Rumor: Things Not Left Unsaid 2, More Flyers Rumors & Media Mentions: Say It Like You Mean It

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GKJ

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One idea floated around by Shark’s fans was taking on the whole contract and the Flyer’s 10th for the Shark’s 14th. San Jose gets an over priced veteran that can help mentor and Philly gets cap full space for whatever. Seems reasonable but Atkinson saying no would obviously trash the thing. Also people hate trading down on this board so there is that as well.
No chance unless there’s a third team to let us move up.
 

wankstifier

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They could probably trade Cates, Hathaway, and Laughton--around $8MM. They could also bury Deslauriers' contract to save another $1.25MM.
 

JojoTheWhale

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I don't understand why a team that isn't close to contending would prolong cap commitments to players on expiring contracts. Just let that shit expire. If they're serious about turning things around, it'd be better to have a clean slate for 2025.

I trust you to take this in the spirit it was meant. I’m looking for the corner cases of what common sense could be missing.

Does the coach have a major say in roster construction? If so…well, the first priority of a GM is to keep their job.
 

mr figgles

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He’s not going to be moved with a pick attached.

And no one’s trading for him at the deadline either since he’s cooked.

No one is trading for him without a pick attached, and the Flyers want that cap flexibility, so…
 

GKJ

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No one is trading for him without a pick attached, and the Flyers want that cap flexibility, so…
Then you buy him out.

If we’re not netting a 4th round pick in value to retain half on him, there’s no reason to trade him. The retention slot has value too, and we’re already wasting one on Kevin Hayes, who I’m not so sure won’t be bought out himself. They spent a year weaponizing their cap space, there’s no reason to move heaven and earth to get more of it, this was their stated plan.
 

Curufinwe

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If Hayes is bought out by the Blues, he will take up a retention slot on the Flyers cap for four years, instead of the current two.

DEAD CAP​

RETAINED SALARY (1)2024-252025-262026-272027-282028-292029-30
Hayes, Kevin$3,571,428$3,571,428
TOTAL$3,571,428$3,571,428


Cap Hit Calculations​

SEASONINITIAL BASE SALARYINITIAL CAP HITSIGNING BONUSBUYOUT COSTPOST-BUYOUT EARNINGSSAVINGSCAP HIT (
Logo of the St. Louis Blues
STL)
CAP HIT (
Logo of the Philadelphia Flyers
PHI)
2024-25$4,000,000$7,142,857$1,250,000$1,333,333$2,583,333$2,666,667$2,238,095$2,238,095
2025-26$4,000,000$7,142,857$1,250,000$1,333,333$2,583,333$2,666,667$2,238,095$2,238,095
2026-27$0$0$0$1,333,333$1,333,333-$1,333,333$666,667$666,666
2027-28$0$0$0$1,333,333$1,333,333-$1,333,333$666,667$666,666
 

Beef Invictus

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They just can't help themselves and pass on the huge marketing opportunity that will be having flyers celebrate his 1000th nhl game. After all Briere himself probably still blames therrien because didn't get to reach this epic milestone.

Them doing another Yandle would be further proof everything is the same and nobody has changed
 
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Sparkleton

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I love the shitting on people while getting the pick details wrong bit. High art.

For the record, I’m more than fine trading down as long as there isn’t a player available who shouldn’t be there (Buium, Parekh, etc). I just want picks back, not to save cap space for one year when they don’t need it. FWIW taking on almost 6MM of Atkinson should get San Jose more than 14 -> 12. He’s useless. But trades have to make sense for both sides, so unless the Flyers are trying to contend immediately, the concept is a non-starter. Of course they might be that incompetent!

Heh, you got me. Was typing on my phone from memory. I corrected the comment to reflect the pick value.

If you don’t think the Flyers are going to use the cap space this Summer then yeah it’s a non-starter. For the Sharks they do need some vets to insulate the rookies so it’s not as bad value for them as it looks on paper. I can see their interest and I can also see Cam’s disinterest.

I wasn’t intentionally ‘shitting’ on anyone though. I meant it more as a generality about hfboards placing a high value on picks.
 
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zizbuka

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I haven’t seen anything suggesting they’re going to buy out Petersen. They could, maybe should, but people seem to think they’re content leaving his number sit. Maybe he chips a toenail and they can LTIR him.

Why do we have a 'buried penalty' on Petersen?
 

Adam Warlock

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Cams got 1 year left...I dont see the harm in just riding him out. He can be the token "vet character guy" instead of them signing an equally as bad player to a 3 year deal in free agency to fill that bs role.

And hey...maybe he has a decent seasom and can be traded at the tdl.
 

DrinkFightFlyers

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Cams got 1 year left...I dont see the harm in just riding him out. He can be the token "vet character guy" instead of them signing an equally as bad player to a 3 year deal in free agency to fill that bs role.

And hey...maybe he has a decent seasom and can be traded at the tdl.
I think this is the best case scenario but due to the cap, someone is being moved and/or bought out. Could be Atkinson. Could be someone else.
 
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GKJ

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Why do we have a 'buried penalty' on Petersen?
He was/will be in the minors and the cap relief for that is only slightly over $1m

Cams got 1 year left...I dont see the harm in just riding him out. He can be the token "vet character guy" instead of them signing an equally as bad player to a 3 year deal in free agency to fill that bs role.

And hey...maybe he has a decent seasom and can be traded at the tdl.
Because he's not going to play, and he wants to play.
 

mr figgles

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Cams got 1 year left...I dont see the harm in just riding him out. He can be the token "vet character guy" instead of them signing an equally as bad player to a 3 year deal in free agency to fill that bs role.

And hey...maybe he has a decent seasom and can be traded at the tdl.

There‘s no room for him on the roster, and the team probably wants some space to do something stupid.
 
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