Rumor: Things Not Left Unsaid 3 - Flyers Rumors and Media Mentions: Never Ending Circles

[freakydallas13]

Now the problem with Cates at center is he lacks playmaking skills, so he kills a line offensively

That sounds like a player every NHL team wants on their second line to me.

 

[FlyerNutter]

Cates is nothing but a vanilla cone.

Only the Flyers pretend he’s something more.

Andreas Nodl memories return.

 

[BiggE]

Cates is nothing but a vanilla cone.

Only the Flyers pretend he’s something more.

Andreas Nodl memories return.

No team corners the market on generic 4th line forwards like the Philadelphia Flyers.

 

[LegionOfDoom91]

We have two plus years worth of data that suggests Cates is a porous offensive player both in underlying impacts & actual results. He’s 25-26 years old now & doesn’t have a previous track record of being some noteworthy offensive producer. So probably safe to say it what it is on that front.

He’s a fine depth player ultimately even with that said & as of now he’s cheap labor on his current deal (he should probably still be cheap the next one too).

 

[blackjackmulligan]

Cates is nothing but a vanilla cone.

Only the Flyers pretend he’s something more.

Andreas Nodl memories return.

Nodl blew, Cates has a role.

We have two plus years worth of data that suggests Cates is a porous offensive player both in underlying impacts & actual results. He’s 25-26 years old now & doesn’t have a previous track record of being some noteworthy offensive producer. So probably safe to say it what it is on that front.

He’s a fine depth player ultimately even with that said & as of now he’s cheap labor on his current deal (he should probably still be cheap the next one too).

Laughton 5 year special for 3 per?

 

[Beef Invictus]

How much you score depends on your usage, and who you play with.

Here's who Cates played with last year:
Hathaway 264
Poehling 246
Farabee 153
Brink 134

Put him on a top 6 line with say Frost and TK or Couts and Michkov and he'll score a lot more.
Not because he'd suddenly become a great offensive player, but b/c he'd do the dirty work to set up better offensive players - we saw that with Lindblom before he got cancer.

Now the problem with Cates at center is he lacks playmaking skills, so he kills a line offensively, at LW, that's not his responsibility. So he can center a shutdown line with a lead in the 3rd period, but not someone you want in the role on a regular basis.

With Laughton, he has decent offensive skills but can't handle the defensive responsibilities of center.

He won't. They tried the "make him 2C" thing and he dragged the line down. The offense isn't there.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Cates fits into my theme of "won't be of utility when Michkov is 25 so trade him for things that might be."

And if the Flyers don't think that they can manage to find and develop another Cates so they need to hold onto him, then that thoroughly shoots down the notion that they don't have huge issues with drafting/scouting/development. Hell, that circles back around to strafe the flaming wreckage of the notion for good measure.

Edit: or if they think they have to hold on to these players because they think they're contending right now, which they probably do think, everyone currently employed by the team should be immediately fired

 

[Deadpool8812]

Cates fits into my theme of "won't be of utility when Michkov is 25 so trade him for things that might be."

And if the Flyers don't think that they can manage to find and develop another Cates so they need to hold onto him, then that thoroughly shoots down the notion that they don't have huge issues with drafting/scouting/development. Hell, that circles back around to strafe the flaming wreckage of the notion for good measure.

Edit: or if they think they have to hold on to these players because they think they're contending right now, which they probably do think, everyone currently employed by the team should be immediately fired

Cates will be the new Laughton, where they will hold onto him for too long for culture reasons, tank his value, and then trade him for a 4th rounder when it's too late to get good value for him

 

[BiggE]

Cates will be the new Laughton, where they will hold onto him for too long for culture reasons, tank his value, and then trade him for a 4th rounder when it's too late to get good value for him

We’ll be lucky if they go on to trade Laughton for a 4th. Knowing the idiots who run the Flyers, I fully expect them to extend Laughton for 3 or 4 more years.

 

[pit]

I have to object to quite a bit of the framing around Foerster. I keep seeing him mentioned as a defensive archetype and/or specifically pointing to his Shot as a super meaningful data point. Those both miss the foerster for the trees.

I was waiting for @BernieParent to step in and fix that for you but since he didn't I will have to.

 

[ponder719]

Man, sure would be nice to have the cap space available to take on a bad contract for assets for a year...

 

[freakydallas13]

Man, sure would be nice to have the cap space available to take on a bad contract for assets for a year...

I'm glad Briere took on bad contracts to get more value in trades, so "beggars shouldn't be choosers" and all.

But I still think Briere didn't get enough value for the contracts he took back. Especially Peterson, if Kolosov doesn't come back you can chalk that up as one of the reasons he left.

 

[SolidSnakeUS]

Man, sure would be nice to have the cap space available to take on a bad contract for assets for a year...

If Briere got all he learned from Chuck, making 17 calls is all you need to think you have a good team.

 

[ponder719]

I'm glad Briere took on bad contracts to get more value in trades, so "beggars shouldn't be choosers" and all.

But I still think Briere didn't get enough value for the contracts he took back. Especially Peterson, if Kolosov doesn't come back you can chalk that up as one of the reasons he left.

My bigger complaint here isn't the bad contracts he took back in the deals he did make; it's the deals he didn't make to move additional salary off the roster. Ceci makes only slightly more than Laughton; move Laughton for picks and we could potentially have been the beneficiary there instead. Trade Konecny, and we have a haul coming in and can still add a random one year bad contract on top.

It's just poor asset management all the way down.

 

[usahockey22flyers]

Danny B an hour on Nasty Knuckles. Should be a good one

 

[BackToTheBrierePatch]

We’ll be lucky if they go on to trade Laughton for a 4th. Knowing the idiots who run the Flyers, I fully expect them to extend Laughton for 3 or 4 more years.

The Flyers will extend Laughton because Torts loves him. Several months later Torts will be fired and the new coach will healthy scratch Laughton for several weeks. Laughton will ask for a trade and the Flyers will send him to Utah along with a second round pick for future considerations

 

[renberg]

But I still think Briere didn't get enough value for the contracts he took back. Especially Peterson, if Kolosov doesn't come back you can chalk that up as one of the reasons he left.

IMO, and I may be wrong, but I'd put this one on Lappy more than Briere. He blew it with the way that he chose to deal with a talented goalie during a weak drive to make the POs in the AHL. For that alone, he should be canned. If there's an issue with Briere here, it should be for allowing Laperierre to be involved at LHV.

 

[freakydallas13]

IMO, and I may be wrong, but I'd put this one on Lappy more than Briere. He blew it with the way that he chose to deal with a talented goalie during a weak drive to make the POs in the AHL. For that alone, he should be canned. If there's an issue with Briere here, it should be for allowing Laperierre to be involved at LHV.

You're right that Lappy should take a lot of the blame here, but Briere also just resigned Lappy so it's not like you can really absolve Briere in any way.

 

[Hanover Fist]

Danny B an hour on Nasty Knuckles. Should be a good one

He confirmed Kosolov has not returned any phone calls

 

[ponder719]

He confirmed Kosolov has not returned any phone calls

Has he tried making 17 of them?

 

[Hanover Fist]

He did say he could not just pick up the phone and call him because Kosolov doesnt speak English.

 

[trostol]

Has he tried making 17 of them?

 

[MrGuyPerson]

I think the Flyers should make a play for Askarov. Risky? Maybe... but I'd feel a lot better about the trajectory of the rebuild if they add another prospect with an elite ceiling to the flyers org. Could he bust? Sure, but I doubt he will. Also, adding young Blue Chip prospects with elite Ceilings is what rebuilding is all about. Set up the future.

I suppose it depends on the ask, but if it can be done do it

 

[blackjackmulligan]

I think the Flyers should make a play for Askarov. Risky? Maybe... but I'd feel a lot better about the trajectory of the rebuild if they add another prospect with an elite ceiling to the flyers org. Could he bust? Sure, but I doubt he will. Also, adding young Blue Chip prospects with elite Ceilings is what rebuilding is all about. Set up the future.

I suppose it depends on the ask, but if it can be done do it

Flyers are not rebuilding. Apparently Nashville is asking for a lot. If he is as good as people think he will stunt the rebuild. Is now the best time to acquire a blue chip NHL ready goalie prospect?

Though they are not rebuilding so it makes sense.

 

[Cody Webster]

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