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Hey remember a few months ago when that Habs fan said Nick Suzuki was better than Timmy?
What a joker, still cracks me up.
What a joker, still cracks me up.
Player Discussion Tim Stützle - (C) - Part VI
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ReginKarlssonLehner
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Stutzle had best u-19 performance in Germany pro league in last 25-30 years. Stutzle was best forward in WJC that featured all-time performance by Zegras. Stutzle is 8th among all active forwards in points before age of 21 ahead of Bergeron, Marner, Toews, Pastrnak etc. Id argue he played among worst linemates for half that time.
Stutzle in his prime will be top 5 in the game. Nothing thus far makes that an out of reach assumption.
I love your optimism about every one of our players and prospects man.
Never change bro
That's cause I actually watch them. Couple of my closest friends coached a bunch of NHLers before they went pro, likes of Weber, Cogliano, Gagner etc. Tried to get me into coaching/scouting as well. The players and prospects I have hyped have all went on to be top 5 in their positions respectively. Half of my 40 k posts probably on EK in first 2-3 years I was here. Worth every second as he became an all-time great.
I was only one(or among extreme few) to predict Tkachuk accurately when drafted.
Only ones who haven't yet are: Regin(biased a bit since I knew him), Silfverberg, Lazar, Daccord, Stutzle and Sanderson.
The latter two will.
If we had proper GMing/ownership, we would have won a cup with the insane plethora of talent we had through here: Zibanejad, Karlsson, Stone, Lehner(kinda unfortunate one) etc.
Conversely, I've been extremely negative(relative to average fan) on Spezza, Ryan, Kuba, Turris, Anderson, Ceci, Michalek
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ReginKarlssonLehner
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That's the thing, of all Stutzle's attributes and qualities, his competitiveness ranks number 1.
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During these difficult times...
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Just to add to your last bit of guys we pretty much gave away but could have helped (other than Karlsson) like zibanejad, stone - Hoffman, demelo, Ian Cole, Duchene….
That’s 6 very good players we gave away for almost nothing. Pretty crazy. Incompetence cost us playoffs for sure. You can blame it on owner/money issues but there’s no excuse for giving those players away.
ReginKarlssonLehner
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On the plus side, we are assembling what might be the greatest core yet.
Stutzle: Will be top 5 C in his prime.
Tkachuk: Will be top 5 LW in his prime, already top 10.
Chabot: Is a top 15 D in the game. Will have a top 5 Norris finish, imo(this is one I believe in the least because we might have ruined him).
Sanderson: Will be a top 5 D in the game.
Norris: A solid 1A/1B C.
Batherson: A solid 1RW who could flirt with top 5 RW in his prime.
DeBrincat: A top 10 LW who has shown top 5 ability before.
We have all locked/controlled for at least another 5 years(outside DeBrincat, Sanderson is absolute no brainer).
The million dollar question will be: do we keep DeBrincat or do we add another top D to that core in his stead.
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RickyLafleur
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Nah not really, I don't think most people care enough to remember random bad takes from here. He is proving all of his doubters wrong so far and looks to be on track to be a süperstar.
bert
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You're over rating quite a few of the sens players. Where are they getting a top d man exactly? They already gave up prime assets for Debrincat they should do whatever they can to keep him.
ReginKarlssonLehner
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Who am I overrating? Tkachuk is almost there. Norris already a 1B C. Batherson already a 1RW. DeBrincat already a top 10 LW.
Sanderson and Stutzle are only ones.. and they the ones I'm most confident about. Especially Sanderson.
Agreed on keeping DeBrincat, we could always trade later on from position of strength.
the sens don't need a top defensemen when they have Chabot, Zub and Sanderson. They need a steady 2nd pair guy who can play with elite talent.
also a better coaching team helps
"...now it will come down to his willingness and commitment to put in the work ..."
Check out from 1:45 to 2:30.
bert
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I like the sens core I really do but these are some very ambitious projections. Batherson is the worst defensive player in hockey right now. He isn't a top 5 rw. Debrincat is a much better player. Weird to watch the games and think Batherson is better.
Chabot has played better but he is not a top 10 d man.
I love Stutzles game and he has the potential to maybe be a top 5 center but Def not a top 5 player.
Saying Sanderson will be a top 5 d is very very Lofty expectations. Dahlin, Fox, Heiskanen, Makar and Hedman aren't going anywhere. Seider, Mcavoy, Jiricek, Theodore, Karlsson, Werenski, Chabot, Power, Q Hughes, L Hughes, Nemec, Dobson, Edvinsson etc are all in competition too.
Just need to temper them a little.
Only one that is where you stated are Tkachuk and Debrincat.
This team needs to continue to draft develop and add.
ReginKarlssonLehner
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Can you read, brother? I'll let you reread what I said. Unsure where you surmised I said anything close to Batherson being better.
I unno where you read that I said he's a top 5 RW and where I said Batherson is better.
Yea, I edited Chabot before to say he's top 15.
Lofty or not, Sanderson will be in the conversation sometime in his prime. As good a prospect resume as any top 5 D man currently.
IMO he'll be our most valuable player with Stutzle.
I'm curious how old you are.
Just my opinion but we had better and more talent from 99 - 07 than we ever had in the Karlsson Stone Zbad era.
We should have won a cup, maybe two, in that 99-07 timeline
Notwithstanding the great run we had in 2017, I think pretty much every team we had from 99-07 was better than that 2017 team.
The President Trophy teams were definitely better than the 2017 version, which was a result of a very inspirational EK65 leading a motivated team that was nowhere near the quality of the CASH or even pre-CASH rosters.
I believe the current roster in full-health is trending to be better than the 2017 version and soon. The centre depth has never been better.
TonySoprano11
It's a very delicate situation.
I loved the TV interview Stutzle did after the game the other night. All the players give lip service to the fans, but something seemed very genuine in his feelings towards the fans. I get the feeling that Timmy is one of those guys that doesn't let it get by him how lucky he is to be doing what he's doing, and how thankful he is that he was embraced so warmly by the fans and community in Ottawa.
It appreciate him a lot more after that interview.
It appreciate him a lot more after that interview.
ReginKarlssonLehner
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Early 30s.
Also, I never debated 2017 was better. I am saying proper management/ownership could have created another team worthy of winning the cup. Yes, we should have won 97 through 07. We had a juggernaut. However, Karlsson is the single greatest piece this franchise has ever had. We could have assembled a worthy 1D, 1C, 1W and 1G core to win a cup with. Properly managing/financing around that asset(EK) should have resulted into another cup. Especially when we had likes of Stone and Zbad during that same timeframe.
bert
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They should have won in 04 best goal differential in the league, blew it against the leafs/jaques wouldnt play Spezza with Hossa. Then the lock out year would have been prime time, 06 was the most talented team they ever had. I feel from 03-07 was the peak prime of this franchise before the salary cap/muckler blew it all up.
ReginKarlssonLehner
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bert
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Look at the ages of all the stars from 03-07.... Thats basically 2 to 3 years from now with this core. I really think we just have to keep all the big pieces in tact here not trade any prospects and just wait. I think by 2025/26 is when this team starts to make some real noise. I know it sucks to wait but its going to be a fun process. This was always the time line with the 2020 draft being the big one for this franchise.
ReginKarlssonLehner
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Yes, it is, because some of those guys you mentioned have been in conversation for top 5(Larkin is out of place), lol. I never said top 3 (even though I believe he'll be on MacKinnon level).
ReginKarlssonLehner
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bert
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But players like Mcdavid, Draisaitl, Mackinnon, Matthews, Kucherov, Kaprizov, Thompson, Robertson, Crosby, Hedman, Vasilevski, Shesterkin, Hughes, Makar, Marner, M Tkachuk, Barkov etc all exist. So no I dont expect Stutzle to be a top 5 player in the league and that is ok!
ReginKarlssonLehner
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Whenever I say anyone will be top 5 it doesn't mean an absolute consensus top 5. It means he will be in the conversation at some point in their career with a peak that is argued as top 5. Like you have denoted, there is significantttt talent in this league. Someone earlier this summer made a great case for M. Tkachuk as best winger in the game, while guys like Kucherov are obvious candidates, nonetheless, conversation can be had for them.
Dionysus
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It may be lofty, but I would not at all be surprised to see Stutzle as a consensus top 5 player during his peak.
High scoring centre who seems to be developing his shot now as well. Has the speed, edgework, hands, passing and smarts to be a 100 pt player, especially with current scoring levels.
Add to that he already plays PK, last minute of games, fantastic zone exits. He will be a two-way beast, physicality and passion as well.
He is averaging over 20 minutes a night at 20 years old. Sky is the limit, and I think he has the drive to push himself into the conversation with the best players in the league. Similar to the levels EK reached at his peak.
High scoring centre who seems to be developing his shot now as well. Has the speed, edgework, hands, passing and smarts to be a 100 pt player, especially with current scoring levels.
Add to that he already plays PK, last minute of games, fantastic zone exits. He will be a two-way beast, physicality and passion as well.
He is averaging over 20 minutes a night at 20 years old. Sky is the limit, and I think he has the drive to push himself into the conversation with the best players in the league. Similar to the levels EK reached at his peak.
