Tim Thomas or Roberto Luongo & all goalie trade discussion

[Stats01]

Yeah, Tim and Sid were just givin' it to him with the stalker jokes, too funny.

"That's so TFC!" LOL

 

[Winreims]

And Markstrom. Florida is just mentioned because that's Luongo's first choice, from all indications they're not even interested in him LOL.

Oh yeah Markstrom too lol. They're just throwing them in the rumour talks, but the only team that really NEED Luongo are the Leafs. The Lightning need a goalie, but they aren't mentioned at all.

 

[colchar]

Have we discussed the possibility of bring in Luongo and using one of the buyouts on him and negotiating a more reasonable contract? Does that make any sense?

Not allowed. First, no buyout can be done until this summer. Second, and far more importantly, a team cannot buy a player out and then negotiate a new deal with that player. If a player is bought out he can be signed by any team in the league except for the team that bought him out.

 

[Stats01]

Oh yeah Markstrom too lol. They're just throwing them in the rumour talks, but the only team that really NEED Luongo are the Leafs. The Lightning need a goalie, but they aren't mentioned at all.

they have Lindback who they got from Nashville. Gave up a couple of 2nd round picks and a third rounder for him, unless he backs up Luongo..lol pretty big price to pay for a back-up though

I think they're going with Lindback and Garon

 

[JEI]

Sorry if it's posted:

http://mapleleafshotstove.com/2013/01/08/better-know-the-risk-roberto-luongo/

 

[Mr Knies Guy]

"That's so TFC!" LOL

Honestly, one of their better bits-- it's so true

 

[Pinchy]

I really hope that we don't trade for Luongo. It seems like while this will help us over the next 4 - 5 years, this trade will haunt us 6+ years down the road.

I also don't like the idea of giving up Kadri. Bozak, Franson and a 2nd should be plenty as Vancouver doesn't really have a lot of other options.

 

[Stats01]

Honestly, one of their better bits-- it's so true

It is true. What a disgrace they've turned out to be. This is a bit OT but how the hell do you hire a guy who is still playing!! and won't be available until May LMFAO..

 

[mix1home]

1. Two buyout periods. One after this year and one after next. Total 2 buyouts per team allowed. (This is my understanding)

2. Owners would obviously care but what i was trying to suggest in my post was that IF the buyouts are part of the equation which calculated total revenue for a team, with the Leafs, it will just most likely decrease/negate the "revenue sharing" they would normally pay to poor teams and thus not have a huge impact on the bottom line.

I could be wrong on #2, this is why i posted as a question originally. Would love to see what the CBA says about this...anyone know?

I would think that Leafs revenue will still be in top 10 in the league, so that they will put their share into the pool of money. I dont see any connection between buyout and revenue sharing.

 

[colchar]

Man, percentages are there for a reason. You're discounting the use of weighted percentages applied to each standings position. It's not like the 14th last team has the same odds as the bottom 3 teams as you seem to be implying.

I never implied that the 14th last team had the same odds, merely that the inclusion of more teams skews the odds.

 

[Rare Jewel]

I'm confused as to why Florida needs Luongo... They have Theodore and didn't they re-sign Clemmensen in the summer?

Luongo would be an upgrade, But I think it might be Florida thinking "let's try to drive up the price cause Toronto could be a team we're competing against for a playoff spot in the coming season"

Just a thought.

 

[TrueBlue86]

I really hope that we don't trade for Luongo. It seems like while this will help us over the next 4 - 5 years, this trade will haunt us 6+ years down the road.

I also don't like the idea of giving up Kadri. Bozak, Franson and a 2nd should be plenty as Vancouver doesn't really have a lot of other options.

LMFAO, for a franchise who hasn't made the playoffs in 7 years, we're worried what MAY 'haunt' us in 6 years?
you don't even know what the league will look like in 6 years

plus the leafs are the richest team in the league, i'm sure they can find the cash flexibility to do what ever with him

heck, he wouldn't even be the top 5 worst contract on this team. look at burke's free agent signings, they're mostly awful. i have more confidence in this contract than in 75% burke's sign or will sign. he overpays players like crazy.

we desperately need a talented goalie, that's the only thing we know for sure. when we had cujo/eddy= playoffs each year except 06 and a playoff win most years.

so yea while you protect yourself from what MAY happen in 6 years i'll take one of the best goalies in the league to finally shore up this team's biggest weakness for at least a few years

 

[Stats01]

LMFAO, for a franchise who hasn't made the playoffs in 7 years, we're worried what MAY 'haunt' us in 6 years?
you don't even know what the league will look like in 6 years

plus the leafs are the richest team in the league, i'm sure they can find the cash flexibility to do what ever with him

heck, he wouldn't even be the top 5 worst contract on this team. look at burke's free agent signings, they're mostly awful. i have more confidence in this contract than in 75% burke's sign or will sign. he overpays players like crazy.

we desperately need a talented goalie, that's the only thing we know for sure. when we had cujo/eddy= playoffs each year except 06 and a playoff win most years.

so yea while you protect yourself from what MAY happen in 6 years i'll take one of the best goalies in the league to finally shore up this team's biggest weakness for at least a few years

Couldn't have said it better myself, I feel the same way. Too many people worry about the future rather than what's going on this year. Who cares what happens 6 years down the road, we'll deal with that when we get there, until then I want a legit #1 and some playoff hockey. What's the point in having cap space if you're not going to use it?

 

[ACC1224]

Couldn't have said it better myself, I feel the same way. Too many people worry about the future rather than what's going on this year. Who cares what happens 6 years down the road, we'll deal with that when we get there, until then I want a legit #1 and some playoff hockey.

I think it's that the Leafs have been burnt so many times in the past by this thinking that it's left some a little gun shy.

 

[JMcLeaf]

Sorry if it's posted:

http://mapleleafshotstove.com/2013/01/08/better-know-the-risk-roberto-luongo/

Thanks for sharing. I was a bit confused about the risks, but that article made it pretty clear.

 

[4evaBlue]

LMFAO, for a franchise who hasn't made the playoffs in 7 years, we're worried what MAY 'haunt' us in 6 years?

This is the fanbase that's all gungho over the Kessel trade, which has yet to come back to haunt us 4 years later.

 

[colchar]

Where are you getting your information from? I think you're confused as to the way the lottery used to work.

I had actually meant to say 'jumping' but was reading something else about teams dropping in the draft as well as something about the introduction of the lottery (the old Ottawa tanked it thing) and merely screwed up when typing my posts. Screwing around on two forums at the same time while also waiting on hold with Rogers didn't help either.

 

[Joey Hoser]

This is the fanbase that's all gungho over the Kessel trade,

Huh?

 

[colchar]

Does his value drop in half if reimer and scrivy play like crap (which they will)?

Since you have a crystal ball would you mind sending me a PM with this week's winning lottery numbers?

 

[Mess]

The Panthers won't be offering Weiss IMO. Other than Huberdeau they really don't have anyone else at C.

Weiss is a UFA at seasons end, talks have not gone well on a new deal in Florida and the Panthers may lose him to free agency next summer.

Lots of reason why Florida may part with Weiss in a Luongo deal. They also have a top ranked prospect pool to fill future NHL spots as you mentioned Huberdeau being one..

 

[namttebih]

Weiss is a UFA at seasons end, talks have not gone well on a new deal in Florida and the Panthers may lose him to free agency next summer.

Lots of reason why Florida may part with Weiss in a Luongo deal. They also have a top ranked prospect pool to fill future NHL spots as you mentioned Huberdeau being one..

Huh, didn't know that about Weiss, thanks.

Why don't we trade for him? He's a T.O boy isn't he?

 

[Sam Slick*]

LMFAO, for a franchise who hasn't made the playoffs in 7 years, we're worried what MAY 'haunt' us in 6 years?
you don't even know what the league will look like in 6 years

plus the leafs are the richest team in the league, i'm sure they can find the cash flexibility to do what ever with him

heck, he wouldn't even be the top 5 worst contract on this team. look at burke's free agent signings, they're mostly awful. i have more confidence in this contract than in 75% burke's sign or will sign. he overpays players like crazy.

we desperately need a talented goalie, that's the only thing we know for sure. when we had cujo/eddy= playoffs each year except 06 and a playoff win most years.

so yea while you protect yourself from what MAY happen in 6 years i'll take one of the best goalies in the league to finally shore up this team's biggest weakness for at least a few years

And a big fat ditto for me to. Well said.

 

[Mess]

Huh, didn't know that about Weiss, thanks.

Why don't we trade for him? He's a T.O boy isn't he?

Or we could just sign him next summer when he is a UFA with all our free cap space.

 

[namttebih]

Or we could just sign him next summer when he is a UFA with all our free cap space.

lol Very true. That's a lot of money going to center's with him, Grabbo and Getzlaf.

 

[shakes]

Sorry if it's posted:

http://mapleleafshotstove.com/2013/01/08/better-know-the-risk-roberto-luongo/

Have they actually confirmed that retirement counts. What I read was that it was sending players down, not retirement.