Rumor: Things Not Left Unsaid: Flyers Rumors & Media Mentions

[Chicken N Raffls]

Yup. Hell, I like Sanheim, but signing a good, but far from elite player to an 8 year deal with 4 years of trade projection is just flat out stupid.

Of course, when you’ve already signed the softest middle 6 C in the league to 7 x 7.14, a borderline 3rd pair D to 5 x 5 and a goon to a 4 year deal with 2 years of trade protection, it’s pretty much just par for the course.

Cuckles Fletchbag, the gift that keeps on giving.

The 4 year deal with a NTC for a face puncher has got to be the funniest thing I've seen this org do, and that's saying something.

 

[deadhead]

I wouldn't have signed Sanheim to an 8 year contract, not because I don't value the player but because I'm realistic about the timeline and coffers in need of filling.

For argument's sake, let's say a team wasn't realistic about its timeline. Let's say it believed it could turn things around in, oh say, 3 years? Sanheim would be 30 years old, with 5 years left on his deal. That's a pretty normal veteran age. He's objectively a #2/3 caliber defender now, he's a smooth skater and those archetypes generally age well. So, if your internal timeline is to be back in the playoff mix at that time, then what is the impetus to urgently move him? The Flyers defensive depth looks awful now, and there's no high end guys in the system, unless they grossly misevaluate their stock (wouldn't be a shocker). Now, if it was for a teardown rebuild, I get it. But that's not what's going on.

In 3 years, Ristolainen will be 32 years old and on the final year of his contract. He's objectively a fringe bottom pair guy. None of this is an issue, however. There are no reports about trading him. We know why, and it's not good process and contradictory logic galore.

If the league thought Sanheim was a #2/#3, Briere's phone wouldn't stop ringing from teams offering him a 1st rd pick to have a 27 year old D-man under a cost controlled contract with the cap rising next year. He'd be a freakin' bargain.

Obviously, they seem him as a #4, who might be worth $6M on his best season, but $3-5M most years.

 

[bauer]

It really depends on the player. A successful team like Tampa has done it routinely with non-star players. Killorn, Johnson, Gourde, McDonagh, Cirelli, Cernak, etc.

there's always exceptions. TB are a cup contending team. there's a difference between trying to keep together a champion caliber team and whatever the hell we're doing here. a team like the Flyers shouldn't be locking in players long term that don't help them win.

 

[landsbergfan]

there's always exceptions. TB are a cup contending team. there's a difference between trying to keep together a champion caliber team and whatever the hell we're doing here. a team like the Flyers shouldn't be locking in players long term that don't help them win.

Term keeps AAV down. There are lots of times where it is good. The bigger issue with the flyers is their unmatched ability to tank player value once players are signed with term

 

[TheKingPin]

Sanheims deal is fine. Make a trade if you can, but I think he will be tradable.

 

[chadateit]

Yeah I have to imagine it is going to be pretty devastating since it hasn't been released yet. Maybe I am wrong but I think I read that they've been done the report for a while now.

I hadn't really thought about it until now, but, what if the impact of the report is much worse than "Flyers can't find a taker for Hart in a trade?"
What if it's so bad that Hart is done in the NHL? Is someone in the org that worried about this outcome that we are now in the mode of stockpiling Goalie insurance?
Of course, see Chicago, and how they faced no consequences for that whole disgraceful mess, so it seems unlikely. But this is the flyers...

 

[dgaspari]

are there any nonqualified players or bought-out contracts that can provide insurance depth if Atkinson and Couturier do not have a healthy season?
e.g. Duchene, Sprong or Geekie

 

[renberg]

I suppose that if Hart is implicated in this mess that he’ll have more to worry about than his NHL career.
As far as the Flyers go, Ersson is ready to go backed up by Sandstrom or Petersen.

 

[TheKingPin]

Sounds like DET is out on Dabrincat. DET fans seem to prefer TK anyway. I could see it happening.

 

[bennysflyers16]

Fisto and his contract are the worst by a mile

 

[Rebels57]

I wouldn't have signed Sanheim to an 8 year contract, not because I don't value the player but because I'm realistic about the timeline and coffers in need of filling.

For argument's sake, let's say a team wasn't realistic about its timeline. Let's say it believed it could turn things around in, oh say, 3 years? Sanheim would be 30 years old, with 5 years left on his deal. That's a pretty normal veteran age. He's objectively a #2/3 caliber defender now, he's a smooth skater and those archetypes generally age well. So, if your internal timeline is to be back in the playoff mix at that time, then what is the impetus to urgently move him? The Flyers defensive depth looks awful now, and there's no high end guys in the system, unless they grossly misevaluate their stock (wouldn't be a shocker). Now, if it was for a teardown rebuild, I get it. But that's not what's going on.

In 3 years, Ristolainen will be 32 years old and on the final year of his contract. He's objectively a fringe bottom pair guy. None of this is an issue, however. There are no reports about trading him. We know why, and it's not good process and contradictory logic galore.

None of their trades have anything to do with a longterm vision. Its all about Emperor Tortellini.

 

[Danko]

I think you need to do more then Hayes/Provorov to jumpstart your rebuild.

 

[GKJ]

With the difficulty teams are having moving around money, the Provorov trade is starting to feel like a minor miracle.

 

[Rich Nixon]

With the difficulty teams are having moving around money, the Provorov trade is starting to feel like a minor miracle.

It's why you make big moves early. Always.

 

[FLYguy3911]

The Sanheim contract was dumb for the team because they never played him like they paid him (I said this before it was officially signed). 8 year deals are for all situations guys. They didn't use him on the PP and he was on PK2. Never was going to live up to a max term contract.

Now with Provorov and Deangelo (likely) out of the fold, there's an opportunity to bump up his usage and possibly dump him in the coming year(s). I doubt that'll happen. I expect the PP minutes to go to Risto and they'll wonder why they can't trade him.

 

[GKJ]

It's why you make big moves early. Always.

More like they struck with 2 desperate teams.

 

[FLYguy3911]

It's why you make big moves early. Always.

Chuck Fletcher likes this.

I'll miss that guy having all of his offseason moves done by 1 PM on July 1st.

 

[deadhead]

CF could have signed Duchene instead of Hayes. Duchene just bought out with 4 years left on his deal, he can score but is a defensive liability at 32, now who does that sound like?

Face it, Hayes and TDA were dumped b/c every player of that type is getting dumped this offseason. Johansen, Hall, Wheeler, et al.
At least Briere didn't have to give up assets to dump these contracts!

 

[bauer]

I think you need to do more then Hayes/Provorov to jumpstart your rebuild.

A LOT more.

 

[TheKingPin]

I feel better about the Hayes deal now that we have seen moves before and after. But they still should have just kept him to retain on TK and maybe a go between to pick up a 2nd.

 

[ponder719]

CF could have signed Duchene instead of Hayes. Duchene just bought out with 4 years left on his deal, he can score but is a defensive liability at 32, now who does that sound like?

Face it, Hayes and TDA were dumped b/c every player of that type is getting dumped this offseason. Johansen, Hall, Wheeler, et al.
At least Briere didn't have to give up assets to dump these contracts!

Duchene might still be here, provided he and Torts had a functional-enough relationship. He got bought out because Nashville is doing scorched-earth right. We’re apparently not.

 

[GKJ]

Think they’re cutting Duchene because they don’t particularly like him.

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

Think they’re cutting Duchene because they don’t particularly like him.

And he drank too much vodka last night.

 

[GKJ]

And he drank too much vodka last night.

Did he show his ass on Instagram or something?

 

[renberg]

My call on Hayes is that he’s cooked. He never was the fastest guy on the ice and the injuries have taken their toll. Tortorella’s assessment that he no longer can handle center ice is correct. Since Hayes doesn’t care to play wing, there’s a problem.
Now it’s St. Louis’ mess now not the Flyers. It’s going to be more of the downhill decline for Hayes. JMO but the talking heads who feel that Briere got fleeced on this deal are going to be eating crow over the next three seasons.