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Player Discussion Tim Stützle - (C) - Part VI

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JD1 said:
Tim's got this
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I'd love it if he does, but I wouldn't necessarily hold it against him, if he falls a little short.

This Draisaitl dude has been quite good these last few years, and no offense to Giroux, Brady and the rest, but I got the impression that this McDavid guy Draisaitl plays with (especially on the pp), might actually be a bit better than them. ;)

Samsquanch said:
If he was legit going to be playing with McDavid the next 4 seasons, I would put money on him doing it.
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I wouldn't. Because I don't see Tim and McDavid complementing each other as well as McDavid and Drai do.

Don't get me wrong, I think he would get close and might do it, but not to the point I would put money on it.
 
Maverick41 said:
I'd love it if he does, but I wouldn't necessarily hold it against him, if he falls a little short.

This Draisaitl dude has been quite good these last few years, and no offense to Giroux, Brady and the rest, but I got the impression that this McDavid guy Draisaitl plays with (especially on the pp), might actually be a bit better than them. ;)



I wouldn't. Because I don't see Tim and McDavid complementing each other as well as McDavid and Drai do.

Don't get me wrong, I think he would get close and might do it, but not to the point I would put money on it.
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Time will tell.
 
I look forward to seeing him on the PK.

Coaches around the league have shown the ability to get some offense going on PKs, which is a unique way to kill the penalty. Stu scored 3 short handed goals this year, i expect him to double that!
 
Golden_Jet said:
He took less, it wasn’t like he signed a one year deal, it was for 8 years, unless you thought he wouldn’t improve a lot.
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Well, yeah, that's how the early contracts work, you get paid a higher amount than your play currently dictates, to get infront of a huge increase. He had absolutely no means of asking for more money at the time of signing, he was still under contract for another year when he signed it and had yet to break 22 goals or 60 points.

Same way Hughes never took less to help the Devils when he only signed for 8 million. They just got him to agree to a huge term and money contract before his play was at that level.

It was a fantastic signing, beyond fantastic, not because Stutzle agreed to take less, because the Sens got him to agree to sign, for huge money and term, before his breakout season with a year remaining on his ELC.

Beech said:
slippery slope. We fought this battle two months ago.

leave it alone.
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No we didn't, you seem to be confused about what is being talked about and what you argued about, as they aren't the same whatsoever. You argued that you can't sign UFA's for more than the highest paid guys on your team because your homegrown players would get upset, and UFA's would need to be producing as much as Stutzle currently is to demand an 8.35 million dollar contract from the Sens

Has absolutely nothing to do with UFA vs RFA, or why it costs more to sign a guy as a UFA vs ELC. He signed as a guy with a career high of 22g 58p. They paid more to get him to sign, 8.35 was a very high amount, that he was glad to accept. He never took less money to help the team, he took a sure contrcat because it was for 65 million bucks before he broke out. The same way White took his huge contract and ended up being incredibly overpaid.
 
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BondraTime said:
He never took less, he signed early
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You know as well as anyone that he could have easily bet on himself and signed a bridge - a bridge that wouldn't even have started yet. So here we are with a young superstar, 90 point C at 21 signed for - let's say - 3 more years at 4 million or whatever. Then at the end of those years.....look the f*** out.

EDIT: even if he signed it before he hit 90, he still could easily have bet on himself. We could all see the potential. Colin White on the other hand....hit his ceiling and then flatlined and fell, I don't think there was much risk of Stutzle doing that.
 
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BondraTime said:
Well, yeah, that's how the early contracts work, you get paid a higher amount than your play currently dictates, to get infront of a huge increase. He had absolutely no means of asking for more money at the time of signing, he was still under contract for another year when he signed it and had yet to break 22 goals or 60 points.

Same way Hughes never took less to help the Devils when he only signed for 8 million. They just got him to agree to a huge term and money contract before his play was at that level.

It was a fantastic signing, beyond fantastic, not because Stutzle agreed to take less, because the Sens got him to agree to sign, for huge money and term, before his breakout season with a year remaining on his ELC.


No we didn't, you seem to be confused about what is being talked about and what you argued about, as they aren't the same whatsoever. You argued that you can't sign UFA's for more than the highest paid guys on your team because your homegrown players would get upset, and UFA's would need to be producing as much as Stutzle currently is to demand an 8.35 million dollar contract from the Sens

Has absolutely nothing to do with UFA vs RFA, or why it costs more to sign a guy as a UFA vs ELC. He signed as a guy with a career high of 22g 58p. They paid more to get him to sign, 8.35 was a very high amount, that he was glad to accept. He never took less money to help the team, he took a sure contrcat because it was for 65 million bucks before he broke out. The same way White took his huge contract and ended up being incredibly overpaid.
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Bondra,

slippery slope Dude, I am not in the mood today.

We can talk chicks and cars. We can talk, Vuelta A Espania, How to dispose of old insulin. How to soften compost based planting medium. Why I have a craving for chocolate ice-cream worse than a pregnant women.

But, we leave this alone.

Oh, if you can help with why two grape vines are showing zero signs of growing, and are practically bansai bushes, I would appreciate it. I have had to go to the abandoned rail tracks off of Falcon Ridge GC to harvest some leaves and get eaten alive by bugs. The large grape vine at Sprat park is now lace, thanks to June bugs... Pesky little bastards that demolish that vine and bushes in the immediate area, something awful.

Go Sens!
 
BondraTime said:
Well, yeah, that's how the early contracts work, you get paid a higher amount than your play currently dictates, to get infront of a huge increase. He had absolutely no means of asking for more money at the time of signing, he was still under contract for another year when he signed it and had yet to break 22 goals or 60 points.

Same way Hughes never took less to help the Devils when he only signed for 8 million. They just got him to agree to a huge term and money contract before his play was at that level.

It was a fantastic signing, beyond fantastic, not because Stutzle agreed to take less, because the Sens got him to agree to sign, for huge money and term, before his breakout season with a year remaining on his ELC.


No we didn't, you seem to be confused about what is being talked about and what you argued about, as they aren't the same whatsoever. You argued that you can't sign UFA's for more than the highest paid guys on your team because your homegrown players would get upset, and UFA's would need to be producing as much as Stutzle currently is to demand an 8.35 million dollar contract from the Sens

Has absolutely nothing to do with UFA vs RFA, or why it costs more to sign a guy as a UFA vs ELC. He signed as a guy with a career high of 22g 58p. They paid more to get him to sign, 8.35 was a very high amount, that he was glad to accept. He never took less money to help the team, he took a sure contrcat because it was for 65 million bucks before he broke out. The same way White took his huge contract and ended up being incredibly overpaid.
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That’s what teams do, try and predict the growth for the next 8 years, they don’t give you 8 years based on what you did in year 2 of ELC, they try and determine what player will be when he is 21-29 years of age, and agents also take into account that the cap will likely be 15-20 million higher minimum over that time, and that your also buying half the contract as UFA years.
 
SpezDispenser said:
You know as well as anyone that he could have easily bet on himself and signed a bridge - a bridge that wouldn't even have started yet. So here we are with a young superstar, 90 point C at 21 signed for - let's say - 3 more years at 4 million or whatever. Then at the end of those years.....look the f*** out.
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I highly doubt the Sens would have been offering a bridge deal a year before his ELC was over.
 
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Golden_Jet said:
He took less, it wasn’t like he signed a one year deal, it was for 8 years, unless you thought he wouldn’t improve a lot.
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Hughes just signed for 8 X 8 that set the market Stutzle signed for more. It is what it is, probably Dorions best move of his career to get out ahead of it. Something he actually executed with a calculated plan. Its rare that he does that type of thing but credit where credit it due.
 
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Golden_Jet said:
That’s what teams do, try and predict the growth for the next 8 years, they don’t give you 8 years based on what you did in year 2 of ELC, they try and determine what player will be when he is 21-29 years of age, and agents also take into account that the cap will likely be 15-20 million higher minimum over that time, and that your also buying half the contract as UFA years.
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Exactly…they paid him a much higher price than he was currently worth, an amount ownership and agent agreed was a fair representation of what he was worth in the future without having earned yet; guaranteed money in exchange for either the bargaining power of his 3rd season or injury/bad season. Worked out incredibly well for the Sens, and we should be extremely thankful for the contract.
 
BondraTime said:
I highly doubt the Sens would have been offering a bridge deal a year before his ELC was over.
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Probably not, but then we would have been really f***ed. Things could have gone a lot differently, but you really get the sense that he's close with guys like Tkachuk and they knew they could build something special in the 8 year timeline they were all signing for.

Or at least, that's how I choose to think things went down.
 
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Stutzle did the team a solid because of his personality.

He loves the game and the money is just a bonus. And I bet he considered the more team friendly his salary the better chance the team will be competetive and win.
 
Agent Zub said:
Stutzle did the team a solid because of his personality.

He loves the game and the money is just a bonus. And I bet he considered the more team friendly his salary the better chance the team will be competetive and win.
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He signed for more than Hughes a year after his deal who is considered a better player and prospect by the hockey world. That was the comparable I dont think it has anything to do with his personality and everything to do with the precedent that was set.

It was the biggest contract ever signed for a forward that never had a point total over 60 in their career on an ELC. He got paid a historical amount. It has certainly worked out for the sens as he exploded last year but lets not pretend this is something it isnt.

He is a great personality, extremely hard working and is probably going to be this teams franchise leader in points. He is also going to make between 150 and 200 million dollars in his career if he stays healthy.
 
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