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Value of: Thomas Chabot to MTL

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danielpalfredsson said:
Ottawa apparently wasn't willing to move Chabot as the central piece for Drouin, that tells you something. With that in mind we're talking from a point of realism, none of your proposals are anything close to getting it done.

Teams don't just give up near NHL ready 19 year old defenders. There's like no reason to do that....unless you're getting Scott Gomez back....(sorry I had to)

But seriously, teams don't give those types of players up. It makes zero sense for Ottawa to trade him for another forward prospect. Ottawa especially won't give him up because there is a significant chance they could lose Methot in the expansion draft. Assuming Chabot develops as he projects, the Sens badly need to keep him.
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lol, Chabot wasnt anywhere close to being the main piece.
 
De Montreal said:
Well that didnt take long before some Sens fans got angry other teams fans are interested in their prospect
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What would it take for Ottawa to get Sergachev? Lazar and another piece?

It is counter productive to make proposals that make zero sense. Everybody knows how valuable good young defenders are. Especially ones who could potentially make the NHL at 19. With the upcoming expansion draft and Ottawa only able to protect 3 of their top 4 defenders, it just makes this kind of proposal absurdly unrealistic.
 
Sens of Anarchy said:
I see so if Bobby Orr played in the Q, Sergachev would be better because he won an award in the O...

Makes perfect sense
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It's an issue of how they dominated their respective leagues . Sergachev dominated at a higher level in a better league. Now if Chabot played at a significantly higher level than the pack in the Q, it would give me pause, but he didn't. Orr would have.

That said, Chabot is a hell of a prospect. Hopefully he works out well for you guys.
 
Unbiasedd said:
That was Tampa's reported ask. So he might have been. I dont remember seeing anywhere that they wanted McCarron for him.
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Enough with this foolishness, obviously the habs would take Chabot over Mccarron. No habs fan thinks Mccarron is Lindros.
 
TT1 said:
Thats nice for Pronman, 20 OHL coaches have Sergachev as the best dman in the league (at 60%, 2nd place has 15%) and he's tied for 2nd as the best overall player.. who's opinion carries more weight? A single internet scout or 20 OHL coaches who actually watch all these players play at ice level?

Sergachev for Chabot is an easy no for us.. and as a Sens fan Chabot for McCarron+ or Juulsen+ is also an easy no. Don't think theres a deal to be made.



McCarron + Scherbak for Chabot, easy yes.
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Wait, so Chabot was an option in the OHL coaches poll? Didn't know cross league voting was allowed. That poll has no barring on this situation, since Chabot couldn't be voted for in that. Multiple scouting sources thought Juolevi was a better option than Sergachev, and that contradicts the coaches poll, and the actual draft.
 
Unbiasedd said:
No, no he would not. 15' draft was much more deeper than 16'. Guys like Conner,Barzal,Chabot, would have pushed players out of the top 10 in 16'. Keep clinging to any hope you Habs fans have with McCarron, the guy is nothing but size. His ceiling is a 3rd liner. But keep expecting Lindros or whatever you hope from him.
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lol we dont expect him to be anything more than a third liner or a spark plug on the second line. But he will be more effective as a third liner than Chabot as a second pairing Dman
 
93LEAFS said:
Wait, so Chabot was an option in the OHL coaches poll? Didn't know cross league voting was allowed. That poll has no barring on this situation, since Chabot couldn't be voted for in that. Multiple scouting sources thought Juolevi was a better option than Sergachev, and that contradicts the coaches poll, and the actual draft.
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No but it speaks to Sergachev's value, he was drafted 9th OA and has impressed thus far (training camp and his 1 preseason game). In fact, Chabot is the player that's been disappointing in the preseason games, obviously I'm still a big fan of him and would love to trade for him but there's no chance i'd move Sergachev for him.. and this is coming from a fan of both teams.
 
Unbiasedd said:
No its not. Just because Sergachev was drafted higher doesnt mean he is a much better player. Chabot, Connor, Barzal wouldve gone before Sergachev if they were in this past draft. Sergachev + for Chabot is a whole lot more even on both sides than McCarron for Chabot.
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Let's agree to disagree. IMO Sergachev, Connor, Barzal and Chabot would be the order.

You're comparing a guy on his 2nd year in the league and that should know both language (I can't testify of Chabot knowledge of Englidh) versus a guy that came in a new country with a language he didn't speak on a smaller ice surface (I think, not 100% sure, MHL rink are European-sized) and yet Sergachev won the D of the year while Chabot did not, losing twice to Jan Kostalek and Samuel Girard respectively.

Before you go into the better points rhetoric, both Dineen and Andersson beat him on the points and ppg side.

No 1st year european has ever won the Max Kaminsky Trophy. Semenov and Sekera won it their 2nd year and that is it for euros. Sergachev winning as a 1st year D is an hallmark in itself, but winning it as 1st year euro is unheard of in the 46 years of the award.

This year Sergachev was both rookie team all-star and first team all-star while Chabot was stuck in second all-star team behind undrafted Philippe Myers and '16 2nd rounder Samuel Girard.

EDIT: To sum it up on topic, Sergachev in itself can easily have more value than Chabot, so adding a + is definitely out of the question.
 
Treb said:
Let's agree to disagree. IMO Sergachev, Connor, Barzal and Chabot would be the order.

You're comparing a guy on his 2nd year in the league and that should know both language (I can't testify of Chabot knowledge of Englidh) versus a guy that came in a new country with a language he didn't speak on a smaller ice surface (I think, not 100% sure, MHL rink are European-sized) and yet Sergachev won the D of the year while Chabot did not, losing twice to Jan Kostalek and Samuel Girard respectively.

Before you go into the better points rhetoric, both Dineen and Andersson beat him on the points and ppg side.

No 1st year european has ever won the Max Kaminsky Trophy. Semenov and Sekera won it their 2nd year and that is it for euros. Sergachev winning as a 1st year D is an hallmark in itself, but winning it as 1st year euro is unheard of in the 46 years of the award.

This year Sergachev was both rookie team all-star and first team all-star while Chabot was stuck in second all-star team behind undrafted Philippe Myers and '16 2nd rounder Samuel Girard.
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You take it for granted that Chabot is a better prospect Zobril, DeBrusk, Senyshyn, Crouse and Gurianov.
Btw with the relative weak draft season Brazal had, no way he would have gone top 10 in any draft.
 
Legend123 said:
You take it for granted that Chabot is a better prospect Zobril, DeBrusk, Senyshyn, Crouse and Gurianov.
Btw with the relative weak draft season Brazal had, no way he would have gone top 10 in any draft.
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Not talking about other prospect than Sergachev, Connor, Barzal and Chabot, there could be an indefinite number of prospect between them. The main point is Sergachev is better than Chabot and thus it would be Sergachev for Chabot+, not the reverse.
 
Legend123 said:
Humorous
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It's obvious that you are a massive Habs fan and drastically undervalue Sens players. I mean...McCarron...really?

You want our best defense prospect, we want something good, not a MCCarron. :laugh:


Besides, we're not selling the kid.
 
Legend123 said:
Cuz u try to make it look chabot is worth anywhere close to Sergechev who has #1 D all over him.
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Take off the homer glasses. Chabot and Sergachev are close in value, I wouldn't argue if you said that Sergachev was worth more. But the way you're making it out to be is just asinine. They're both blue chip defensive prospects, in the same stratosphere. It's not like we're comparing Hammond to Price here.
 
Legend123 said:
Cuz u try to make it look chabot is worth anywhere close to Sergechev who has #1 D all over him.
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I believe people conceded that Sergachev is the better prospect- but not to the extent that we'd make a deal within the division.

"Massive overpayment" not clear enough for you?
 
Nac Mac Feegle said:
It's obvious that you are a massive Habs fan and drastically undervalue Sens players. I mean...McCarron...really?

You want our best defense prospect, we want something good, not a MCCarron. :laugh:


Besides, we're not selling the kid.
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'A MCCarron' is a pretty good player. Better than Chabot, get real sens fan. Im not just a habs fan. Im also a caps and Jackets fan and I know Chabot wouldnt be worth much in all 3 of those teams.
 
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