Rumor: Things Not Left Unsaid: Flyers Rumors & Media Mentions

[deadhead]

The reporting has been consistent since the day Briere took over that he’s wanted to move up in the draft, needed capital to do it, and is willing to trade NHL players to do it.

But what's the source? Probably other organizations that have been asked about the cost of moving up.
And he's probably not the only GM to make those phone calls, there are rumors about other teams trying to move up.

Me thinks this is simply the usual pre-draft information gathering, you don't wait until 15 minutes are left on the clock to make decisions, you do your homework pre-draft, have some hand shake agreements (if blah blah would you be interested . . . ).

Maybe Briere is a stone cold idiot, but so far there's no evidence to that effect.

 

[BrindamoursNose]

Bro I don't even care. These trade up scenarios are so silly.

- Either MTL/ARI accepts a meager bonus to swap picks so we can take Mitchkov
- Or we just sit on 7 and draft Benson.

Both sound amazing to me.

 

[Lindberg]

You really believe they're telling the world what they intend to do?
Or is this just the usual pre-draft misinformation?
I mean who would Briere tell if trading up was his intent? His whole staff so they can leak it ?

More likely, Briere has talked to GMs about the cost of moving up, which he should do, always gather information about your potential options.
And that, combined with interviewing Michkov, becomes "the Flyers intend to trade up to get Michkov."

I agree slightly. Maybe the Flyers do prize Michkov but not at the price the Capitals would have to pay to jump up. OV isn't going to be around in a few years and if Michkov is the player people think he is, it'll keep the Capitals as a middle of the road team for quite some time.

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

Absolutely wild to believe that a guy who openly blabbered the organization’s draft strategy in the past and is currently embroiled in a bunch of leaks would have loose lips.

Anyone that believes that is a conspiracy theorist.

 

[Tarpongg]

I love that Briere would be willing to take Michkov, and even trade up for him. I hate that the world now knows this.

This is amateur hour stuff. Leaked trade details, busted trades, leaked draft intentions. Make it stop.

 

[Columbus Hockey Dad]

Absolutely wild to believe that a guy who openly blabbered the organization’s draft strategy in the past and is currently embroiled in a bunch of leaks would have loose lips.

Anyone that believes that is a conspiracy theorist.

I absolutely believe they are trying to move up. I am not sold that Michkov is the target if they are...

 

[GKJ]

But what's the source? Probably other organizations that have been asked about the cost of moving up.
And he's probably not the only GM to make those phone calls, there are rumors about other teams trying to move up.

Me thinks this is simply the usual pre-draft information gathering, you don't wait until 15 minutes are left on the clock to make decisions, you do your homework pre-draft, have some hand shake agreements (if blah blah would you be interested . . . ).

Maybe Briere is a stone cold idiot, but so far there's no evidence to that effect.

SanFilippo has been on this for as long as exactly what I said. Briere has wanted to move up in the draft since the day he got the job. He didn’t know that he would but he had it as an objective, not as a mild curiosity

 

[deadhead]

I love that Briere would be willing to take Michkov, and even trade up for him. I hate that the world now knows this.

This is amateur hour stuff. Leaked trade details, busted trades, leaked draft intentions. Make it stop.

Most of the time details leak out, but note how often those rumors are incomplete or inaccurate - because the leakers tend to be third parties who aren't privy to the details of negotiations, players, player agents, some intern who overheard something and wants to impress friends with insider status and so on. A lot is just people piecing things together, Briere talks to various teams about various players, this gets leaked by third parties talking over drinks, "reporter" knows that certain players have been mentioned, then pieces together hypothetical trades. Calls people for confirmation, gets denials, but hits 'pay dirt" once in a while, maybe someone he knows is being coy, etc.

Go read the various websites, and see how many trades from other teams are mentioned, with various details, for example, Dubois to LA.

SanFilippo has been on this for as long as exactly what I said. Briere has wanted to move up in the draft since the day he got the job. He didn’t know that he would but he had it as an objective, not as a mild curiosity

If he doesn't explore that possibility, he's negligent. Doesn't mean a suitable deal will ever materialize.
He's also talked about moving DOWN in the draft, depending how the board unfolds.
That's what he's supposed to do pre-draft. Find the probably cost of various options before he walks into the draft room.

 

[Curufinwe]

Seems kind of obvious that if Hayes is being moved on his own now, and a cap dump-ish contract like Krug isn't coming back, that the Flyers would have to retain more on Hayes. Most likely the max of 50%.

 

[BackToTheBrierePatch]

If Danny B. does this I would be pissed. To much BS involved here. You do not see him until the 26/27 season and who knows what russia will be up to by then? This team needs a lot of talent, and moving top picks for a long shot at this time is foolish

And what if Cutter stays in school for 3 more years. You have a chance to draft a stud you do it. If we have to wait 2 or 3 years who cares?

 

[GKJ]

Most of the time details leak out, but note how often those rumors are incomplete or inaccurate - because the leakers tend to be third parties who aren't privy to the details of negotiations, players, player agents, some intern who overheard something and wants to impress friends with insider status and so on. A lot is just people piecing things together, Briere talks to various teams about various players, this gets leaked by third parties talking over drinks, "reporter" knows that certain players have been mentioned, then pieces together hypothetical trades. Calls people for confirmation, gets denials, but hits 'pay dirt" once in a while, maybe someone he knows is being coy, etc.

Go read the various websites, and see how many trades from other teams are mentioned, with various details, for example, Dubois to LA.


If he doesn't explore that possibility, he's negligent. Doesn't mean a suitable deal will ever materialize.
He's also talked about moving DOWN in the draft, depending how the board unfolds.
That's what he's supposed to do pre-draft. Find the probably cost of various options before he walks into the draft room.

That’s not at all the same. Briere has wanted to move up in the draft. That’s been the reporting. Not poking around to see what it would take. Not due diligence. He wants to move up and wants a specific player. And the smoke is now clearly pointing toward Michkov, which is what we didn’t know.

 

[bauer]

Seems kind of obvious that if Hayes is being moved on his own now, and a cap dump-ish contract like Krug isn't coming back, that the Flyers would have to retain more on Hayes. Most likely the max of 50%.

Hayes @ 3.5m should fetch a 2nd or 3rd. And I’d be totally fine with that.

 

[wankstifier]

This wouldn't even be an issue now if the Flyers committed to tanking last season

Hayes @ 3.5m should fetch a 2nd or 3rd. And I’d be totally fine with that.

He should probably get a late 1st if that Laughton rumor is true

 

[Fight4yourRight]

People are really overvaluing Hayes, even at 50%.

 

[Breeze 44]

That’s not at all the same. Briere has wanted to move up in the draft. That’s been the reporting. Not poking around to see what it would take. Not due diligence. He wants to move up and wants a specific player. And the smoke is now clearly pointing toward Michkov, which is what we didn’t know.

Is this the same "reporting" that gets ripped in here on a daily bases... that reporting? Now we pick and choose what reporting is absolute
and what is just throwing crap at the wall to see what sticks.

 

[Columbus Hockey Dad]

People are really overvaluing Hayes, even at 50%.

Yep. I think they get a 7th round pick...lol.

 

[Curufinwe]

He should probably get a late 1st if that Laughton rumor is true

Laughton is better than Hayes.

Hayes is similar to Johansen, who returned nothing.

That’s not at all the same. Briere has wanted to move up in the draft. That’s been the reporting. Not poking around to see what it would take. Not due diligence. He wants to move up and wants a specific player. And the smoke is now clearly pointing toward Michkov, which is what we didn’t know.

Seems like a week ago we were all worried they were going to take Leonard or Reinbacher.

 

[Flyerfan13]

Hayes @ 3.5m should fetch a 2nd or 3rd. And I’d be totally fine with that.

The blues have picks 10,25,29 no 2nd rounders

 

[bauer]

The blues have picks 10,25,29 no 2nd rounders

I’d be happy with a 3rd in that case.

 

[Curufinwe]

The blues have picks 10,25,29 no 2nd rounders

My expectation is something like:

Hayes at $3,571,428.57 for the lower of the Blues two 2024 3rd rounders.

 

[GKJ]

Is this the same "reporting" that gets ripped in here on a daily bases... that reporting? Now we pick and choose what reporting is absolute
and what is just throwing crap at the wall to see what sticks.

All that stuff depends on who you trust and believe. ASF said this stuff on the podcast, multiple times I believe, and it’s something they’re clearly trying to make happen. This is not weirdo TFP or whoever tweeting stuff of sixth-hand information and demanding credit for a story they don’t have, this is stuff that was said out loud and sounded stupid to be willing to put your name on but is clearly valid information.

 

[Beef Invictus]

You really believe they're telling the world what they intend to do?
Or is this just the usual pre-draft misinformation?
I mean who would Briere tell if trading up was his intent? His whole staff so they can leak it ?

More likely, Briere has talked to GMs about the cost of moving up, which he should do, always gather information about your potential options.
And that, combined with interviewing Michkov, becomes "the Flyers intend to trade up to get Michkov."

They've told the world what they plan to do every step of the way for years.

 

[pit]

I think teams would want more this year than moving up for Luke Schenn.
One in 3? decades is a very small sample.

I will agree that this happens so infrequently that there is little precedent and there is no marker for value if it does.

I would, however, be remiss if I did not point out that we can count my namesake, Joni Pitkanen, as another trade into the top 5 when the Flyers packaged two seconds and Ruslan Fedotenko to the Lightning to get #4 in the 2002 draft.

Long live Joni!

Also, Yashin for #2 overall in 2001, Kevin Weekes (!) for #5 overall in 2000, Daniel Sedin (#4 and then #2) in 1999, so you're better off saying last two decades for only one trade. Around the turn of the century, trades into the top five seem commonplace.

 

[Curufinwe]

"I mean who would Briere tell if trading up was his intent?"

The teams he is trying to trade up with. They kind of need to know.

 

[Tripod]

I hate that teams can't keep important info, to themselves.