Rumor: Things Not Left Unsaid 3 - Flyers Rumors and Media Mentions: Never Ending Circles

[FlyerNutter]

Who have they moved in the last 5 years that’s at least halfway worth a damn.

For all their talk of aggression, they are cowards in making deals. I get it to a point, FA signings or trades like the proposed Sanheim deal expose a fatal flaw in pro scouting.

Yet we’ve got what. Hayes? Provorov? Ghost? Giroux?

For a team that shudders at the thought of tanking for a few years, they are arguably worse when it comes to the trade market.

 

[deadhead]

Flyers way....not allowed to sell high on a guy. Have to wait until they tank his value publicly first

The whole point is Briere shouldn't make a trade if it's a lowball.
Not just Risto, but Frost and anyone else on the roster.
If there's no urgency, don't make a deal just to make a deal.

There is option value in holding onto a player b/c a lowball offer becomes the option cost (rejecting a 5th or 6th b/c the player might bounce back and be worth a 2nd or 3rd, even if the odds are long).

The one time you take a lowball is at the TDL with a pending UFA, something is better than nothing.

 

[freakydallas13]

Briere is in no rush to dump Risto.

The evidence shows Briere has zero patience as a GM, and that he sprints to finish deals at the earliest opportunity.

 

[freakydallas13]

It's hard to move contracts at the TDL. Which is why teams like rentals, if it doesn't work, move on.

In the summer, a 2 year deal is a great fit for a lot of teams, long enough it's more than a rental, short enough not to be an albatross. Buys time for a prospect to develop.

Risto will have value, teams love big RHDs.

When it came to trading Cutter, you stick your head in the sand and tell us how no other deals were out there because we didn't hear rumours of them.

But trading Risto? Easy. Options are plentiful and returns are guaranteed to be amazing, despite the fact we also have zero rumours about trading him for anything at all, never mind trading him for a good return.

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

The whole point is Briere shouldn't make a trade if it's a lowball.
Not just Risto, but Frost and anyone else on the roster.
If there's no urgency, don't make a deal just to make a deal.

There is option value in holding onto a player b/c a lowball offer becomes the option cost (rejecting a 5th or 6th b/c the player might bounce back and be worth a 2nd or 3rd, even if the odds are long).

The one time you take a lowball is at the TDL with a pending UFA, something is better than nothing.

Well this is ironic given numerous conversations over the last year or so.

 

[freakydallas13]

The whole point is Briere shouldn't make a trade if it's a lowball.
If there's no urgency, don't make a deal just to make a deal.

Lol. Lmao even.

Cutter trade
Hayes buyout
TDA buyout
Resigning Hathaway

All examples of Briere doing the opposite of what you are describing.

 

[renberg]

Maybe other teams saw Cutter as what he is right now for Anaheim and Drysdale was the best offer that hit the table. He certainly is no center ice man. Now he's finding out that defense in the show is a heck of a lot more sticky than the stuff he saw in college so the wide open shots aren't there any more. Then the goalies are not cream puffs and can make saves. If he's going to make it, he's going to have to show that he can grind a bit in the dirty spaces in the rink. We don't know if he has the personality to be that type of player.

 

[blackjackmulligan]

Maybe other teams saw Cutter as what he is right now for Anaheim and Drysdale was the best offer that hit the table. He certainly is no center ice man. Now he's finding out that defense in the show is a heck of a lot more sticky than the stuff he saw in college so the wide open shots aren't there any more. Then the goalies are not cream puffs and can make saves. If he's going to make it, he's going to have to show that he can grind a bit in the dirty spaces in the rink. We don't know if he has the personality to be that type of player.

What he is right now is a young man what a dozen or so games into his career. Guess he is a bust.

 

[TCTC]

Maybe other teams saw Cutter as what he is right now for Anaheim and Drysdale was the best offer that hit the table. He certainly is no center ice man. Now he's finding out that defense in the show is a heck of a lot more sticky than the stuff he saw in college so the wide open shots aren't there any more. Then the goalies are not cream puffs and can make saves. If he's going to make it, he's going to have to show that he can grind a bit in the dirty spaces in the rink. We don't know if he has the personality to be that type of player.

A guy who says of himself that he has the "clutch gene" doesn't come across as the type of person who's willing to put in the necessary work.
He'll probably be traded again at some point when his coach and GM lose patience with him. He definitely seems like the played for 5 teams in 5 years kind of player.

 

[Magua]

Cutter Gauthier was assuredly of the most valuable ELCs on the market in recent years, coming off a top 5 selection and strong college seasons and a good WJC. He's a 6'2 pure shooter, with possible wing/center versatility, who is one of the faster players already in the league.

That's the sell.

NHL teams go gaga over that profile. Just ask the Flyers. Gauthier's list was 18-20 teams. The teams not on that list would've been interested too. What could you pick apart about his game? Doesn't matter. You only need 2 of those teams to think he's a 40 goal superstar. We don't have to re-write history and say, "Well, actually, he wasn't coveted." There's no reason to absolve the Flyers for royally f***ing up the trade. Rutger McGroarty got a better value return months later.

 

[JojoTheWhale]

I would bet a very large amount of money that smart teams who did not rate Gauthier as highly as some others absolutely would have made real offers. I don’t know why we’re even having this discussion when he had 0 days of his ELC used. If you don’t understand how that changes the conversation, I would call it willful ignorance at this point.

 

[freakydallas13]

Cutter Gauthier was assuredly of the most valuable ELCs on the market in recent years, coming off a top 5 selection and strong college seasons and a good WJC. He's a 6'2 pure shooter, with possible wing/center versatility, who is one of the faster players already in the league.

That's the sell.

NHL teams go gaga over that profile. Just ask the Flyers. Gauthier's list was 18-20 teams. The teams not on that list would've been interested too. What could you pick apart about his game? Doesn't matter. You only need 2 of those teams to think he's a 40 goal superstar. We don't have to re-write history and say, "Well, actually, he wasn't coveted." There's no reason to absolve the Flyers for royally f***ing up the trade. Rutger McGroarty got a better value return months later.

Thank you, this revisionist history take that Cutter wasn't worth a damn when they traded him stuff needs to stop. His value would have been seen as incredibly high across the league.

 

[Magua]

Thank you, this revisionist history take that Cutter wasn't worth a damn when they traded him stuff needs to stop. His value would have been seen as incredibly high across the league.

We would probably lose our minds if we tapped Briere's phone and knew all the offers. I'm confident in that -- I'd wager the Ducks alone presented packages we'd prefer. They coveted Drysdale and targeted him specifically for several lame superficial reasons (comparable draft status, handedness, plugging "OFD" hole, Bob Murray's sagaciousness, and current NHL timeline). They didn't get stuck with him; they paid top dollar for him.

 

[Fight4yourRight]

I’ll say it again. Daniel Briere is a f***ing idiot. This shouldn’t get lost in all of this. He’s a complete and utter clown with no competencies to be in the position he is in. The amount of times you hear that Briere and Jones know what they are doing from deferential third party media outlets is sickening. I can’t wait for them to finally be unmasked.

 

[LegionOfDoom91]

They likely targeted a young NHL player. As incompetent NHL front offices generally are they at least don’t particularly trade young NHL players whose arrow are pointing upwards as that’s cheap(er) labor.

I doubt they viewed it as a risky proposition but probably a safe one with a player having NHL games played to that point.

 

[Beef Invictus]

A guy who says of himself that he has the "clutch gene" doesn't come across as the type of person who's willing to put in the necessary work.
He'll probably be traded again at some point when his coach and GM lose patience with him. He definitely seems like the played for 5 teams in 5 years kind of player.

I have a vague memory of calling out that quote as a red flag. Just expects things to happen magically for him after a lifetime of physically overwhelming low level goalies and defenses.

 

[GKJ]

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[Lord Defect]

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So he’s a sore loser? Or does table tennis have a much more of an impact on Russia?

 

[trostol]

They are calling that a scrap lol

 

[Magua]

Or does table tennis have a much more of an impact on Russia?

Tsar Nicholas II abdicated after losing a table tennis match to Lenin.

 

[CerpinTaxt]

Tsar Nicholas II abdicated after losing a table tennis match to Lenin.

Trotsky then beat Stalin in the next game. Stalin didn't forget

 

[FLYguy3911]

I'm going to guess it wasn't Fedotov that beat him.

 

[Rich Nixon]

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Wasn't there some noise that he went off on Torts for not having him out there on the last PP during the 3-0 loss to Boston?

 

[Flyerfan4life]

Wasn't there some noise that he went off on Torts for not having him out there on the last PP during the 3-0 loss to Boston?

i think that fits how Torts would deal with it

 

[WolfOfBroadStreet14]

No wonder Zamula isn’t his interpreter anymore