OT: Thread About Nothing (TaN #...lost count)

[My3Sons]

...about this april wine show... seems like they're pulling the old use the name of the band even though the the only guy with some history is the guitar player who joined on the band's 7th album well after they were established

...the bass player and drummer are 'new' ....joined in 2011 and 2012....and they also have a new singer that was just added this year as miles goodwyn retired in march from touring.

oof!!! (i know @Bleedred loves this kind of shit)


oh well, still gonna ago and chow down, but this is a bit disappointing

I
As long as you enjoy the show that’s all that matters. The current incarnation of the band is all that exists.

 

[njdevils1982]

I
As long as you enjoy the show that’s all that matters. The current incarnation of the band is all that exists.

ya true, like i mentioned the kicker is that goodwyn retired 5 months ago and i've never seen him live...so close...

at this point it's a tribute/cover band to me...they should announce it as such...but i guess someone owns the name.

...see the guess who. name is owned by the bassist jim kale (retired) and according to wiki it says he allows the current members to use it.

which includes:
-original drummer garry peterson
-keyboard/woodwind/vocals someone (1990)
-lead singer/guitar/piano...derek sharp, plays guitar for sass jordan, his wife (2008)
-some guitarist (2121)
-and the bassist (2021)

on what planet is that the guess who?


..that's why "Bachman Cummings" is used when those eyes work and tour together.

didnt even know this existed until now...this i HAVE to hear.

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...but where does it end? is king crimson still king crimson?....they've had a million members (only robert fripp is the mainstay)....when CCR does their thing, they use "creedence clearwater revisited" (no john fogerty)......can stewart copeland go on tour as the police? ...after all, he started the band and wanted to get in on the punk scene

jefferson airplane didn't just take a name and run with it ...it went to jefferson starship...and eventually just starship who i call a 3 hit wonder ..we built this city, sara, and nothing's gonna stop us now...all classics

when the doors went on that 'reunion' tour in 2002 with ian asbury of the cult.... they were billed as "the doors of the 21st century" it may have been for legal reasons i dont know ...but nevertheless, it didnt try and mask the fact

queen and paul rogers (of free and bad company fame) ....queen and adam lambert.....never being advertised as just "queen"

now, santana is a band....yet, it's had a milllllion members play on the albums....but i'll bet anyone going to see a santana concert wont give two shits about the players in the band...its carlos they want to see.

or not....after this jersey gaffe!

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i know i'm missing a ton more

.edit: joe keithley still has DOA running....mickey desadist with the forgotten rebels also..... (seen both bands with whoever it was in the band backing them up were....both were good shows)

journey is another one


...f***ing menudo is a band...or at this point, a brand.

 

[Guadana]

how do you view the earlier hard rock/metal bands in comparison to the 1980s and later stuff? While Sabbath almost single handedly invented heavy metal as a music form, they clearly took a leap from what Cream, Hendrix, Steppenwolf, Deep Purple, the MC5 and maybe a few others were doing. I'd add Zeppelin but they were essentially a contemporary for Sabbath so I'm not sure you can put them in an influence category. Later groups took the Sabbath formula and some sped it up or some incorporated a little punk approach or just made it louder or had the vocals less singing and more growling. It's definitely an interesting part of rock history and not as covered as some genres because critics have never understood it. A few of my oldest son's buddies got me to listen a bit and to watch Avenged Sevenfold. Solid stuff. In that style of music Sabbath to me remains the benchmark. Also, do you put AC/DC in that category? Some days I do some I don't. On days I do they slot right behind Sabbath for me. I never got into Iron Maiden. I can hear the effort but like Hendrix I can respect them without having to listen too much. Similarly, Guns and Roses is sort of borderline, but they were tremendous before it went off the rails.

Uriah Heep made a ton of stuff that influenced a lot of metal in their early days. Their first album from 1970/71 is metallic. Queen made the "the first" thrash metal song Stone Cold Crazy. And you mentioned Avenged Sevenfold, they were inspired by Queen in many things(even if they dont understand it).


I love examples of Lybyrd Skynyrd because they are not so obvious, but first of all its a southern influences from the beginning and their music influenced more modern style metal, you can hear influence on Load from Metallica, and overall its a future of the groove metal. Its more about influence but overall riff structure is there.

Its fun that even Heart song Barracuda is actually a metal.

Wishbone Ash were the first band who used double guitars. (may be not the first the first but I dont remember early examples)
Way before Iron Maiden. Its 1972 on the street. And even before. They used playing in thirds, which automatically brings their sound to the metal field. (The metal field. Sounds metal)

 

[My3Sons]

Uriah Heep made a ton of stuff that influenced a lot of metal in their early days. Their first album from 1970/71 is metallic. Queen made the "the first" trash metal song Stone Cold Crazy. And you mentioned Avenged Sevenfold, they were inspired by Queen in many things(even if they dont understand it).


I love examples of Lybyrd Skynyrd because they are not so obvious, but first of all its a southern influences from the beginning and their music influenced more modern style metal, you can hear influence on Load from Metallica, and overall its a future of the groove metal. Its more about influence but overall riff structure is there.

Its fun that even Heart song Barracuda is actually a metal.

Wishbone Ash were the first band who used double guitars. (may be not the first the first but I dont remember early examples)
Way before Iron Maiden. Its 1972 on the street. And even before. They used playing in thirds, which automatically brings their sound to the metal field. (The metal field. Sounds metal)

Interesting points you raise. I’d say Stone Cold Crazy has some elements of a metal song as does Barracuda but I wouldn’t call either song heavy metal. It’s obviously an imprecise category and on some level who is playing the music impacts my opinion on whether it is actually heavy metal. No question most metal bands include influences from non metal artists. Is there any current artist who hasn’t been influneced by David Bowie even if they don’t realize it? He might be the most influential artist from the 1970s.

 

[Guadana]

Interesting points you raise. I’d say Stone Cold Crazy has some elements of a metal song as does Barracuda but I wouldn’t call either song heavy metal. It’s obviously an imprecise category and on some level who is playing the music impacts my opinion on whether it is actually heavy metal. No question most metal bands include influences from non metal artists. Is there any current artist who hasn’t been influneced by David Bowie even if they don’t realize it? He might be the most influential artist from the 1970s.

Barracuda is typical heavy metal rythm, Stone Cold Crazy is a thrash metal rhythm and riff. That’s more than influence of David Bowie on metal bands. It’s about structure. But Stone cold crazy is more interesting because it was way before thrash metal ”was born”. I believe Nazareth had some songs with typical heavy metal “tum-tugudum-tugudum” rhythm before Hearts.
That’s fun that pro metal ideas that was in SCC song by queen or in other songs or Sabbath heritage influenced more later metal styles that what was revealed in late 70th/early 80th. May be we should dig in different direction and study punk music, that used more straight rhythm section and more agressive sound. I never did it and punk music is a black hole for me. Everything I know I heard some punk music from 70th that really sounds like speed metal. I don’t remember name of bands.

 

[My3Sons]

Barracuda is typical heavy metal rythm, Stone Cold Crazy is a thrash metal rhythm and riff. That’s more than influence of David Bowie on metal bands. It’s about structure. But Stone cold crazy is more interesting because it was way before thrash metal ”was born”. I believe Nazareth had some songs with typical heavy metal “tum-tugudum-tugudum” rhythm before Hearts.
That’s fun that pro metal ideas that was in SCC song by queen or in other songs or Sabbath heritage influenced more later metal styles that what was revealed in late 70th/early 80th. May be we should dig in different direction and study punk music, that used more straight rhythm section and more agressive sound. I never did it and punk music is a black hole for me. Everything I know I heard some punk music from 70th that really sounds like speed metal. I don’t remember name of bands.

Punk is tough because it is a label too often applied to young bands that play a guitar a bass and drums with riff heavy simple songs. For example. I don’t think Green Day is really punk although some of their stuff has punk elements. They are bordering on surf pop to my ears. I could easily see them playing Wipeout or Surfing Bird. The Clash and the Pistols epitomize punk to me. There is definitely a subversive and borderline nihilistic political element that I think is an important element of genuine punk music. It’s why I don’t really see the Ramones as a true punk band even if they inspired it. Just my thoughts.

Edit: I realize Green Day are now old but I was listening to them in the 1990s when they were young and they were called a punk band but I didn’t agree with that label. Sort of like someone now saying Wet Leg is punk. I don’t really hear it but again it’s just my opinion and I’m not saying it’s a fact.

 

[Guadana]

Punk is tough because it is a label too often applied to young bands that play a guitar a bass and drums with riff heavy simple songs. For example. I don’t think Green Day is really punk although some of their stuff has punk elements. They are bordering on surf pop to my ears. I could easily see them playing Wipeout or Surfing Bird. The Clash and the Pistols epitomize punk to me. There is definitely a subversive and borderline nihilistic political element that I think is an important element of genuine punk music. It’s why I don’t really see the Ramones as a true punk band even if they inspired it. Just my thoughts.

Edit: I realize Green Day are now old but I was listening to them in the 1990s when they were young and they were called a punk band but I didn’t agree with that label. Sort of like someone now saying Wet Leg is punk. I don’t really hear it but again it’s just my opinion and I’m not saying it’s a fact.

You named all the bands I never listened specially. I know them, heard a couple of songs. The only band I listened were sum 41 and only because they translated to rock metal band and released pretty good pop rock metalish album Scream bloody murder(or something like that).
Punk music and me existed in parallel universe somehow. I didn’t have any internet until 2005 and there were no punk music on our tv, my father listened blues, brother listened heavy metal, I liked limp bizkit, linkin park and different pop metal stuff(everything I could have from tv), and when I got internet, I started from that to heavy metal direction.
And after one year of having an internet there were a strange day you can feel… strangely special. It was autumn warm day, I waited for someone on the street for a long time, that was a feeling that I’m going to lose my opportunity to study in university (my father was ill, University didn’t give me a place in the dorm, I lived in 4.5 hours from university and spender 9 hours per day for the road 5 days per week for two month). It was a last warm day, I could find any power to continue to live this way. And when I waited for someone(It was a friend with whom we should going to railway station), I walked up to the stand with music cds. My eyes fell on the King Crimson disc. It was a turning point in every sense.
There were no chances I could fall in interest in punk music after that.

 

[njdevils1982]

Punk is tough because it is a label too often applied to young bands that play a guitar a bass and drums with riff heavy simple songs. For example. I don’t think Green Day is really punk although some of their stuff has punk elements. They are bordering on surf pop to my ears. I could easily see them playing Wipeout or Surfing Bird. The Clash and the Pistols epitomize punk to me. There is definitely a subversive and borderline nihilistic political element that I think is an important element of genuine punk music. It’s why I don’t really see the Ramones as a true punk band even if they inspired it. Just my thoughts.

Edit: I realize Green Day are now old but I was listening to them in the 1990s when they were young and they were called a punk band but I didn’t agree with that label. Sort of like someone now saying Wet Leg is punk. I don’t really hear it but again it’s just my opinion and I’m not saying it’s a fact.

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The Minutemen's catalytic philosophy--that "punk is whatever we make it to be" -- is the greatest band philosophy of all time.

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[Bleedred]

Punk is tough because it is a label too often applied to young bands that play a guitar a bass and drums with riff heavy simple songs. For example. I don’t think Green Day is really punk although some of their stuff has punk elements. They are bordering on surf pop to my ears. I could easily see them playing Wipeout or Surfing Bird. The Clash and the Pistols epitomize punk to me. There is definitely a subversive and borderline nihilistic political element that I think is an important element of genuine punk music. It’s why I don’t really see the Ramones as a true punk band even if they inspired it. Just my thoughts.

Edit: I realize Green Day are now old but I was listening to them in the 1990s when they were young and they were called a punk band but I didn’t agree with that label. Sort of like someone now saying Wet Leg is punk. I don’t really hear it but again it’s just my opinion and I’m not saying it’s a fact.

I think Green Day sounded like a Punk band in the early to mid 90's. They started to go in a much different direction I would say in the late 90's with the time of your life song. They still had some songs that sounded similar to their earlier punk stuff, but they were kind of going in a different direction. They also didn't really sound to me like the radio ''Pop Punk'' bands that started getting big in the late 90's/early 00's that had a lot of numbers in their names or made what almost sounded like boy bands with instruments. I never thought post-95 era Green Day sounded much like that either.

But I will say this, when I've played American Punk music from the early to mid 90's for people who don't listen to it, they've often times told me ''Oh! This sounds like Green Day a little bit?'' because I think that's the closest comparable to that in which they know or have heard.

I'm not really a fan of Green Day, but I will say their first two major label albums sounded a lot like their pre-major label stuff, only with better production, due to bigger budget.

Earlier Green Day to me sounded a lot like the Northern California Punk bands of the late 80's/early 90's and they definitely had the surf thing going. They did sound a bit like some of the Southern California Punk bands of the time, but just a bit different.

There's actually a lot of similar bands to Green Day (like up till 1995 Green Day) out of Northern California that sounded similar, but just never made it big.

I wouldn't really say they sounded a lot like their Bay area contemporaries like say, Operation Ivy? Who were a few years older than them, but I can hear similarities for sure. I feel like Operation Ivy and later Rancid (who became much bigger and half the members were from Operation Ivy) sounded more like American versions of the early Clash and Sex Pistols than Green Day did.

Sometimes I wonder if the surfy thing by them was inspired by the Dead Kennedys, who were also a Bay area band, but were around about 12-15 years before Green Day.

 

[My3Sons]

You named all the bands I never listened specially. I know them, heard a couple of songs. The only band I listened were sum 41 and only because they translated to rock metal band and released pretty good pop rock metalish album Scream bloody murder(or something like that).
Punk music and me existed in parallel universe somehow. I didn’t have any internet until 2005 and there were no punk music on our tv, my father listened blues, brother listened heavy metal, I liked limp bizkit, linkin park and different pop metal stuff(everything I could have from tv), and when I got internet, I started from that to heavy metal direction.
And after one year of having an internet there were a strange day you can feel… strangely special. It was autumn warm day, I waited for someone on the street for a long time, that was a feeling that I’m going to lose my opportunity to study in university (my father was ill, University didn’t give me a place in the dorm, I lived in 4.5 hours from university and spender 9 hours per day for the road 5 days per week for two month). It was a last warm day, I could find any power to continue to live this way. And when I waited for someone(It was a friend with whom we should going to railway station), I walked up to the stand with music cds. My eyes fell on the King Crimson disc. It was a turning point in every sense.
There were no chances I could fall in interest in punk music after that.

I am still very glad I went to see King Crimson with Adrian Belew back in the late 80s.

 

[Guadana]

I am still very glad I went to see King Crimson with Adrian Belew back in the late 80s.

Don't provoke envy.

 

[My3Sons]

I think Green Day sounded like a Punk band in the early to mid 90's. They started to go in a much different direction I would say in the late 90's with the time of your life song. They still had some songs that sounded similar to their earlier punk stuff, but they were kind of going in a different direction. They also didn't really sound to me like the radio ''Pop Punk'' bands that started getting big in the late 90's/early 00's that had a lot of numbers in their names or made what almost sounded like boy bands with instruments. I never thought post-95 era Green Day sounded much like that either.

But I will say this, when I've played American Punk music from the early to mid 90's for people who don't listen to it, they've often times told me ''Oh! This sounds like Green Day a little bit?'' because I think that's the closest comparable to that in which they know or have heard.

I'm not really a fan of Green Day, but I will say their first two major label albums sounded a lot like their pre-major label stuff, only with better production, due to bigger budget.

Earlier Green Day to me sounded a lot like the Northern California Punk bands of the late 80's/early 90's and they definitely had the surf thing going. They did sound a bit like some of the Southern California Punk bands of the time, but just a bit different.

There's actually a lot of similar bands to Green Day (like up till 1995 Green Day) out of Northern California that sounded similar, but just never made it big.

I wouldn't really say they sounded a lot like their Bay area contemporaries like say, Operation Ivy? Who were a few years older than them, but I can hear similarities for sure. I feel like Operation Ivy and later Rancid (who became much bigger and half the members were from Operation Ivy) sounded more like American versions of the early Clash and Sex Pistols than Green Day did.

Sometimes I wonder if the surfy thing by them was inspired by the Dead Kennedys, who were also a Bay area band, but were around about 12-15 years before Green Day.

It gets murky. I would never have thought of the Cure or Psych Furs as punk even if I’ve heard people use that term. Same for groups like Viokent Femmes and Romeo Void. I get the labeling but it’s closer to a new wave sub genre to me. Dead Kennedys go back to almost the birth of punk and I’d put them in that category. Did any punk band stay in that genre if they lasted more than five years? The Clash certainly out grew it.

 

[My3Sons]

Don't provoke envy.

It looks like I saw them in 1984. I guess that was somehow me trying to makeup for never getting to see the Talking Heads.

 

[njdevils1982]

It looks like I saw them in 1984. I guess that was somehow me trying to makeup for never getting to see the Talking Heads.

the closest i got to seeing talking heads live was stop making sense on a big screen theatre

 

[Guadana]

It looks like I saw them in 1984. I guess that was somehow me trying to makeup for never getting to see the Talking Heads.

I would separate King Crimson from Talking heads. Or most other bands. Crimson is a rare musical phenomenon.

 

[My3Sons]

the closest i got to seeing talking heads live was stop making sense on a big screen theatre

My then girlfriend and I went to see it in the theatre. I remember being disappointed that I somehow missed seeing them during the whole movie. Of course I’ve since watched it multiple times and absolutely love it. It’s allegedly going to be released in theatres again and the group is appearing together in a Q&A session at the Toronto Film Festival. I’m hoping my youngest will go see it.

 

[njdevils1982]

My then girlfriend and I went to see it in the theatre. I remember being disappointed that I somehow missed seeing them during the whole movie. Of course I’ve since watched it multiple times and absolutely love it. It’s allegedly going to be released in theatres again and the group is appearing together in a Q&A session at the Toronto Film Festival. I’m hoping my youngest will go see it.

speaking of theatres....i'm hoping to catch this soon enough

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[Bleedred]

It gets murky. I would never have thought of the Cure or Psych Furs as punk even if I’ve heard people use that term. Same for groups like Viokent Femmes and Romeo Void. I get the labeling but it’s closer to a new wave sub genre to me. Dead Kennedys go back to almost the birth of punk and I’d put them in that category. Did any punk band stay in that genre if they lasted more than five years? The Clash certainly out grew it.

Honestly, the only Punk band from waayyyyyyy back that didn't change too much and are still around is probably Bad Religion.

Even though they usually have a song or two on much of their later era records that is cringy and makes me think of some of the modern era Offspring stuff.

But Bad Religion had their diversion out of Punk really early on and when the members were very young, only to circle back after a few years. They did a Prog album in 1983 (only 3 years into the band) and a couple of the members even left the band because they couldn't stand this change in direction, but then returned after they ditched the Prog thing after only about a year.

To this day, Epitaph hasn't even done a proper release of that album (Into the unknown), so that shows what Greg Graffin and Brett Gurewitz think of it, though the band has played a few songs (without the keyboards) off the album in recent years. So Graffin couldn't hate it too much. That was like Bad Religion's Sandinista, only it was a Prog album. I don't mean it sounded like Sandinista or was even as good as that. It was just a diversion, which the Clash started that diversion a little bit on London Calling. Bad Religion have retained much of their old sound. Not quite like when they first started (They're actually better) but they were teenagers then. But they sound not too much different than they did in 1994 and not tons diffrent from 1988, only with much better production on their records, due to the bigger budget, as well as the advancements in sound and recording.

The Dead Kennedys kind of went a little experimental at the end. There's some spaghetti western sounds during the end of their tenure.

You're right, most of the Punk bands grew out of it and either went more radio friendly or pop sounding or went a little in another direction, and in rare instances even started playing metal. Or they broke up too soon, like the Sex Pistols.

Now I know this just from knowing people that played in Punk bands, some of which were fairly popular bands in the Punk scene. They have said they got better at their instruments and wanted to start playing more challenging or advanced music. I think that's kind of what The Clash did. They were too good of musicians for Punk music, but they did kind of somewhat come back to it for Combat Rock, before diverging again on Cut The Crap, which was really just Joe Strummer and friends at that point.

 

[njdevils1982]

Honestly, the only Punk band from waayyyyyyy back that didn't change too much and are still around is probably Bad Religion.

Even though they usually have a song or two on much of their later era records that is cringy and makes me think of some of the modern era Offspring stuff.

But Bad Religion had their diversion out of Punk really early on and when the members were very young, only to circle back after a few years. They did a Prog album in 1983 (only 3 years into the band) and a couple of the members even left the band because they couldn't stand this change in direction, but then returned after they ditched the Prog thing after only about a year.

To this day, Epitaph hasn't even done a proper release of that album (Into the unknown), so that shows what Greg Graffin and Brett Gurewitz think of it, though the band has played a few songs (without the keyboards) off the album in recent years. So Graffin couldn't hate it too much. That was like Bad Religion's Sandinista, only it was a Prog album. I don't mean it sounded like Sandinista or was even as good as that. It was just a diversion, which the Clash started that diversion a little bit on London Calling. Bad Religion have retained much of their old sound. Not quite like when they first started (They're actually better) but they were teenagers then. But they sound not too much different than they did in 1994 and not tons diffrent from 1988, only with much better production on their records, due to the bigger budget, as well as the advancements in sound and recording.

The Dead Kennedys kind of went a little experimental at the end. There's some spaghetti western sounds during the end of their tenure.

You're right, most of the Punk bands grew out of it and either went more radio friendly or pop sounding or went a little in another direction, and in rare instances even started playing metal. Or they broke up too soon, like the Sex Pistols.

Now I know this just from knowing people that played in Punk bands, some of which were fairly popular bands in the Punk scene. They have said they got better at their instruments and wanted to start playing more challenging or advanced music. I think that's kind of what The Clash did. They were too good of musicians for Punk music, but they did kind of somewhat come back to it for Combat Rock, before diverging again on Cut The Crap, which was really just Joe Strummer and friends at that point.

ok, time to throw on suffer album and get some more painting done.......by the time i get going the album will be over (under 26 min)

 

[Bleedred]

ok, time to throw on suffer album and get some more painting done.......by the time i get going the album will be over (under 26 min)

Throw on No Control right after it and that’ll fill in another approximately 26 minutes. It’s about the same length, give or take a minute.

I actually like the album No Control a little more than Suffer, but No Control has worse production for some reason and sounds older than Suffer.

They were both recorded at the same studio roughly a year apart. They’re both the same producer (the band is credited as producer, but I’m sure it’s more Brett than anybody else) and I’m sure they had a bigger budget to work with on No Control, considering Suffer blew up and wound up selling like several thousand copies in a year (which was a lot for a band of that magnitude at the time), but for some reason Suffer sounds way cleaner and more polished. Not sure if the mixing process was the difference or not.

A lot of people don’t like the song Sanity on No Control. I’m not sure why. Probably because it’s a very slow tempo song compared to every other song on both those albums. I always liked it.

 

[njdevils1982]

Throw on No Control right after it and that’ll fill in another approximately 26 minutes. It’s about the same length, give or take a minute.

I actually like the album No Control a little more than Suffer, but No Control has worse production for some reason and sounds older than Suffer.

They were both recorded at the same studio roughly a year apart. They’re both the same producer (the band is credited as producer, but I’m sure it’s more Brett than anybody else) and I’m sure they had a bigger budget to work with on No Control, considering Suffer blew up and wound up selling like several thousand copies in a year (which was a lot for a band of that magnitude at the time), but for some reason Suffer sounds way cleaner and more polished. Not sure if the mixing process was the difference or not.

A lot of people don’t like the song Sanity on No Control. I’m not sure why. Probably because it’s a very slow tempo song compared to every other song on both those albums. I always liked it.

doing it.

 

[njdevils1982]

But Bad Religion had their diversion out of Punk really early on and when the members were very young, only to circle back after a few years. They did a Prog album in 1983 (only 3 years into the band) and a couple of the members even left the band because they couldn't stand this change in direction, but then returned after they ditched the Prog thing after only about a year.

found it on youtube...holy shit, wow

how have i never heard this album before ...i hear a bunch of devo in the sound along with (as you mentioned) prog rock...song the dichotomy is the riff from pigs(three different ones) off floyd's animals....also the harmonies are very floyd.....the album ending reminds me of the chorus of the kink's song destroyer...and the album cover cou,d be mistaken for a band like boston if there was no band name and title.........man, this was trip

never in million years i would have guessed this was bad religion album

...and it's surprisingly good

 

[My3Sons]

speaking of theatres....i'm hoping to catch this soon enough

Home - Syd Barrett Film doesn't look like is showing near you though

Toronto
19th, 25th, 28th, 29th & 31st August
3rd & 7th September

I had read about that and I am disappointed I’ll have to wait for it to stream. If you ever want to hear what Barrett would have done if he was not disturbed listen to See Emily Play off Bowie’s PinUps album.

 

[Bleedred]

found it on youtube...holy shit, wow

how have i never heard this album before ...i hear a bunch of devo in the sound along with (as you mentioned) prog rock...song the dichotomy is the riff from pigs(three different ones) off floyd's animals....also the harmonies are very floyd.....the album ending reminds me of the chorus of the kink's song destroyer...and the album cover cou,d be mistaken for a band like boston if there was no band name and title.........man, this was trip

never in million years i would have guessed this was bad religion album

...and it's surprisingly good

The Dichotomy to me sounds like some of the music in Rocky 2 and maybe Rocky 3. That siren sounding part that leads into the synthesizer solos.

They actually started playing this live a few years ago and it actually made me like the original studio version more. I'm sure there's a live version on youtube somewhere.

It had a sweet guitar solo live as well, whereas the studio version has synthesizer solos, which I believe were played by Greg Graffin himself. Brian Baker is a way better guitar player than any of their members were in the 80's or probably ever.

I don't love it too much, but Into the Unknown is the perfect name for this album, as that title just makes me imagine something really weird and trippy and just very out there, which this album is very much all of those things.

I'm pretty sure this album is only Greg Graffin on vocals and keyboards, and Brett Gurewitz on guitar, with a bass player and drummer that were only around for this album. I think the story was that both Jay Bentley and Pete Finestone quit the band because they weren't into this type of music. Approximately a year or so later they went back to their original sound (that's why the named the follow up EP Back to the Known) and Jay and Pete came back, but I think Brett stopped playing with them for a little then because he was so f***ed up on crack, and that's when they brought Greg Hetson in. Brett eventually came back after he got clean in 87, right before they recorded Suffer and that was the beginning of them having two guitarists. Of course Brett left in 94 to run Epitaph full time before returning (mostly only in-studio) in 2001.

I don't know much at all about guitars and definitely can't play them, but I've found that I can pretty much differentiate almost every guitarist and who is playing what, between Gurewitz, Hetson and Baker. Hetson hardly plays any solos after Brett left and Baker joined the band (they seemed to be a 50/50 split between Brett and Hetson before that) and from a lot of accounts had very little in-studio input at all on the last several albums before he was kicked out of the band in 2013.

 

[njdevils1982]

I had read about that and I am disappointed I’ll have to wait for it to stream. If you ever want to hear what Barrett would have done if he was not disturbed listen to See Emily Play off Bowie’s PinUps album.

ya, i've mentioned before i have the LP