THN's Top 100 Players Of All-Time By Position (2010)

[Hardyvan123]

Well if nothing else this list should make for interesting discussion on these boards.

I'm not sure why anyone would be surprised to see sid and AO already in the top 100 at their positions.

I have Lidstrom 2nd all time on the D list but I'm pretty sure their will be outrage is he breaks into the top 4.

What will be really interesting is were they place the early Russians, who all had better reputations and careers before they came to the NHL.

 

[seventieslord]

I had a Flames fan friend try and tell me Iginla was on par with Yzerman and Sakic, so this should be fun to see where they all land.

iggy might have a shot at ending up higher among RWs than they do as centers... but if he even comes close don't let your friend get away with calling that evidence of Iggy being as good as them.

What will be really interesting is were they place the early Russians, who all had better reputations and careers before they came to the NHL.

Early Russians never played in the NHL. You're talking about 80s Russians, I assume.

Secondly, That's IF they even place those players. Which I hope they do.

 

[unknown33]

My predictions:

Brodeur #1
Niedermayer Top 10
Messier, Robitaille, Francis overrated

 

[JFA87-66-99]

Thats strange because last year I never got th ebest jersey of all-time issue. I still think the great debates of hockey was there best one.

 

[JackSlater]

I'm not sure why anyone would be surprised to see sid and AO already in the top 100 at their positions.

It's going to be the top 20 at each position, so 100 players overall. Ovechkin definitely belongs in the top 20 LWs ever and Crosby should probably squeak into the top 20 centres.

 

[TheDevilMadeMe]

Oh I'm not questioning Mahovlich being rated very highly. I'm mostly amused that Proteau made a point of stating how he had been recently researching Mahovlich and seemed surprised to find out how good he was, and also seemingly expected that not very many people would know this. That alone makes me think that the list will be... poorly constructed.

I agree with this line of thinking. How can you credibly put together such a list if you don't already have a good idea as to who Frank Mahovlich is?

 

[Habsfan18]

From their facebook page:

 

[TheDevilMadeMe]

From their facebook page:

Oh god, I saw the name "Mogilny"

 

[kmad]

I saw 'Fuhr'...

 

[TheDevilMadeMe]

I saw 'Fuhr'...

Yeah, I saw that too. But I guess there's an argument Fuhr is about the 20th best goaltender of all time. Much better than Mogilny as a Top 20 RW.

 

[kmad]

Yeah, I saw that too. But I guess there's an argument Fuhr is about the 20th best goaltender of all time. Much better than Mogilny as a Top 20 RW.

Maybe I'm alone here but I feel Fuhr is horribly overrated. I don't see what separates him from a guy like Chris Osgood. Fuhr's numbers are awful, aside from his win totals from being on the Oilers dynasty.

 

[TheDevilMadeMe]

Maybe I'm alone here but I feel Fuhr is horribly overrated. I don't see what separates him from a guy like Chris Osgood. Fuhr's numbers are awful, aside from his win totals from being on the Oilers dynasty.

I remember that he was considered by many people to be the best goalie of the mid 80s, something Osgood never ever was. He was also a regular for the Canada Cup, was he not? Granted some of that was probably homerism on Glen Sather's part, but it's not like Steve Yzerman would have ever considered Chris Osgood for Team Canada.

 

[kingdok]

Yeah, I saw that too. But I guess there's an argument Fuhr is about the 20th best goaltender of all time. Much better than Mogilny as a Top 20 RW.

The question is: Where is ''Lemieux''?

 

[kmad]

I remember that he was considered by many people to be the best goalie of the mid 80s, something Osgood never ever was. He was also a regular for the Canada Cup, was he not? Granted some of that was probably homerism on Glen Sather's part, but it's not like Steve Yzerman would have ever considered Chris Osgood for Team Canada.

The 80s were pretty void of goaltending talent. Lindbergh would have surpassed Fuhr easily. Roy came late, and so Fuhr's contemporaries for the 80s were guys like John Vanbiesbrouck and Tom Barrasso.

 

[Psycho Papa Joe]

Maybe I'm alone here but I feel Fuhr is horribly overrated. I don't see what separates him from a guy like Chris Osgood. Fuhr's numbers are awful, aside from his win totals from being on the Oilers dynasty.

Definetly one of those guys you would have had to seen play to truly appreciate. Sure his numbers are awfull by today's standards, but in the mid to late 80's he was the best goalie in the world IMO. Lindbergh, Roy and Hextall had some great years during that period, but I think most people, if given a choice, would have wanted Fuhr in net during that era.

 

[Psycho Papa Joe]

The 80s were pretty void of goaltending talent.

No they weren't. They were void of every team playing the trap and michelin man, light weight, goalie equipment.

 

[Regal]

Oh god, I saw the name "Mogilny"

I saw that too, and thought "oh crap, this place is going to have a field day"

It also has Crosby, so we know he made the center list. Which means OV should crack the LW list then. Also, Forsberg made it as well, which isn't a stretch necessarily, but he would be borderline.

I still don't get the Gainey love though

 

[John Flyers Fan]

Definetly one of those guys you would have had to seen play to truly appreciate. Sure his numbers are awfull by today's standards, but in the mid to late 80's he was the best goalie in the world IMO. Lindbergh, Roy and Hextall had some great years during that period, but I think most people, if given a choice, would have wanted Fuhr in net during that era.

Agreed. I'm of the opinion that Fuhr gets underrated because of his numbers. He was clearly the best goalie in the world during the 2nd half of the 80's.

 

[kmad]

No they weren't. They were void of every team playing the trap and michelin man, light weight, goalie equipment.

Even if you ignore the out of context numbers, it's hard to argue against Fuhr being the only Hall of Fame goalie who experienced his prime years in the 1980s.

A case can be made for Billy Smith (who was better than Fuhr overall), but he petered out towards the end of the decade.

Really, you've got Fuhr, the tail end of Esposito, the 2nd half of Smith, the first part of Roy's career, and then a slew of guys who aren't quite as good - Peeters, Moog, Liut etc.

Compare that to any other decade in hockey (save for the 2000s where Brodeur is the runaway). The 90s give you Brodeur, Hasek, Roy and Belfour. The 70s give you Esposito, Dryden, Parent, Vachon and Cheevers (and sometimes Tretiak). The 60s give you Plante, Sawchuk, Hall, Bower, etc.

Even with this comparatively limited level of competition Fuhr only managed one Vezina trophy and two post-season all-star selections (one 1st/one 2nd).

 

[kmad]

It also has Crosby, so we know he made the center list. Which means OV should crack the LW list then

OV should crack the LW list regardless of modern bias. It's a historically shallow position and he's clearly a generational talent. I wouldn't bat an eye if they put him top five or six already. Who's still going to be ahead of him? Hull, Moore, Mahovlich, Kharlamov, Robitaille... am I forgetting anyone? Was Bucyk a LW?

 

[Regal]

OV should crack the LW list regardless of modern bias. It's a historically shallow position and he's clearly a generational talent. I wouldn't bat an eye if they put him top five or six already. Who's still going to be ahead of him? Hull, Moore, Mahovlich, Kharlamov, Robitaille... am I forgetting anyone? Was Bucyk a LW?

Oh, I agree he's already top 20 among LWs. I just meant if they're putting Crosby in the much tougher to crack center list, there's basically no chance Ovechkin doesn't make the list

 

[Psycho Papa Joe]

Oh god, I saw the name "Mogilny"

There are currently 37 RW's in the HOF. Mogilny will never be in the HOF. In addition there are guys not in the HOF like Middleton, Selanne, Recchi, Bure who were better. How could somebody possibly justify Mogilny being a top 20 RW is beyond me?

 

[Regal]

There are currently 37 RW's in the HOF. Mogilny will never be in the HOF. In addition there are guys not in the HOF like Middleton, Selanne, Recchi, Bure who were better. How could somebody possibly justify Mogilny being a top 20 RW is beyond me?

I'm not even sure if he'd be in the top-20 if based purely on each RWs best season

 

[John Flyers Fan]

I'm not even sure if he'd be in the top-20 if based purely on each RWs best season

His 76 goal season would get him in that top 20 .... but he certainly isn't a top 20 all-time RW.

 

[canucks4ever]

the best right wingers are:

howe
richard
jagr
cook
lafleur
bossy
geoffrion
bathgate
charlie conacher
dit clapper
jari kurri
sergei makarov
brett hull
teemu selanne
boris mikhailov
bill mosienko
bryan hextall
pavel bure
jarome iginla

I guess mogilny could make the bottom of the list, especially if you exclude makarov and mikhailov.