I don't get why people didn't like it. When asked everyone just kind of says something vague.
Though I was rooting for Bale's character. He kind of had a point.
Though I was rooting for Bale's character. He kind of had a point.
Movies: Thor: Love and Thunder - July 8th, 2022
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Finally got around to watching it. I give it a solid meh/10. Definitely a disappointment for me after Ragnarok, which is probably one of my favourite Marvel movies, if not my favourite.
Well I think it's more than a little subjective, but I would say the pacing was a bit off(Guardians and Jane getting the powers in particular felt very rushed), the dialogue was sort of all over the place (felt a little ad-libbed...probably fun to film but chaotic to watch), and the jokes for the most part really didn't land and/or really overstayed their welcome (goats, anyone?).
I think Ragnarok, which is very much in the same vein, had a good mix of humour and emotion and the two let each other breathe to the point where they juxtaposition was amusing, but never intrusive. In this movie, I think it felt very intrusive and awkward.
I like the idea, but the execution needed work IMO.
Bale's character was definitely the highlight.
Well I think it's more than a little subjective, but I would say the pacing was a bit off(Guardians and Jane getting the powers in particular felt very rushed), the dialogue was sort of all over the place (felt a little ad-libbed...probably fun to film but chaotic to watch), and the jokes for the most part really didn't land and/or really overstayed their welcome (goats, anyone?).
I think Ragnarok, which is very much in the same vein, had a good mix of humour and emotion and the two let each other breathe to the point where they juxtaposition was amusing, but never intrusive. In this movie, I think it felt very intrusive and awkward.
I like the idea, but the execution needed work IMO.
Bale's character was definitely the highlight.
I saw this movie back at the end of July and I stand by my comments. Those twitter posts are laughably inaccurate!Those twitter posts are laughably over the top in their praise!
I wonder how much they got paid? Or if they have some connection to the studio/director?
It's mature!
Bursting with so much heart, emotion and sincerity.
One of the best and favorite MCU movies.
Taika's writing is the real star...well, yeah I guess it is, but that isn't the compliment you think it is!
Beautifully blends humor and heart in the right places and Gorr as possibly the best MCU villain and the film packs an emotional wallop in the climax...yeah OK
The romance between Jane and Thor was so relatable and real!
The movie perfectly blends humor and heart
Who are these twitter shills? Wanna-be Marvel/Disney PR reps?!
This movie is down there with Thor 2 as the worst of the bunch. It was plagued by some poor, lazy writing - ie. Just one example that comes to mind - Gorr finds his God in the oasis and he just happens to be standing next to the dead person with the god-killing weapon at that very moment. How convenient!
It's most certainly not mature, at least most of it isn't and it does not beautifully blend humor and heart in the right places. The problem with the man-child Taika Waititi which is most apparent in this movie is that he refuses to allow the audience to ruminate over those few serious moments in the movie. No, we can't have that. We have to move on to next (often unfunny) comical moment that falls flat with much of the audience.
There was nothing relatable about Jane and Thor's romance because Taika was too busy attempting to segue to the next funny moment. His running gag with the goats is more annoying than it is amusing as are several of the lighter moments of the movie.
Gorr was criminally underutilized in the movie and was really not that memorable. Just another in a line of mostly forgettable villains in the MCU Universe.
Retconning in the Gods and having Thor dispatch with them in short order is another example of uninspired and lazy writing. This is one of the many problems with MCU Universe though as it expands and becomes more unwieldly as we are introduced to these all-powerful beings that have been there all along. I'm looking at you Eternals! Where were all these Gods when Thanos was killing half the universe and were half those gods killed when he snapped his fingers?
Waititi's brand of humor would be more appropriate for a Lego movie or a Deadpool movie. He really fails at blending humor and drama. Granted this has been a problem with quite a few Marvel movies but it's most evident with Taika. In the end it comes off as self-indulgent especially with the saturation of GNR music throughout the movie cuz you know taika loves them.
5/10
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Honest Trailers joked that Bale was doing his own, better movie, and I think they were spot on.
I felt like I was watching a corny SNL skit, not a Marvel film. It was dopey. They walked right up to the line with the humor in Ragnarok (which I didn’t love but it worked) but here they just trampled all over that line.
MMC
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I don't think it's that vague, it's tonally inconsistent, filled with humor that either lands flat or just gets annoying because it ruins the seriousness of a scene, villain got a laughably low amount of screen time, and just all around terribly written. Taika Waititi laughed in March about how the film was unfinished, and you can really see that here.
Jussi
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I thought it was the second best Thor movie but it sort of highlights how Taika Waititi, much like James Gunn, sometimes needs someone to reign him in. He had all the power to do what he wants with this one and it shows.
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Hivemind
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While I agree it was the "second best Thor movie," that isn't really saying anything. That means it can be anywhere between garbage and terrific (considering the first two Thors are garbage and Ragnarok is outstanding).
Jussi
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No, first Thor is good, second was decent. Love & Thunder was slightly worse than Ragnarok, but still good. Taika's sense of humor is the type that tries to find humor even in sad times. It was like that in his best movie, Jojo Rabbit and it was in this. My late mother would've liked this movie, even if I don't think she watched them much. Her side of the family is the kind that sees humor where/when most people don't expect. When she entered the hospice period (intestinal cancer second time in a year), my cousin, who took vacation days to keep company for her favorite aunt at the hospital in Turku, asked if she was getting on her nerves already and my mom replied, "it's getting close...".
Found the first one to be a very good introduction to the character, the second was underwhelming, the third was the best and this one was the second best to me.
The need to pull in the Guardians was not needed IMO, especially since, at least I, was expecting them to be in it a lot more given how it was kind of talked up etc. In the end though I liked this movie and where it furthers the cosmic side of the MCU with seeing the "gods" and Hercules and the character Love.
The Guardians were utterly wasted in Thor. Yet another deserved criticism of Taika. They were just some generic characters plopped into this movie who were not even given a chance to show their true personalities. It was a just a bait-and-switch and given what we know now, they shouldn't have even bothered to have them in the movie.
RandV
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If I think deeper about what didn't work, I think you have to start with what actually happened in this movie? Ignoring the opening GotG bit I count 5 general plot points:
- Gorr becomes the god slayer, starts killing gods.
- Gorr attacks New Asgard, kidnaps the children
- Thor & crew go to god city/Zeus to try and recruit an army and more or less fail but get Zeus' lightning bolt so...
- they go after Gorr by themselves, have a fight from which Gorr tactically retreats having achieved his objective.
- then they have one finally throw down at the end-McGuffin.
That seems kind of... simple and boring. But then underlying all that, the Jane Romantic angle is back and she now has Thor powers but this actually happened because she's... dying of cancer? The brain of the movie and the heart seem kind of disjointed here.
Perhaps a big issue here is in a victim of the MCU's longevity Jane Foster is kind of forgotten at this point. Comic book fans will know her but for everyone else she's kind of forgotten at this point as she was only in the first two Thor movies which were kind of forgetably themselves and the last time we would have seen this character checking IMDB was 2013. Probably the only reason people would recognize her is because the role is played by Natalie Portman. Like the Steve Rogers/Agent Carter relationship was well established through the MCU from the opening Captain America right through to End Game. For an emotional response that's completely lacking here as they essentially erased Jane Foster from the picture for just shy of a decade.
- Gorr becomes the god slayer, starts killing gods.
- Gorr attacks New Asgard, kidnaps the children
- Thor & crew go to god city/Zeus to try and recruit an army and more or less fail but get Zeus' lightning bolt so...
- they go after Gorr by themselves, have a fight from which Gorr tactically retreats having achieved his objective.
- then they have one finally throw down at the end-McGuffin.
That seems kind of... simple and boring. But then underlying all that, the Jane Romantic angle is back and she now has Thor powers but this actually happened because she's... dying of cancer? The brain of the movie and the heart seem kind of disjointed here.
Perhaps a big issue here is in a victim of the MCU's longevity Jane Foster is kind of forgotten at this point. Comic book fans will know her but for everyone else she's kind of forgotten at this point as she was only in the first two Thor movies which were kind of forgetably themselves and the last time we would have seen this character checking IMDB was 2013. Probably the only reason people would recognize her is because the role is played by Natalie Portman. Like the Steve Rogers/Agent Carter relationship was well established through the MCU from the opening Captain America right through to End Game. For an emotional response that's completely lacking here as they essentially erased Jane Foster from the picture for just shy of a decade.
Jussi
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It's from the comic book story. Thor sort of put a spell on Mjölnir, while drunk, that made it protect Jane. When Jane visited New Asgard, the spell activated and Mjölnir reformed to protect Jane by giving her Thor powers.
I wonder if this was his idea or if Marvel wanted him to include them in the story so he did for as little as possible.
I don't remember if you if are a fan/reader of the comics, but the whole Jane has cancer part is taken directly from the comics and I think it was fine in the movie.
As for her in the MCU, yes there was a falling out between Portman and Marvel due to Patty Jenkins leaving as director of the Dark World which irked Portman.. But she was not totally forgotten in the stories and was brought up a number of times including in Age of Ultron, Ragnarok and she gets some screen time in Endgame they used old B roll from one of the 2 first Thor movies if I recall and she even recorded new lines for the Russo brothers to use. She was also mentioned in an episode of Agents of SHIELD. So ya given the situation of not having her available to play Jane, I think they did what they could to keep her in the story during that time.
What a disappointment this movie was for me. The Gorr the god butcher story is one of the best Thor comic runs ever and Bale's performance as Gorr was absolutely wasted cause he was barely on and butchered like 1 god on screen.
They rushed way too fast into Jane turning into Thor and more so rushed her internal struggle of wanting to do good as Thor vs trying to stay as a human beating cancer when she knew she could leave and help others. For most of that comic run she hid the fact from Thor that she was the female Thor.
So many stupid, unfunny jokes and gags. Korg, dumpling god, the damn goats screaming every single damn time they were on the screen, fat Zeus, nonstop goofy lines from everyone that wasn't Gorr.
This whole movie seemed like a parody of a superhero movie more than anything else.
They rushed way too fast into Jane turning into Thor and more so rushed her internal struggle of wanting to do good as Thor vs trying to stay as a human beating cancer when she knew she could leave and help others. For most of that comic run she hid the fact from Thor that she was the female Thor.
So many stupid, unfunny jokes and gags. Korg, dumpling god, the damn goats screaming every single damn time they were on the screen, fat Zeus, nonstop goofy lines from everyone that wasn't Gorr.
This whole movie seemed like a parody of a superhero movie more than anything else.
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Everything felt rushed and out of place. Gorr kills "his God" then you don't hear anything until the GOTG get a million alerts of him killing Gods. So there wasn't much of a build up. Similarly to Jane.
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Jussi
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The last time we saw Thor, he was with the Asguardians Of The Galaxy so it made sense to see him with them in the beginning.
Ohh I get that what I mean is that I am not sure how much he actually wanted them to be in the movie given how little he used them.
Indeed having more Gorr screen time would have been nice, seeing him with the necro sword killing a few more gods not just the remains though that did lead us to seeing Jamie Alexander as Lady Sif again!
BertCorbeau
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For those that want more Gorr and god butchering looks like there were a lot of scenes that were shot but left on the cutting room floor, confirmed by Bale himself. There is a push now for a longer director's cut of the movie so we can see those and some other cut scenes.
Edit: Seems Tika is not a big fan of director's cuts he thinks a lot of them end up being no better than the original so who knows if this could happen without him lol
Edit: Seems Tika is not a big fan of director's cuts he thinks a lot of them end up being no better than the original so who knows if this could happen without him lol
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I've been wanting to summarize my thoughts for, must be weeks now but I seriously can't do it properly without a massive word salad..
Best I can condense it to is this feels like such a bizarre movie. The emotional themes and backdrop are really strong on paper and a lot of comedy attempts could have worked if the script wasn't a quip/joke machine gun. And I know Taika Waititi isn't some god among directors but he's done a good job injecting fresh ideas in tone into the mainstream, and I still think he had it in him to make something better.
Hemsworth is still great as Thor but the character is written so that he's not sure who he is and what he wants, so you'd expect a hard to read, perhaps inconsistent character in such a situation. And Hemsworth seems to do the best he can with that but it feels too wildly inconsistent for so much of the movie. He comes and talks to the kids and exudes confidence but you also can't tell if he's scared or trying to overcome helplessness, and then when he talks about the kids' situation to the rest of the crew it bounces between "we have to get the kids at any cost" but also seems to have no urgency in anything he does. And the big payoff of letting love back into his life is just so awkward. In one breath he's telling Jane to be brave about her cancer but won't let her sacrifice herself to help because he doesn't want to let go. I don't know there's so much more about the messy way Thor was written but that was the shortest I could come up with.
Using the Guardians the way they did especially bothered me. They were present for all of ten minutes and they felt like they were directed by someone who's never seen GOTG 1 and 2 or the last two Avengers movies. Which is especially bizarre because if I had to name one director who could replace Gunn to direct those guys it ordinarily would have been Taika Waititi.
Then there's just so many stupid writing decisions and the Zeus stuff was so much worse than it could have been.
Like I'd still rewatch this movie over Thor 1 and 2 but it's such a heavy dip in quality that I can really only interpret it as Waititi putting too much on his plate and not being as creatively focused as he was directing Ragnarok.
Also f*** the screaming goats. Far and away the dumbest and most poorly implemented running gag I've ever seen in a film. It was barely amusing the first time and it just kept happening.
Best I can condense it to is this feels like such a bizarre movie. The emotional themes and backdrop are really strong on paper and a lot of comedy attempts could have worked if the script wasn't a quip/joke machine gun. And I know Taika Waititi isn't some god among directors but he's done a good job injecting fresh ideas in tone into the mainstream, and I still think he had it in him to make something better.
Hemsworth is still great as Thor but the character is written so that he's not sure who he is and what he wants, so you'd expect a hard to read, perhaps inconsistent character in such a situation. And Hemsworth seems to do the best he can with that but it feels too wildly inconsistent for so much of the movie. He comes and talks to the kids and exudes confidence but you also can't tell if he's scared or trying to overcome helplessness, and then when he talks about the kids' situation to the rest of the crew it bounces between "we have to get the kids at any cost" but also seems to have no urgency in anything he does. And the big payoff of letting love back into his life is just so awkward. In one breath he's telling Jane to be brave about her cancer but won't let her sacrifice herself to help because he doesn't want to let go. I don't know there's so much more about the messy way Thor was written but that was the shortest I could come up with.
Using the Guardians the way they did especially bothered me. They were present for all of ten minutes and they felt like they were directed by someone who's never seen GOTG 1 and 2 or the last two Avengers movies. Which is especially bizarre because if I had to name one director who could replace Gunn to direct those guys it ordinarily would have been Taika Waititi.
Then there's just so many stupid writing decisions and the Zeus stuff was so much worse than it could have been.
Like I'd still rewatch this movie over Thor 1 and 2 but it's such a heavy dip in quality that I can really only interpret it as Waititi putting too much on his plate and not being as creatively focused as he was directing Ragnarok.
Also f*** the screaming goats. Far and away the dumbest and most poorly implemented running gag I've ever seen in a film. It was barely amusing the first time and it just kept happening.
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