don't buy him out, and he retires before the end of the contract (as expected) it's the Canucks that are on the hook for the remainder of the contract as far as cap hit goes.

From James Mirtle's twitter: Can 100% confirm the new CBA will include the cap benefit recapture formula. It will apply to existing deals "in excess of six years."
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hockeyfanz said:
Yeah and outside one outstanding season it was true. Eddie was done...also Eddie is a HHOF goaltender....Luongo? Not so much.
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The Leafs don't "need" Luongo to be a HHOF goalie. They just need him to play like he can.

Not sure why people don't want him here. Are they that afraid of success? Does he guarantee anything? Nope, but he's certainly A LOT better than the alternative.

As to the contract? The cap hit is just over 5 million. That's a very reasonable price. Who cares if it's 10 years? AFAIK, retirement doesn't retain the cap hit, only sending him down.
 
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