Player Discussion Thomas Chabot (D) Part 2

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Took half a decade. It should have been the easiest thing to complete. It was an extremely evident need, and fix.

“You’ve got all the assets in the world, from 2019-2024. Find a RD, not a star, who can play 19-20 minutes a night who can compliment your star D’s game”

How, HOW can you not succeed in finding a guy for that long. It’s absolutely insane.

Actually, Dorion lucked out and found one by mistake in Dylan DeMelo, who was a throw in in Karlsson's return... but he thought it was smarter to trade him for a 3rd round pick than give him 4 years x 3.0 AAV. The same guy who traded FOR Nikita Zaitsev and his 4.5 AAV x 5 years

Keep in mind that DeMelo wasn't even still peaking in Ottawa so there was more progression left to reach. That pairing would have been awesome

Imagine that defense :

Sanderson - Zub
Chabot - DeMelo
Kleven - Jensen
JBD

Jensen moves up when Zub is injured
 
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Micklebot

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.. but he thought it was smarter to trade him for a 3rd round pick than give him 4 years x 3.0 AAV.
4yrs x 3 likely wasn't on the table given we traded him 1 month before the market got flipped upside down by Covid. Lots of UFA took haircuts that offseason,

I still would have looked to extend him, but I don't think it's being very honest to say we could have extended him to the same deal he eventually got under very different market conditions.
 
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4yrs x 3 likely wasn't on the table given we traded him 1 month before the market got flipped upside down by Covid. Lots of UFA took haircuts that offseason,

I still would have looked to extend him, but I don't think it's being very honest to say we could have extended him to the same deal he eventually got under very different market conditions.

Frankly I don't remember but I thought this was the ballpark of the contract he was looking for
 

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Took half a decade. It should have been the easiest thing to complete. It was an extremely evident need, and fix.

“You’ve got all the assets in the world, from 2019-2024. Find a RD, not a star, who can play 19-20 minutes a night who can compliment your star D’s game”

How, HOW can you not succeed in finding a guy for that long. It’s absolutely insane.
Well, they did also go almost Karlsson's entire 9 year tenure with a gaping hole in the top 4 they were only ever able to salvage briefly with great future cap consequences with Phaneuf. Maybe that was more about money, but nothing new really.
 
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Chabot criticism has become much more muted lately after a lot of talk of trading him over the summer. Tkachuk critics are probably going to be a little more quiet now too, at least for a bit. LOL.
Chabot has been considerably, obviously better and has shut his loudest critics up with his play.

Brady sets up a goal and scores the ot winner so he gets some reprieve his D game is improving but the fundamentals are still a work in progress. I hope he gets there.
 

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Another strong game by Chabot,
It's no surprise. Jensen has been fantastic so far and they now have some chemistry developed. People don't understand how important having a good partner is for a defenseman. Look at Hughes going from a star dman to a Norris winner once he started playing with Hronek. Jensen is a very smart defenseman who can skate as good as any other player out there, he's been an excellent partner for Chabot and it's exactly what he needed.
 

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Frankly I don't remember but I thought this was the ballpark of the contract he was looking for
deMelo was pretty polarizing, before we traded him some people were contemplating as high as 5 a year while others were calling him a bottom pair guy, but word was his ask was outrageous (probably depends on perspective) which is why we never made an offer at all. Highly unlikely that 3 per was in the table
 

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deMelo was pretty polarizing, before we traded him some people were contemplating as high as 5 a year while others were calling him a bottom pair guy, but word was his ask was outrageous (probably depends on perspective) which is why we never made an offer at all. Highly unlikely that 3 per was in the table

Pretty sure he talked about it after in an interview or something and implied that it wasn't anything appreciably different from his Winnipeg contract. Can't remember where I saw/heard that. Long time ago.
 
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Micklebot

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It's no surprise. Jensen has been fantastic so far and they now have some chemistry developed. People don't understand how important having a good partner is for a defenseman. Look at Hughes going from a star dman to a Norris winner once he started playing with Hronek. Jensen is a very smart defenseman who can skate as good as any other player out there, he's been an excellent partner for Chabot and it's exactly what he needed.
I mean, they got Hronek in Hughes' 22 year old season, there was an expectation his game would continue to grow.

I do think partners are important, and it's absolutely wild that it took this long to find a decent partner for Chabot.
 

DueDiligence

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Chabot has been considerably, obviously better and has shut his loudest critics up with his play.

Brady sets up a goal and scores the ot winner so he gets some reprieve his D game is improving but the fundamentals are still a work in progress. I hope he gets there.
Brady is a far better all round player than Chabot. Chabot only plays good defense when he has a solid partner to play with. And when's the last time Chabot had a dominant offensive game???
Put Brady on with two fourth liners and he will still score and hit.
 

HSF

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Brady is a far better all round player than Chabot. Chabot only plays good defense when he has a solid partner to play with. And when's the last time Chabot had a dominant offensive game???
Put Brady on with two fourth liners and he will still score and hit.
Every top defensemen has a good partener to play with. Just like good forwards play with other forwards like Brady having Stutztle.

Both Brady and Chabot are solid. Jensen is benefitting a lot from Chabot aswell

 
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JD1

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Chabot has really played well recently. I'll be the first to admit that and I was (and still am) one of his worst critics.

That said, this notion that it took the team this long to find him a decent partner and it's really not his fault because of it is hogwash. Chabot's crappy play was almost entirely his own fault. No other player to blame. No mgmt to blame. He was simply not good.

His improved play is huge for the team..
 
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DueDiligence

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Every top defensemen has a good partener to play with. Just like good forwards play with other forwards like Brady having Stutztle.

Both Brady and Chabot are solid. Jensen is benefitting a lot from Chabot aswell

I would say that Jensen has been as good as Chabot this year. But Jensen is half the salary of Chabot. And Chabot is paid to be a difference maker which he is not.
 
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Schmautz11

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My view.
I am a critic of Chabot but his play has improved. That being said, Jensen has been the better of the two. By far. I hope Chabot continues to play better but I still see a fair amount of the bad plays/passes, shots being blocked, taking too long to make a play or shoot.... but it is getting better and they do seem to be creating some chemistry. Certainly encouraging. If and when Zub and Sanderson kick it in gear, that should be a solid top 4.
 

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He’s been the best player for the team quite easily the past 5ish games

If we can get everyone going at the same time it will be a very good D core.

1-2 punch of Sanderson/Chabot with Jensen/Zub flanking is a very potent unit.

Sanderson needs to start doing something offensively at even strength. It’s great he’s been on fire on the PP, but 1 point at even strength through 14 games is unacceptable for a guy like Sanderson.
 

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Took half a decade. It should have been the easiest thing to complete. It was an extremely evident need, and fix.

“You’ve got all the assets in the world, from 2019-2024. Find a RD, not a star, who can play 19-20 minutes a night who can compliment your star D’s game”

How, HOW can you not succeed in finding a guy for that long. It’s absolutely insane.
Well to be fair. They actually thought Zaitsev was that guy. dj went to bat for him
 
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HSF

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Chabot has really played well recently. I'll be the first to admit that and I was (and still am) one of his worst critics.

That said, this notion that it took the team this long to find him a decent partner and it's really not his fault because of it is hogwash. Chabot's crappy play was almost entirely his own fault. No other player to blame. No mgmt to blame. He was simply not good.

His improved play is huge for the team..
Playing way too many mins, poor defense partner and not having any defensive depth behind him certainly would be reasons for any defensemen to play poorly
 
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Carl Karlsson

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Having Jensen in as a partner has clearly helped him, but also have to wonder how much the wrist injury affected him. He had some great games this year and looked more like the Chabot that got the 8m/year contract, but I hope he find more consistency he was also bad in a few games (I guess the same could be said about the team as a whole)
 

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Chabot finally has a decent partner and he is performing at a level we have been hoping he would reach. Injuries and boat anchors as partners really derailed his progress. Jensen has thus far been the perfect match. Hope it continues, they have been the best tandem in recent times.
Really too bad jensen is 34 already. Hope he can keep it up. He’s welcome here as long as he does.
 

DueDiligence

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He’s been the best player for the team quite easily the past 5ish games

If we can get everyone going at the same time it will be a very good D core.

1-2 punch of Sanderson/Chabot with Jensen/Zub flanking is a very potent unit.

Sanderson needs to start doing something offensively at even strength. It’s great he’s been on fire on the PP, but 1 point at even strength through 14 games is unacceptable for a guy like Sanderson.
I think you are being overly generous in your assessment because he has been good with no major mistakes. In the last 5 games he's had no goals, one primary assist with 15 shots on goal out of 35 attempts. He has blocked 10 shots, had 2 total hits and 4 takeaways and 4 giveaways. OK stats but nothing that is outstanding. And I would say Jensen has been equally as good or better.
 

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Having Jensen in as a partner has clearly helped him, but also have to wonder how much the wrist injury affected him. He had some great games this year and looked more like the Chabot that got the 8m/year contract, but I hope he find more consistency he was also bad in a few games (I guess the same could be said about the team as a whole)
I would agree that having Jensen for a partner has been very helpful to Chabot and it does seem like Chabot is always dealing with some type of injury.
I do think that came with him playing so much in the past. If memory serves, he was the league leader or very close to the top in minutes played per game over the last 3-5 years (when he played).

With Sanderson taking over as the lead Dman on this team, I think that is also played a part in his game this year.
He is not having to play 26+ minutes per game every game, he can be more in that 23-minute range, which I think really helps.
You could see the exhaustion in his game in years past. He has his legs/energy back this year, which is great to see.
 
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