This is a bad hockey team

[mas0764]

You can't get players up to speed. That's up to them, presuming they can.

I don’t think this is true. There is nothing teams can do to help develop its young players?

 

[duhmetreE]

It's seems like Yzerman knows what he's doing... It's looking like he has created another environment where talented kids are allowed to excel and grow.

We need to send spies.

 

[chosen]

I don’t think this is true. There is nothing teams can do to help develop its young players?

Not much. They know how to play hockey by the time they get to the NHL.

I think the biggest factor is how well their skills fit.

Some players look great right away, others after a while, and some never.

In some cases, the willingness to take on a different role than they're used to is huge.

Most of them have been on 1st lines and top pairings until the NHL.

If they are not good enough for that, they need an attitude adjustment and for some the attitude won't matter. At every level some get weeded out.

 

[deathb4disco]

Lmao back to blaming Sather. 78 year old Sather. Too funny.

Yeah guys on the golf course collecting a check.

 

[mas0764]

Not much. They know how to play hockey by the time they get to the NHL.

I think the biggest factor is how well their skills fit.

Some players look great right away, others after a while, and some never.

In some cases, the willingness to take on a different role than they're used to is huge.

Most of them have been on 1st lines and top pairings until the NHL.

If they are not good enough for that, they need an attitude adjustment and for some the attitude won't matter. At every level some get weeded out.

I don't buy this.

 

[NYRKing]

We have a good record with zero offense. Feel pretty confident the offense will click soon like last year after 10 games.

How much do we miss that Zib and Buch chemistry?

 

[Chytilmania]

It's seems like Yzerman knows what he's doing... It's looking like he has created another environment where talented kids are allowed to excel and grow.

We need to send spies.

Marc Staal and our 2nd round pick are currently spying.

 

[Brief Candle]

This morning it hit me. You've got to point the finger at the obvious. I find it hard to believe that we just draft busts. Sure once in a while it happens, but at our rate? Regardless, I think part of the problem is buying into the system Gallant wants to play. Sadly his head will roll before any of our elder statesmen's heads would, and for once, I think Krieder is the only one of them that's actually doing what's asked of him.

 

[Pawnee Rangers]

I don’t think this is true. There is nothing teams can do to help develop its young players?

Patience and perspective. That's the best way to develop Laff and Kakko.

 

[mas0764]

As has been pointed out, all of our recent high picks have either busted or been slow to develop.

I do not believe that there is nothing we could have done differently and we just need to keep being patient.

 

[Mandar]

As has been pointed out, all of our recent high picks have either busted or been slow to develop.

I do not believe that there is nothing we could have done differently and we just need to keep being patient.

this is kinda obtuse.....

 

[Kravtsov420]

this is kinda obtuse.....

There’s also some truth to it though

 

[RangerDoggo]

No you’re not. We are. Stop whining.

 

[Leonardo87]

No you’re not. We are. Stop whining.

You did get shut out by the Ducks 4-0, so I feel ya. lol. Also dude, what's up with Slewfoot Slubban over there.

 

[Larrybiv]

It’s very concerning. You want to preach patience, especially when looking at the record and the personnel who haven’t gotten going, but aside from Bread, you start to wonder if there’s any guarantee any of them DO get going.

Fox is Fox. God tier.
Lindy is Lindy. He rides shotgun, does it well, no complaints.
Trouba and Miller have been fairly good too.
Kreider has been good to start, for sure happy to see him show up.
Bread has been getting warmer and warmer and is at point per game now.

Everyone else?

Mika’s head is so far up his ass it’s frightening. Strome is only a little bit less bad. Kakko continues to look good but it’s year 3 of no production now. #2OA is developing into Goodrow. Great. Chytil… time is almost up my dude. Lafreniere? What’s the excuse? Unanimous #1OA. Showing very little. Can’t blame covid schedule, lack of preseason, adjusting to NHL.

Goodrow, Blais, Rooney, Hunt, Reaves all are what they are. Whatever. They aren’t hurting us, but they’re not gonna put points on the board. They’ve been satisfying in their roles.

Fox, Panarin and Kreider cannot be the entirety of our offense. I will be very surprised if any of Chytil, Laf or KK reaches 40 points this season at this rate. That’s GOT to be concerning.

Also GG has us playing more of a team game but his lines give the impression he has no grasp of the players he’s working with. The combos suck.

Really like your post, and yeah it is very concerning. Nothing to make you walk on that ledge quite yet, but still concerning. If the likes of Laf, Chytil and Kakko don't start putting up some numbers, yeah we're probably not going to go very far. Not to say that we're counting on them to put up significant numbers but geez, wouldn't it be great if they did? Would just love to see those three getting significant PP time, game in and game out, just to build up some real good confidence. because I really think that that's all it is. You're not a scorer one day and then Zippo the next.

 

[Glen Sathers Cigar]

Gallant wants to play a hard forechecking game that is relentless, but these guys literally dump and don’t chase. The only ones I see that have been effective at it is the 4th line. The top 9, especially the top 6 need to be blown up. They need a guy with speed to really get in if they’re gonna continue to dump it. Otherwise, it’s the same as DQ hockey, dump and no chase. Literally handing the puck back to the opposition to try and not get ? Definition of insanity.

Perfectly put with this post.

What made Vegas so tough to play against was all 4 lines forechecked like crazy so playing them was like running into a buzzsaw that just won't let up. Constant forechecking from every line, constant puck pressure all over the ice, constantly forcing turnovers.

Our 4th line is playing like that right now but that's it. The 3rd line is trying but they're turning over the puck too much in the NZ and offensive blue line. That can be corrected. What worries me is the top 6. They're simply not even trying to forecheck and it honestly hinges on the centers on both lines IMO. Mika and Strome are both floating into the zone far too often, especially Mika. He's so big and fast that he is a nightmare on the forecheck when he's coming in at full tilt, but we haven't seen that at all. And I'm not saying they need to play like a Hagelin and just chase the puck all the time, but they're just floating into the zone waiting for someone else to dig the puck out.

You need your first man in coming into the zone with pressure and for his linemates to be right on his tail. Not all chasing the puck, but taking away lanes and applying overall pressure. When we have a hard time breaking out it's not only bc the first man in is pressuring our D, but because the F2 and F3 are also in the zone taking away the passing opportunities and clogging lanes. You can't just have one guy chasing the puck carrier with the other guys hanging high. Having strong structural support doesn't apply when we have the puck, it matters in forechecking situations as well.

Goodrow is the only player who is trying to forecheck in the top 6 right now and it doesn't work when your linemates are passively floating into the zone and there's multiple easy outs available to the D who retrieved the puck. This is forechecking 101 and it's insane that the players don't just organically adjust to doing this just based on their hockey sense.

 

[Tob]

Perfectly put with this post.

What made Vegas so tough to play against was all 4 lines forechecked like crazy so playing them was like running into a buzzsaw that just won't let up. Constant forechecking from every line, constant puck pressure all over the ice, constantly forcing turnovers.

Our 4th line is playing like that right now but that's it. The 3rd line is trying but they're turning over the puck too much in the NZ and offensive blue line. That can be corrected. What worries me is the top 6. They're simply not even trying to forecheck and it honestly hinges on the centers on both lines IMO. Mika and Strome are both floating into the zone far too often, especially Mika. He's so big and fast that he is a nightmare on the forecheck when he's coming in at full tilt, but we haven't seen that at all. And I'm not saying they need to play like a Hagelin and just chase the puck all the time, but they're just floating into the zone waiting for someone else to dig the puck out.

You need your first man in coming into the zone with pressure and for his linemates to be right on his tail. Not all chasing the puck, but taking away lanes and applying overall pressure. When we have a hard time breaking out it's not only bc the first man in is pressuring our D, but because the F2 and F3 are also in the zone taking away the passing opportunities and clogging lanes. You can't just have one guy chasing the puck carrier with the other guys hanging high. Having strong structural support doesn't apply when we have the puck, it matters in forechecking situations as well.

Goodrow is the only player who is trying to forecheck in the top 6 right now and it doesn't work when your linemates are passively floating into the zone and there's multiple easy outs available to the D who retrieved the puck. This is forechecking 101 and it's insane that the players don't just organically adjust to doing this just based on their hockey sense.

At some point something has to give in this conflict. Gallant is here to stay so are 93-10, plus the franchise prospects.

 

[Kravtsov420]

At some point something has to give in this conflict. Gallant is here to stay so are 93-10, plus the franchise prospects.

That’s what scares me. I think they’re going to end up trading our youth because they couldn’t develop them properly for forcheckers that can play with the high school click (Panarin, zib, strome) because they don’t want to do it. That infuriates me. It scares me that the status quo might have it their way again.

 

[Tob]

That’s what scares me. I think they’re going to end up trading our youth because they couldn’t develop them properly for forcheckers that can play with the high school click (Panarin, zib, strome) because they don’t want to do it. That infuriates me.

Of all I've seen from Drury, I think he has more back bone and balls than to do something like this. I hope.

 

[mas0764]

this is kinda obtuse.....

Sticking up for your boyfriend? How cute.

 

[Mandar]

Sticking up for your boyfriend? How cute.

Awwww….such a well thought out reply. A bit obtuse though…..

 

[Daves a mess]

They are going to booty clap our cheeks Friday

Count on being outshot 2-1. Get some sleep Igor.

 

[Kravtsov420]

Count on being outshot 2-1. Get some sleep Igor.

I always count on getting outshot 2-1. Galaxybrain, 3-1!

 

[aufheben]

Not much. They know how to play hockey by the time they get to the NHL.

I think the biggest factor is how well their skills fit.

Some players look great right away, others after a while, and some never.

This is how I see it. It’s obvious to the eyes whether or not a player is a threat on the ice. Draft picks are chances. How many teams have drafted 7 NHL players in 1 draft?

I knew in advance that we’d get nothing out of some players, it’s what happens. Besides, blaming anyone doesn’t change the present. Andersson, Kravtsov…and I’m not talking excellence, I’m talking about bottom-six players with room to grow.

This is why this team is carried by a handful of players, and why there’s so much fretting over said players.

 

[will1066]

Marc Staal and our 2nd round pick are currently spying.

Sending a guy with one eye to spy is completely a Gorton doing Gorton kind of thing.