THN - Who'll Stay? Who'll Go? A guide to your TML.

[rumman]

No. It’s an off handed judgmental comment you’ve made about a players character that’s unfounded and you know nothing about. But you go ahead and do you. With ellipses.

did you not watch his play this playoffs? He was scared of physical contact pretty much every shift, that's cowardly behavior imo...........

 

[Torontonian]

Both Robertson and Liljegren not coming back would just add to the lengthy list of talented Maple Leafs draftees over the decades who came with hype, but never delivered or developed properly.

Robertson is developing quite nicely actually, 22 years old, avg 11 mins of ice time in 56 games and had 27 points. Problem is Toronto needs to find the room to actually let him become his full potential.

He's not what you want from a 3rd line player (smaller, with not a great ability to create turnovers by forechecking), if you keep putting him in that role, ofc he's not going to hit his full potential.

I'm fine with trading him in package for another need, but it's one of those things where if he was playing 15-16 mins a night, with more then 30 seconds of PP time, it wouldn't surprise me if he hit 45-50 points.

 

[Leafs87]

I wouldn’t give up on Robertson yet but I can see it happening

 

[arso40]

The obvious counter-argument here: even when he has been healthy, he's looked like a fringe NHL Dman, on a team that not only needs defensive help, but has plenty of fringe NHL Dmen.

You'd be onto something if he looked like someone capable of stepping into the top 4, or even an established top 6 guy, but he just doesn't look like a guy that you should be banking on turning intos something significant.

He's given some major right handed Jake Gardiner vibes at times - I know he's young, and Dmen typically peak much later etc., but that would be the very reason why I would consider moving him this off-season; see if you can find a team that views him in those similar lines, and examine what that return would look like, even if he's in a package.

Gardiner was our best dman when he was here was deployed to face the tougher competition you do know that rielly wasn't taking that on at any point right?

 

[aingefan]

did you not watch his play this playoffs? He was scared of physical contact pretty much every shift, that's cowardly behavior imo...........

I did, yes.
No I didn’t see that.

 

[rumman]

I did, yes.
No I didn’t see that.

maybe take the rose coloured glasses off then...........

 

[aingefan]

maybe take the rose coloured glasses off then...........

If we’re at the cliche stage, then there’s no point but finishing with ‘it that ain’t the pot calling the kettle black’.

 

[thewave]

https://thehockeynews.com/news/wholl-stay-and-wholl-go-looking-at-maple-leafs-bubble-players

Confirmed with link

Coming back for sure:

B Mcmann
C Dewar

Coming back but no guarantee:

M Domi
T Bertuzzi
D Kampf
J Edmundson

Very probably not coming back:

N Robertson
T Liljegren
C Timmins

Best Quote:


"It’s a measure of Liljegren’s fallen stock that, despite being a much-valued right-shot defenseman, he was a healthy scratch for one of Toronto’s playoff games against Boston. The 25-year-old Swede is scheduled to be an RFA this summer who’ll get a slight salary bump on the $1.4 million he made in 2023-24, but Liljegren is likely to be included in any trade for a better blueliner. On a true Stanley Cup contender, Liljegren is a third-pair option, and Toronto has more than enough of those types of D-men on the roster. His time as a Leaf is probably done."

Well this is exactly why you need to keep Lilgrin at all costs.

 

[Hellcat]

I can understand moving Timmins if his cap hit is deemed to be too much for a player who is likely to be a spare part more often than not. I can maybe even rationalize trading away Robertson if the return is good and the winger/forward depth is looked at as being sufficient enough. Unless the contract ask proves to be something outlandish though, what's the great purpose of trading Liljegren?

When you compare Benoit to Lily would most fans tale Benny or Lilly?

Tre probably wants more Benny types and less Lilly types. Soft unproductive d-men are not the type of Dmen Tre likes.

 

[Buds17]

When you compare Benoit to Lily would most fans tale Benny or Lilly?

Tre probably wants more Benny types and less Lilly types. Soft unproductive d-men are not the type of Dmen Tre likes.

This doesn't have to be a case of one or the other though because the d-men in question are vastly different (defensively sound LHD vs RHD that can bring more offence while still being adequate defensively) and yet could be quite complementary to each other. I'm questioning whether it would be the best idea to move Liljegren but won't altogether be surprised if it does actually happen.

 

[Ianturnedbull]

If I had no other options I would bring Liljegren back.

I think Treliving has more connections, more creativity, cap flexibility, and no allegiance to Lil.

I think we've see his last game as a leaf...

 

[Tak7]

This narrative that he’s a fringe NHLer just isn’t true.
Now mind you, im not saying he’s a Norris candidate. But he’s a good D, and the narrative that he’s not has taken off in unfounded ways that ignore context.

He hasn't been able to hold down a full time NHL position - quite literally the definition of a fringe NHLer.

Didn't play regularly in the playoffs last year or this year.

The rest of your post isn't really backed up by much data. Extraordinary play? When?

 

[Tak7]

Gardiner was our best dman when he was here was deployed to face the tougher competition you do know that rielly wasn't taking that on at any point right?

And?

Gardiner was awful in his own end, and often treated the puck like a livewire grenade on his stick. Despite being a really smooth skater and someone who could make a great first pass, he rarely utilized those assets to his benefit.

Take Jake Gardiner and give him a right handed stick, and you have Timothy Liljegren - could make a collage of the number of goals that went in this year that had Lilly standing in front of the net like a deer caught in the headlights.

 

[arso40]

And?

Gardiner was awful in his own end, and often treated the puck like a livewire grenade on his stick. Despite being a really smooth skater and someone who could make a great first pass, he rarely utilized those assets to his benefit.

Take Jake Gardiner and give him a right handed stick, and you have Timothy Liljegren - could make a collage of the number of goals that went in this year that had Lilly standing in front of the net like a deer caught in the headlights.

Read what I was responding to cause if u did you wouldn't start your response with and

 

[Wrong Wilson]

I want to see a Berube-coached Robertson

 

[Ianturnedbull]

When Liljegren goes I'll add him to the TML Soft Hall of Fame. He's up there with Barrie, JML, and Gardiner.

 

[Hellcat]

This doesn't have to be a case of one or the other though because the d-men in question are vastly different (defensively sound LHD vs RHD that can bring more offence while still being adequate defensively) and yet could be quite complementary to each other. I'm questioning whether it would be the best idea to move Liljegren but won't altogether be surprised if it does actually happen.

Stylistically I mean ... take away the RD and LD, and compare the type of games they both play. Then think about the type of dman Tre has signed or traded for, outside of Klingberg, they are all hard d-men to play against... would that be how we would describe Lilly? hard to play against?

 

[rumman]

When you compare Benoit to Lily would most fans tale Benny or Lilly?

Tre probably wants more Benny types and less Lilly types. Soft unproductive d-men are not the type of Dmen Tre likes.

it;s not even close, Benoit bleeds blue and white, Lilly not so much........

If I had no other options I would bring Liljegren back.

I think Treliving has more connections, more creativity, cap flexibility, and no elegance to Lil.

I think we've see his last game as a leaf...

allegiance

 

[Leafs87]

Not a fan of hearing Kampf is returning. High cap and honestly prefer Dewar/Holberg

 

[rumman]

When Liljegren goes I'll add him to the TML Soft Hall of Fame. He's up there with Barrie, JML, and Gardiner.

 

[aingefan]

He hasn't been able to hold down a full time NHL position - quite literally the definition of a fringe NHLer.

Didn't play regularly in the playoffs last year or this year.

The rest of your post isn't really backed up by much data. Extraordinary play? When?

He was a regular this year. The only games he missed were due to injury.
6 of 7 games this year is ‘regular’.
Advanced metrics showed the Sandin-Liljegren third pairing being one of the best in the NHL; it was reported here constantly.

 

[arso40]

maybe take the rose coloured glasses off then...........

How'd you see that?

 

[thewave]

He was a regular this year. The only games he missed were due to injury.
6 of 7 games this year is ‘regular’.
Advanced metrics showed the Sandin-Liljegren third pairing being one of the best in the NHL; it was reported here constantly.

No this is Toronto. Have to dump one of the only RD we have for nothing. The players where scouts are thinking he could still put it together they dont want.

how many players around 24-27 have we recently moved on fron that a lot of people here said maybe we should protect from expansion or trade etc. Dubas must have unloaded 4 or 5 actually useful players we could use now.

Nope gotta run back a mickey mouse coach with mickey mitch marner and jankcock and kampf or kerfoot etc.

Fire Shanahan and let this GM breathe already. Buncha MLSE dopes

ADD: Anyone else notice the Leafs dont know how to figure out what pairings on D work? Rielly is effective with the right partner. Same with lil. Leafs do not understand the D position at all. Cant draft for it or anything.

 

[aingefan]

No this is Toronto. Have to dump one of the only RD we have for nothing. The players where scouts are thinking he could still put it together they dont want.

how many players around 24-27 have we recently moved on fron that a lot of people here said maybe we should protect from expansion or trade etc. Dubas must have unloaded 4 or 5 actually useful players we could use now.

Nope gotta run back a mickey mouse coach with mickey mitch marner and jankcock and kampf or kerfoot etc.

Fire Shanahan and let this GM breathe already. Buncha MLSE dopes

ADD: Anyone else notice the Leafs dont know how to figure out what pairings on D work? Rielly is effective with the right partner. Same with lil. Leafs do not understand the D position at all. Cant draft for it or anything.

Ya know, I’m pretty sure there was a Muzzin-Liljegren vision for a while until the injuries caught up.

It’s a good point that D pairs are a sum of the parts.

McCabe or Benoit with Lili will be fine and cost effective, barring injury/knock on wood.

Maybe Reilly needs Desharnais?

Maybe Benny with a late blooming puckmover like Chatfield?

Maybe spend money on two guys for 6-7 mil rather than one. And let the coach figure out rest. It might look underwhelming on paper, but strong in compatibility.

 

[57 Years No Cup]

He was a regular this year. The only games he missed were due to injury.
6 of 7 games this year is ‘regular’.
Advanced metrics showed the Sandin-Liljegren third pairing being one of the best in the NHL; it was reported here constantly.