Toggle sidebar

Player Discussion Tim Stützle - (C) - Part VI

  • Work is still on-going to rebuild the site styling and features. Please report any issues you may experience so we can look into it. Click Here for Updates
Alf Silfversson said:
Bedard is obviously a great prospect but I think it's a little premature to put him ahead of Hughes or Stü.
Click to expand...
Generational type guys like Bedard come around 1/2 times a decade, and generally always become the best player in the league.

Since 2000 there’s Crosby, Ovechkin, Malkin, McD, and possibly Matthews if you want. Every single one has a Hart trophy.

Bedard as a prospect is rivalled by at most 3 guys in the past 25 years
 
  • Like
Reactions: Bileur
BondraTime said:
Generational type guys like Bedard come around 1/2 times a decade, and generally always become the best player in the league.

Since 2000 there’s Crosby, Ovechkin, Malkin, McD, and possibly Matthews if you want. Every single one has a Hart trophy.
Click to expand...
Feels hard to doubt him. Highest touted since #97 and McDavid proved all the hype to be correct.
 
bert said:
He signed for more than Hughes a year after his deal who is considered a better player and prospect by the hockey world. That was the comparable I dont think it has anything to do with his personality and everything to do with the precedent that was set.

It was the biggest contract ever signed for a forward that never had a point total over 60 in their career on an ELC. He got paid a historical amount. It has certainly worked out for the sens as he exploded last year but lets not pretend this is something it isnt.

He is a great personality, extremely hard working and is probably going to be this teams franchise leader in points. He is also going to make between 150 and 200 million dollars in his career if he stays healthy.
Click to expand...

He signed for only a couple 100k more than Norris, Brady and Chabot while it being obvious to everyone that he was the best.

His talent was enough to show that he deserved at least a million above all those players and had he pressed for it he would have gotten it.

All he had to do was ask for it or just wait a few months into the season. But he just wanted to retire his parents and a few million more or less was not that important.
 
Agent Zub said:
He signed for only a couple 100k more than Norris, Brady and Chabot while it being obvious to everyone that he was the best.

His talent was enough to show that he deserved at least a million above all those players and had he pressed for it he would have gotten it.
Click to expand...
Those players arent his comparable's. Its simple they play different positions and signed after their ELC's were done. Hughes contract set the precedent because they were in the same situation. He signed for more than Hughes...... Not sure what to tell you but this is how it works they use real production.
 
  • Like
Reactions: DueDiligence
We hear about our prospect pool being void of prospects all the time, but we've got 8 of 159 on that list of u23 players.

Even if you want to make the argument that Stuetzle and Sanderson are NHLers not prospects, that's fair, but then you'd have to go thru the list and remove all the other NHL players. There's at least 30 names on that list that are currently full time NHLers

So our of what's left, we've got 6 out of 125 or so players. Seems we're actually doing ok, doubly so since we've got 2 of the top 18.

Anyone notice Boucher ranked higher on the list than Klevin?
 
JD1 said:
We hear about our prospect pool being void of prospects all the time, but we've got 8 of 159 on that list of u23 players.

Even if you want to make the argument that Stuetzle and Sanderson are NHLers not prospects, that's fair, but then you'd have to go thru the list and remove all the other NHL players. There's at least 30 names on that list that are currently full time NHLers

So our of what's left, we've got 6 out of 125 or so players. Seems we're actually doing ok, doubly so since we've got 2 of the top 18.

Anyone notice Boucher ranked higher on the list than Klevin?
Click to expand...
I sure hope a dude drafted 10th overall is ranked higher than a dude drafted in the middle of the 2nd round...
 
JD1 said:
We hear about our prospect pool being void of prospects all the time, but we've got 8 of 159 on that list of u23 players.

Even if you want to make the argument that Stuetzle and Sanderson are NHLers not prospects, that's fair, but then you'd have to go thru the list and remove all the other NHL players. There's at least 30 names on that list that are currently full time NHLers

So our of what's left, we've got 6 out of 125 or so players. Seems we're actually doing ok, doubly so since we've got 2 of the top 18.

Anyone notice Boucher ranked higher on the list than Klevin?
Click to expand...
That's not too surprising, the fact he even ranked Kleven whatsoever is surprising to me.

He was pretty steadfast that Kleven wasn't an NHL prospect, never even ranked him for the 2020 draft in his top 122 in June 2020, moved him to 108 in September prior to the draft

He thought Boucher was a huge reach as well, but had him 53rd
 
Last edited:
Agent Zub said:
its not that complicated.
Click to expand...
You're right it's not. But you don't seem to understand it. Those players weren't his comparables they didn't sign early. They signed when their ELC's expired. Stutzle signed a full year early. So his comparable was Jack Hughes. That's the contract his agent and the organization based it on. These professionals use tangible and relatable comparables in terms of actual numbers and production to similar players in similar situations. Stutzle obviously has more upside than the players you mentioned. That's why he got more money. He signed a year early to mitigate risk. He only had 58 points when he had been signed. It was a fair deal for both sides as he produced slightly more than Hughes did who signed the previous summer for 8 X 8.
 
bert said:
You're right it's not. But you don't seem to understand it. Those players weren't his comparables they didn't sign early. They signed when their ELC's expired. Stutzle signed a full year early. So his comparable was Jack Hughes. That's the contract his agent and the organization based it on. These professionals use tangible and relatable comparables in terms of actual numbers and production to similar players in similar situations. Stutzle obviously has more upside than the players you mentioned. That's why he got more money. He signed a year early to mitigate risk. He only had 58 points when he had been signed. It was a fair deal for both sides as he produced slightly more than Hughes did who signed the previous summer for 8 X 8.
Click to expand...

You know Stutzle could have said look at the Jack Hughes contract where I'll be underpaid in a year and for the next 7 years and say I don't want that? Jack Hughes contract is bad for Jack Hughes, everyone knows that. Stutzle could have easily said no thanks to that. That contract is near his floor.

Norris, Chabot, Brady are similar caliber players which is why they all got similar money. Stutzle could have looked at their contract and said I'm higher caliber player I want a higher tier of salary.

He could have negotiated either scenarios easily. Ottawa senators could have said nothing because he is the franchise piece and both are logical and based on performance.

Also you realize Brady got his contract without hitting 50 points, and Norris had one 66 point season and and Chabot only one season on the top pair?

And yes Stutzle signed early because he didn't care about the money so much. Which he himself said and likely didn't want to have a long drawn out negotiation. He did us a favour, because he wanted to stay in Ottawa and he wants to win.
 
Agent Zub said:
You know Stutzle could have said look at the Jack Hughes contract where I'll be underpaid in a year and for the next 7 years and say I don't want that? Jack Hughes contract is bad for Jack Hughes, everyone knows that. Stutzle could have easily said no thanks to that. That contract is near his floor.

Norris, Chabot, Brady are similar caliber players which is why they all got similar money. Stutzle could have looked at their contract and said I'm higher caliber player I want a higher tier of salary.

He could have negotiated either scenarios easily. Ottawa senators could have said nothing because he is the franchise piece and both are logical and based on performance.

Also you realize Brady got his contract without hitting 50 points, and Norris had one 66 point season and and Chabot only one season on the top pair?

And yes Stutzle signed early because he didn't care about the money so much. Which he himself said and likely didn't want to have a long drawn out negotiation. He did us a favour, because he wanted to stay in Ottawa and he wants to win.
Click to expand...
You just don't get it. I explained it you ignored the logical explanation as per usual. No shock here. No need to continue this discussion.
 
bert said:
You just don't get it. I explained it you ignored the logical explanation as per usual. No shock here. No need to continue this discussion.
Click to expand...

no you just like to act like a know it all and never consider the fallibility of some your weak ass arguments like this one.

Stuzle could have used ALL of J. Hughes contract + Brady, Chabot and Norris to get him a higher contract than he got but he didn't care enough about money to do it. like he HIMSELF said.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.

Latest posts

Ad

Upcoming events

Ad

Top Bottom