Rumor: Things Not Left Unsaid: Flyers Rumors & Media Mentions
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Curufinwe
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When was Hextall "had" in a trade as Flyers GM?
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King's, Lombardi, followed that up with trading their 1st, Campbell (bos flipped to SJ for their first), C. Miller for old man Lucic with tons of talent left on the board.
Then Oilers outbid the King's on the Lucic UFA contract shortly after.
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Holmgren also had a good record on trades overall. From the bad Gagne move on things were rough, but prior to that? Did well. The trades themselves, at least. All of it as part of a grander picture, well.
I won't say anything at all if I have nothing positive to say.
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I don't know about that one. Almost any good move was canceled out by one that was bad, if it didn't end in a net-negative
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Nah. Would still do the trade again.
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Giving up Schenn was giving up a chunk of offense and grit. Since going to the Blues he's gone
481/144/228/372. Sure the Flyers got the picks that drew back Frost and Farabee but they together haven't had the impact that Schenn has had. Then there was a having to take on Lehtera. I'm not against moving out Schenn. He had worn out his welcome her because he wanted to play center ice which wasn't going to happen here since Couturier had worked past him on the depth chart behind Giroux and Schenn didn't want to be a winger. I think that Hextall could have obtained a better return than he did.
Those two are also about to enter their primes while Schenn exits his. Seems like a really important part of any intellectually honest evaluation of the trade.
And notwithstanding Torts' best efforts, hard to image that Frost and Farabee could each not receive in excess of a 1st in a trade return without even requiring eating a deal like Lettera''s. In other words, their collective value is greater than it was when they were the return for Schenn.
Really tough to make the argument that the Schenn trade was a value loss for the Flyers.
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Getting two firsts, and both being quality top-6 NHLers now entering their primes is as good as you are realistically going to get. Sure Lehtera sucks, but that was more of a Hakstol overuse problem than Hex. Most of the negativity around the deal is only there cause the Blues won the cup, something that wasn't going to happen in Philly, deal or no deal.
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So the stats that Schenn put up and the Cup that he won with the Blues have no value. However what Frost and Farabee may possibly do in the future are really what matters. Time for you to check out what an intellectually honest evaluation is.
As for stats, I accounted for them by crediting your opinion that Schenn's stats are better than Frost and Farabee's collective stats since the trade. But go on and tell me you're being the intellectually honest one by crediting Schenn for the Blues winning a cap and holding it against Frost and Farabee that the Flyers didn't. No other context important there.
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The main problem with the Schenn trade was that they needed to do more and actually commit to a rebuild. Like they did here, and completed in only a few weeks.
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No one seriously believes Schenn was the difference between the Hakstol-Vigneault Flyers winning a Cup between 2017-2020, right? Those were deeply flawed teams, roster and coaching. I definitely wouldn't have wanted him re-signed to that gross 8 year deal in 2020. And he certainly wouldn't have been a difference maker in the mostly shitty years to follow.
Schenn was a good add for the Blues, which is the definition of win-win. But he also was arguably the 8th most important Blues player on that Cup run. Schenn didn't suddenly take another sizable leap -- he's pretty much been the same player since he was a Flyer.
Getting two 1sts, with a prime Frost (*insert trade return*) + Farabee, for Schenn was a haul. Betting on Patrick to fill the usage void was sensible. But Hextall wanted to have his cake and eat it too with not trading Simmonds for a similar, if not bigger, haul to actually do a short-term rebuild. Fortunately, those indecisive days are over!
Schenn was a good add for the Blues, which is the definition of win-win. But he also was arguably the 8th most important Blues player on that Cup run. Schenn didn't suddenly take another sizable leap -- he's pretty much been the same player since he was a Flyer.
Getting two 1sts, with a prime Frost (*insert trade return*) + Farabee, for Schenn was a haul. Betting on Patrick to fill the usage void was sensible. But Hextall wanted to have his cake and eat it too with not trading Simmonds for a similar, if not bigger, haul to actually do a short-term rebuild. Fortunately, those indecisive days are over!
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It’s unlikely, but Farabee might be an Olympian in 2026 - he has been damn impressive this year
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Yeah trading him while keeping especially Simmonds made no sense. If they were only going to trade 1, then trade Simmonds.
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That was the problem. Hey, let's trade a 25-yr-old prime Schenn for two expected late 1sts and absorbing a $4M cap hit for two years.
While still trying to win with a late-prime Giroux and Voracek, and hanging on to Wayne Simmonds past his prime.
This was a complete waste of Giroux and Voracek and Simmonds. If you're trading a 25 yr old Schenn for late firsts and a cap burden, then why are you hanging on to Simmonds, trading for Filppula, extending Voracek. It was all so incongruous.
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Trading Schenn at that time was the correct thing to do. However as cited above, it needed to be done in concert with other moves and for a better return. DC#27 and, luckily what ended up to be #14, is not a haul for a player of that stature at that time. Then taking on the expensive contract of a terrible player.
It was not a good trade. AIR, Schenn was pushing to get moved out when the Flyers started to use him exclusively as a wing. Hextall probably was smart to move Schenn out before the situation became problematic.
It was not a good trade. AIR, Schenn was pushing to get moved out when the Flyers started to use him exclusively as a wing. Hextall probably was smart to move Schenn out before the situation became problematic.
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This is true but also need to point out that Boston retaining on Lucic was a big part of that deal. Also the fact edmonton "outbid" LA is fine given it was a terrible contract Edmonton gave out. The fact DL did not match i was perfect. The deal would have been a lot worse had LA re-signed Lucic to that deal.King's, Lombardi, followed that up with trading their 1st, Campbell (bos flipped to SJ for their first), C. Miller for old man Lucic with tons of talent left on the board.
Then Oilers outbid the King's on the Lucic UFA contract shortly after.
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