This is a bad hockey team

[TheBloodyNine]

Not for nothing Jordan bininngton was a huge reason the Blues won the cup. Cause he was hot at the right time. Timing and opportunity is what makes and brakes the winners and losers in all aspects of life.
I posted this same post about a year and a half ago
I personally still want strome gone and want the team to. Keep working and get better, but if they can keep their head above water while they are trying to accomplish that, it’s certainly better for us then worse.

Binnington was far from the only reason the Blues won.

 

[Leonardo87]

Team is 6-2-3 with their best players not performing at their best yet.

Based on their overall team performance don’t feel they deserve that record. Igor has stolen games for them and Fox and Kreider have come up big as well.

 

[Savant]

Cool. Still 6-2-3 and the point stands their best players haven’t performed to standard. That still holds true.

Are you saying Igor isn’t one of their best players?

 

[RGY]

Based on their overall team performance don’t feel they deserve that record. Igor has stolen games for them and Fox and Kreider have come up big as well.

But those things still count.

Until getting completely undressed last night Nemeth has played very well. He is tied for 2nd in the league in blocked shots. That has been a huge factor in the success of the PK.

Blais and Hunt have made this team aggressive on the forecheck. Its those guys that have really gotten more out of someone like Rooney.

Our best players arent playing their best. Our top 2 kids have not gotten going and I believe they will.

I guess it comes down to one’s perception, but I see this early success as comforting. Because if your best players, your elite players, can pick it up this team will be top 3 in the Metro throughout the season, even if your top 2 picks dont ever show up.

 

[RGY]

Are you saying Igor isn’t one of their best players?

Never once said that. Don’t cherrypick to fit your sky is falling narrative. Its not like he is out there with nobody in front of him. There are a collection of players playing very well and have contributed to the wins. It’s disingenuous you to just point to Igor and leave your argument there.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

Ill fix it for you all

Kreider Zib Goodrow
Panarin Strome Blais
Laf Chytil Kakko
Barron Rooney Hunt/Reaves

Lindgren Trouba
Miller Fox
Jones Schneider

 

[Savant]

Never once said that. Don’t cherrypick to fit your sky is falling narrative. Its not like he is out there with nobody in front of him. There are a collection of players playing very well and have contributed to the wins. It’s disingenuous you to just point to Igor and leave your argument there.

The Rangers best players have been Fox and Igor this season and they are both playing at a high level. Panarin has started slow but the problem is the Rangers aren’t getting anything from their young players that needed to make the leap on offense, and their depth defense flips a coin every night to see if they are going to be functional or not. Without Igor they are a six loss team instead of a six win team

 

[Crease]

Ill fix it for you all

Kreider Zib Goodrow
Panarin Strome Blais
Laf Chytil Kakko
Barron Rooney Hunt/Reaves

Lindgren Trouba
Miller Fox
Jones Schneider

Goodrow and Blais in the top six doesn’t feel like a playoff roster. Neither does an all-rookie third pair. A lot of this has to do with the fact that Kakko, Laf, Kravtsov and Lundkvist are “behind schedule.” It is what it is.

 

[RGY]

The Rangers best players have been Fox and Igor this season and they are both playing at a high level. Panarin has started slow but the problem is the Rangers aren’t getting anything from their young players that needed to make the leap on offense, and their depth defense flips a coin every night to see if they are going to be functional or not.

Okay, and? They’re still 6-2-3. Unless they go on some long losing streak, they should be in good shape even if they win every other game. If they just played .500 hockey the rest of the way they would end up with around 87 points. Now if they stay 3-4 games above .500 the rest of the way? Of course there will be OTL’s. The point is, they will be in it all year. Yes their kids needs to step it up. Chytil finally did so last night. Finally. And Panarin needs to realize the hockey season started. But if they even get 50% of an expected progression from the kids and 75% of Panarin’s normal production, they will be a playoff team. And come the trade deadline we will add a rental to help solidify the middle OR make the forward group deeper offensively. Maybe they also add a depth D to play alongside Nemeth.

It just isn’t as bad as so many are making this out to be. This team is 6-2-3, not 2-6-3.

 

[RGY]

Goodrow and Blais in the top six doesn’t feel like a playoff roster. Neither does an all-rookie third pair. A lot of this has to do with the fact that Kakko, Laf, Kravtsov and Lundkvist are “behind schedule.” It is what it is.

It just isnt going to happen. This isn’t 2024. Jones-Schneider? Nope. I can understand swapping Jones with Lundkvist at this point.

Blais is good for the 3rd line. Goodrow to the 2nd line. And Kakko to the 1st line with Zib

 

[Savant]

Okay, and? They’re still 6-2-3. Unless they go on some long losing streak, they should be in good shape even if they win every other game. If they just played .500 hockey the rest of the way they would end up with around 87 points. Now if they stay 3-4 games above .500 the rest of the way? Of course there will be OTL’s. The point is, they will be in it all year. Yes their kids needs to step it up. Chytil finally did so last night. Finally. And Panarin needs to realize the hockey season started. But if they even get 50% of an expected progression from the kids and 75% of Panarin’s normal production, they will be a playoff team. And come the trade deadline we will add a rental to help solidify the middle OR make the forward group deeper offensively. Maybe they also add a depth D to play alongside Nemeth.

It just isn’t as bad as so many are making this out to be. This team is 6-2-3, not 2-6-3.

I don’t agree. They are getting unsustainable goaltending. The guys that they need to step up have not. This is the core that they need to live and die with too.

 

[RGY]

I don’t agree. They are getting unsustainable goaltending. The guys that they need to step up have not. This is the core that they need to live and die with too.

Okay, well that is your opinion. Because while yes the goaltending may dip, I don’t see some massive drop that you seem to be expecting. You also make it seem like their best players will just never start being their best players. Ok, I guess, seems kinda extreme, but I guess.

 

[DialUp]

Unless they go on some long losing streak, they should be in good shape even if they win every other game. If they just played .500 hockey the rest of the way they would end up with around 87 points.

you will need at least 100 points to make the playoffs in the Metro for years and years. The team has to be AMAZING to make the playoffs in this division.

 

[RGY]

you will need at least 100 points to make the playoffs in the Metro for years and years. The team has to be AMAZING to make the playoffs in this division.

You mean they couldnt make the WC spot? Those dont exist anymore? Pretty certain they could make it with 96-98 points. That would be about 5-6 wins above .500 the rest of the way.

 

[Leonardo87]

But those things still count.

Until getting completely undressed last night Nemeth has played very well. He is tied for 2nd in the league in blocked shots. That has been a huge factor in the success of the PK.

Blais and Hunt have made this team aggressive on the forecheck. Its those guys that have really gotten more out of someone like Rooney.

Our best players arent playing their best. Our top 2 kids have not gotten going and I believe they will.

I guess it comes down to one’s perception, but I see this early success as comforting. Because if your best players, your elite players, can pick it up this team will be top 3 in the Metro throughout the season, even if your top 2 picks dont ever show up.

They are not playing horrible, but as a team they are not on the same page yet and just have one or two guys carrying the team on their shoulders. That can only last so long. Chytil coming up big last night with a goal and a assist was a start in the right direction.

 

[TheDirtyH]

Maybe I'm on an island, but I thought the Panarin-Zibanejad-Kreider line worked really well and hope it gets put back together.

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Would be what I'd roll with

 

[DialUp]

You mean they couldnt make the WC spot? Those dont exist anymore? Pretty certain they could make it with 96-98 points. That would be about 5-6 wins above .500 the rest of the way.

Yes they could make a WC spot if they get 100 points (98, maybe sneaks in). The season is early, but it's about realistic expectations: are Pitt and NYI going to be eh all year long? If they are, we might be able to get a wild card with around 96 points. And what about Phila, they aren't shit either. You need big boy balls in this division, we need to grow em.

 

[LokiDog]

Laf and Kakko combined have played 188 NHL games. They’ve put up 65 points. That comes out to .35 points per game. Together they’re averaging about a 28 point per 82 pace. One is a sophomore 1OA and the other is a third year 2OA.

Laf’s exact pace is 30.5 points per 82.
Kakko’s is 27.1


That’s rough. Even if Zib and Strome were putting their points up a bit more consistently (Panarin is point per game and Kreider is as hot as he’s even been, so there’s really no other vets to get going) we’re never going to get anywhere with this type of output from these kids. Add in Chytil being in year D+5. Kravtsov essentially taking himself out of the equation. If we can’t develop forwards, we can’t compete. You can’t create an entire forward group of acquisitions.

 

[jay from jersey]

Binnington was far from the only reason the Blues won.

No but without him getting hot at the right time, they weren’t winning.
They had a solid core, but without him making the timely save in some of those games, they were screwed.
No team is gona play 100% flawless hockey, your goalie has to be able to make the save at the right time.
Just like Geo last night, it’s not that he let up the 4-5 goals, it was the keep moment that he let them in that gave them life and got them back in the game.
I’m in no way saying we should be satisfied, once that happens your doomed.
Right now, Gallant is deploying what we have, rather then what we need currently.
Drury is not a dumb guy, he’s got to recognize this.
Just internally, without fussing around and making a trade, if we replace strome and Georgiev with Barron and kinkaid, We might have a 4-5 game adjustment period, but imo we be so much better off in the long run.
It would also answer some much needed to know questions about Barron, who he’ll have chemistry with, can chytil build some constant efforts off of last night with more time and more responsibilities??
We should no say be satisfied, but new coach, new players, young team, big guns still haven’t hit full gear( besides shesty and kreider.) and a long road trip to start the year, were weathering the storm.
That builds character and to be winners, that is needed.
Still a work in progress but imo, the negatives aren’t overwhelming the positives. The group will become closer, just have to keep up the passion and pack mentality

 

[NYR713]

I haven't posted anything in a long time, but really had the urge today. I agree with a lot here that the best players aren't all being the best and there could be much better production from some of the younger guys... and that may all come as the season goes on.

My biggest problems with this season is the screwing around with Kravtsov so that they don't chance losing Dryden F^*&^ Hunt to waivers and giving a dud like Barclay Goodrow 3.6M of the team's cap space for the next 7 years. This guy really isn't that good. He isn't some high energy guy out there hitting everything in site or the best penalty killer on the team or anything really noticeable, IMO. And he gets a letter on his jersey and is currently on the team's top line. I really don't get what they see in him. I don't care if he isn't a big scorer, but he definitely isn't the hustling prototypical 3rd liner type he was made out to be... he's no Cizikas/Clutterbuck or Jesper Fast. He's just a dud out there taking up cap space that could have been used to keep Buchnevich around.

 

[TheBloodyNine]

No but without him getting hot at the right time, they weren’t winning.
They had a solid core, but without him making the timely save in some of those games, they were screwed.
No team is gona play 100% flawless hockey, your goalie has to be able to make the save at the right time.
Just like Geo last night, it’s not that he let up the 4-5 goals, it was the keep moment that he let them in that gave them life and got them back in the game.
I’m in no way saying we should be satisfied, once that happens your doomed.
Right now, Gallant is deploying what we have, rather then what we need currently.
Drury is not a dumb guy, he’s got to recognize this.
Just internally, without fussing around and making a trade, if we replace strome and Georgiev with Barron and kinkaid, We might have a 4-5 game adjustment period, but imo we be so much better off in the long run.
It would also answer some much needed to know questions about Barron, who he’ll have chemistry with, can chytil build some constant efforts off of last night with more time and more responsibilities??
We should no say be satisfied, but new coach, new players, young team, big guns still haven’t hit full gear( besides shesty and kreider.) and a long road trip to start the year, were weathering the storm.
That builds character and to be winners, that is needed.
Still a work in progress but imo, the negatives aren’t overwhelming the positives. The group will become closer, just have to keep up the passion and pack mentality

We're not talking about a goalie getting hot in the playoffs. We're talking about only being able to win if your goalie plays like Henrik 2012 every night. That's not how the Blues won, and last I checked, O'Reilly won the Smythe that year, not Binnington. This is not a great analogy here.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

Goodrow and Blais in the top six doesn’t feel like a playoff roster. Neither does an all-rookie third pair. A lot of this has to do with the fact that Kakko, Laf, Kravtsov and Lundkvist are “behind schedule.” It is what it is.

Id prefer Kravtsov in the top 6 but it is what it is. The kids played their best hockey together and i think thats where they belong

 

[howztheglass]

I'm not a Kravs supporter of what he did ( I want I want blah blah ) nor the team ( No you can't have blah blah ) but somehow Drury should reach out to him and try to get pass everything.

Now don't kill the messenger but I for one feel he would he would make the team stronger in the top 6 allowing the Rangers to play the kids together and the fourth line to bang.

No more baby crap let's but the best team out there night after night. Goodrow shouldn't be in the top 6 forwards--Laffy shouldn't be on the fourth line--he's not a banger. I know GG is trying to make a point but if the 1OA is playing on the fourth line or worst the minors we really F'ed up the draft. Brings me back to Kravs top 10OA pick shouldn't be playing in Russia.

Worst things have happened on this team in the past and were patched up both the team and the player might just need to grow up a little.

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The past 2 years the Rangers have had to much negative crap going on--Geo vs TDA--who really stepped in Miller/Trouba/CK this year Kravs situation and oh course wanting to know whom the Rangers want to name captain.

6-2-3 and 3 players out of 21 playing lights out most games on the road there's potential of a really good season coming--some players need to wake up and hopefully some players need to make up.

On to Calgary.

 

[EdJovanovski]

I'm not a Kravs supporter of what he did ( I want I want blah blah ) nor the team ( No you can't have blah blah ) but somehow Drury should reach out to him and try to get pass everything.

Now don't kill the messenger but I for one feel he would he would make the team stronger in the top 6 allowing the Rangers to play the kids together and the fourth line to bang.

No more baby crap let's but the best team out there night after night. Goodrow shouldn't be in the top 6 forwards--Laffy shouldn't be on the fourth line--he's not a banger. I know GG is trying to make a point but if the 1OA is playing on the fourth line or worst the minors we really F'ed up the draft. Brings me back to Kravs top 10OA pick shouldn't be playing in Russia.

Worst things have happened on this team in the past and were patched up both the team and the player might just need to grow up a little.

20-93-74
10-16-91
13-72-24
21-17-29/75

The past 2 years the Rangers have had to much negative crap going on--Geo vs TDA--who really stepped in Miller/Trouba/CK this year Kravs situation and oh course wanting to know whom the Rangers want to name captain.

6-2-3 and 3 players out of 21 playing lights out most games on the road there's potential of a really good season coming--some players need to wake up and hopefully some players need to make up.

On to Calgary.

From what both parties and insiders have said; they're making amends and he's returning to the Rangers. But it won't happen until the KHL season ends as we've loaned him to Traktor

 

[mandiblesofdoom]

But those things still count.

Until getting completely undressed last night Nemeth has played very well. He is tied for 2nd in the league in blocked shots. That has been a huge factor in the success of the PK.

He's not good at getting the puck out of the zone exit with possession. And blocking shots is not always a good thing. Like Dan G, he has to block shots because the opponent spends too much time in the Rangers end shooting the puck.

Blais and Hunt have made this team aggressive on the forecheck. Its those guys that have really gotten more out of someone like Rooney.

Hunt especially has helped. I'm not sure what to make of Blais yet. Rooney was good last year I thought.

Our best players arent playing their best. Our top 2 kids have not gotten going and I believe they will.

Fox & Igor are playing well. Panarin, Mika, maybe not so much.

I guess it comes down to one’s perception, but I see this early success as comforting. Because if your best players, your elite players, can pick it up this team will be top 3 in the Metro throughout the season, even if your top 2 picks dont ever show up.

Let's hope so. Curious to see how they look when the start playing the Metro teams.